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Today’s guest is Andy Pace, author, founder, advocate, and health expert. During this episode, Andy shares his wealth of knowledge after spending decades in the home health industry. From construction practices to common errors, he touches on a wide range of topics that can be used to create a safer and healthier indoor environment.

Andy Pace is a nationally recognized expert on green and healthy building products. As founder of the oldest healthy building supply company in the United States, Andrew has become one of the single most helpful and educational experts dealing with the day-to-day concerns of those individuals who suffer from allergies, asthma, and chemical sensitivities. As the leading expert on the topic of Human Health vs Environmental Health, Andrew launched a new green building product rating system called Degree of Green, which is being used by consumers to eliminate the confusion within the green building realm and to help guide consumers to what they truly need.

Andrew has lent his expertise in the field of technical product knowledge to the National Healthy Homes Conference, Paint and Decorating Contractors Association, the Construction Specifications Institute, and the National Hardware Manufacturers Association, as well as numerous regional conferences and presentations.

In today’s episode:

0:30: Andy explains who he is and what he does. After seeing individuals get sick after being exposed to paints and coatings, he created a company that could supply non-toxic options for sensitive individuals. At first, his company targeted commercial spaces, but after noticing a lack of interest, he realized that homeowners would be more inclined to use their products to create a safe indoor space.

5:15: Andy details his thoughts on the reluctance of commercial spaces to use non-toxic paint. “In their eyes, it increases cost, decreases aesthetics, and increases the stress factor of the construction team. None of this is true, of course.”

6:45: Andy describes the patterns he’s seen in government regulations regarding air quality and pollutants such as VOCs. “Let’s not wait for what they tell us to do. Let's do what makes sense.”

11:30: Andy lists current building and construction practices he has seen that are helping create toxic indoor environments. One of his company's goals is to figure out ways to practice safer building strategies to avoid future issues like mold growth.

17:15: Andy explains the importance of reducing moisture in a home during certain construction phases to reduce the opportunity for contaminants like mold to grow. “I don't understand how they can say, ‘Don’t worry, it will dry out,’ when it won't.”

22:20: Andy describes his client's current situation and the indoor mold growth they’re battling due to structural issues. The client, Ashley, shares her story further on Mold Talks Heroes.

30:00: Andy explains the importance of testing a home to determine what types of contaminants may be present. "I’m a big believer in test results and understanding that the results are in the hands of whoever is conducting the tests and reading them."

33:30: Andy details other contaminants besides mold that he’s seen in homes and the steps he takes to assist these people as they work to create a healthier environment.

40:00: Andy describes the expectations individuals should have regarding how long it will take for chemical emissions like formaldehyde to continue off-gassing into an environment. He also goes through steps we can take to avoid this situation in our homes.

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Today’s guest is Ashley Brockinton, a mother of five, mold survivor, and awareness advocate. Ashley shares her story of how intense mold exposure impacted her family’s lives, from anxiety and chronic fatigue to intense PANS/PANDAS symptoms. After five years of suffering, they were barely getting by day-to-day.

In this episode:

1:00: Ashley explains how she began realizing that mold was an issue in her life. As a mother of five, one of her children began developing a series of symptoms related to PANS/PANDAS and they dove into testing to determine what was exacerbating his condition. 

3:00: Ashley details a failed inspection she initially had done in her home, which only used an air inspection. As a result, her child continued to suffer from PANS/PANDAS. “That false sense of security cost us two years of happiness and health.”

5:30: Ashley describes how one sign of mold that she missed at the time was a huge amount of dust.

9:00: Ashley explains how dealing with the fallout of mold exposure and her sick children led to her husband taking time off work to help her deal with the family. After seeing how intense the issues were, he began pushing to figure out what was wrong, which led to their discovery of mold. 

11:15: Ashley details how she and her family went to a hotel, and she immediately ordered an ERMI. The results of the test showed high levels of multiple species of mold. 

12:45: Ashley explains how mold exposure affects the brain and causes inflammation, which exacerbated her child’s PANS/PANDAS. She goes through several symptoms her child experienced and the struggles they faced. She also lists a few symptoms she and the rest of her family experienced. “Mold is very sneaky, and it’s very slow.

20:00: Ashley describes her experience with remediation and the struggles she’s faced with her insurance company not paying for the process. However, they knew that it was worth the work because they wanted to heal, they didn’t want another family to suffer, and knew they could potentially move into a different house with a contamination problem.

25:30: Ashley goes through how her family is healing and the detox processes underway. 

30:00: Ashley describes the cost and amount of loss they faced, but she’s choosing to focus on the positives. “If you can’t find positives in your health, look elsewhere and find something… I wouldn’t have known the quality of people around me if I never experienced this loss.”

39:30: Ashley reveals how she later found out that the home they bought was a sight unseen foreclosure, which she believed had water damage that was handled improperly. That’s why she’s a huge advocate of having a new home tested before moving in and properly handling any water damage. 

46:45: Ashley explains the lack of compassion and resources out there regarding indoor mold growth.

51:15: Ashley details her current feelings on mold and what her experience has taught her. “I’m not afraid of mold anymore because knowledge is power. Now I’m afraid for other people.”

53:15: Ashley shares advice with others going through a similar situation with mold that she wishes she had at the beginning of her journey. “Hire people that are informed on the health aspects of this.”

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Today’s guest is Laura Knight, a parenting educator, author, mom of two, and mold survivor. During the episode, Laura explains how mold exposure impacted her children and herself and how she came to realize that this fungus was the root cause of their chronic health issues. While she never would have expected their home to be struggling with a mold issue, it turned out to be highly contaminated and had been for years. 

Over a year later, their home has now been remediated, and they are all working towards detoxing. She’s now using all of her knowledge and experience to help others who are suffering through similar experiences. 

As a parenting educator, she helps parents bring calm into their homes and quell the chaos with practical, easy-to-use parenting tools that are effective and yield lasting results. But her mission as a parenting educator doesn't stop there: she wants to raise awareness and provide support for major issues and problems that many people are unaware of, such as mold toxicity.

In this episode:

0:30: Laura explains how she was impacted by mold and the effect it had on her young child. At first, doctors thought it was PANS, but Laura felt this wasn’t the right answer. “I can kind of chuckle now because we’re passed it now, but the truth is that it was traumatizing.”

2:30: Laura details how she and her family were tested for mold, leading to them testing their home. “It didn’t smell. It wasn’t what you think of when you picture a moldy home. There was nothing that looked wrong with our house at all. 

3:45: Laura describes her first thoughts when the functional medicine doctor first suggested that mold might be the underlying cause of her child’s health conditions. 

8:15: Laura goes through the remediation process and the extensive amount of decontamination that was required. “Our house required over a year’s worth of remediation.” 

10:30: Laura details how quickly her child recovered after moving out of the toxic environment and the detoxing process they adhered to. She also explains how she and other members of the family recovered and the processes they followed. “Mold is tricky because it needs to bind to something.”

16:15: Laura explains how she practices mindfulness to help get through traumatic events like mold toxicity and how she uses her knowledge to help others going through similar situations. 

18:15: Laura details how situations like mold exposure can impact parenting and the effect it can have on a child’s mental state. "I always try to answer children's questions as age-appropriately as possible while also sticking to the facts as much as possible... giving them hope and light at the end of the tunnel."

22:30: Laura describes the resources she’s created for others to help with parenting techniques and potential contamination situations in their home. “The website is a home for tools and resources that I wish I would have known then, but I know now and can share.”

26:00: Laura explains how difficult she found it to be to find proper testing to help analyze a home before moving into a new space. 

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Today’s guest is Alexis Manning, an exposure survivor, awareness advocate, and Diagnostic Practitioner in training. Alexis shares her story of being exposed to mold in a variety of ways throughout her entire life, from childhood all the way through adulthood. It wasn’t until she began to experience overwhelming chronic symptoms that she began to realize something wasn’t quite right.

Like many other individuals suffering through exposure, it took some time and multiple doctors before the topic of mold came on her radar. Luckily, she read a book that introduced her to Neil Nathan, who suggested that she was suffering from mold exposure.

As an overly-sensitive individual, it took over two years of retraining her lymphatic system before she was able to begin detox protocols. Thankfully, she’s now cruising along her healing journey and pushing to get back to feeling like herself. While the journey may have been long, the ability to get back to her normal life made the struggles worth it.

Now, Alexis is dedicated to proactively working to maintain a healthy home environment. She’s also committed to helping others who are suffering from similar experiences and bringing greater awareness to this topic. Creating more education about this topic will help it become more accepted and understood throughout society as a whole.

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Today’s guest is Emma Chesmore, a self-love advocate, lifestyle and fitness coach, and mold survivor. Emma is a mother of four whose mission is to help women feel their best, from the inside out, through mindset coaching, accountability groups, spiritual growth, and health and fitness. She specializes in helping mamas create a morning routine that they run instead of their mornings running them.

In this episode:

0:45: Emma explains how her journey began with mold exposure and figuring out that this fungus was the root cause of her chronic illness. She and her four children all had an array of seemingly random symptoms that never seemed to go away.

2:00: She described how she would never have guessed that this brand-new apartment they moved into had a contamination problem. “We figured we would be safe in this new space.” 

4:00: Emma goes through her process of dealing with the toxic environment while also struggling with brain fog and postpartum. At the same time that she found the issue, her fiance was getting hernia surgery, and luckily, she knew that he could not recover in a mold-infested environment. Unfortunately, her rental management did not handle the situation properly, extending the amount of time the water damage and contamination were present. This led to her continuing to experience chronic illness.

8:45: She explains how she hired her own inspector who came in and found high levels of mold in their environment, showing that the apartment complex did not handle the issue properly. They immediately decided to move out of that space so that she and her family could begin to heal.

14:15: She describes her time of healing with her family while away from that toxic environment. 

15:30: Emma explains her interactions with family and friends and how a friend of hers actually suggested mold as the culprit. From there, she had several other friends help her with the legal aspects of dealing with the apartment complex.

19:30: Emma details her and her family’s healing journey and how a chiropractor helped them with getting those toxins out. They eventually relocated to Texas, and Emma is continuing to work on detoxing her body. 

25:00: Emma explains how her experience with mold has helped her assist others during her health coaching sessions. 

30:30: Emma describes what she thinks the biggest barriers are to the acceptance of mold exposure and the drastic impact it can have on health. 

42:00: Emma explains that not just homes can have contamination problems. Any indoor environment, including places of work, can also lead to things like mold exposure. 

46:00: Emma describes how mold exposure can cause massive weight fluctuations. While she lost significant weight, her fiance had the opposite effect and gained weight. 

51:00: Emma explains the importance of testing. While it may be expensive, it shows what’s actually going on so that individuals can have a roadmap of what needs to be done to heal.

55:00: Emma highlights how anyone dealing with infertility should always double-check their environment to ensure the air they’re breathing is clean.

56:00: Emma shares the main things she learned during this journey that she hopes everyone can learn from if they’re going through a similar situation.

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Today’s guests are Sandi and Kyle, a married couple whose family was devastated by mold exposure. Their story details how difficult it can be to find answers to chronic illness and the lack of awareness given to this indoor contaminant. It took a lucky encounter with a neurologist to finally get the explanation they deserved.

In this episode:
1:15: Sandi discusses how their journey with mold exposure began. Sandi and their son were experiencing a range of symptoms in 2017: from brain fog, numbness, and anger to the inability to speak. It wasn’t until they found a neurologist for their son that they were introduced to the idea of mold.

4:00: Kyle explains how they struggled to determine where the mold was in the home and the improper testing they experienced while searching for the issue. While he didn’t experience any symptoms, he details the diagnoses his family members began to face.

7:00: Kyle details how eventually he decided to assess their kitchen sink and found a small leak that he decided to investigate further.

8:00: Sandi explains her first thoughts after hearing that it could have been mold as the underlying cause of the chronic medical issues. "I was open to it. My intuition just said, 'That’s got to be it.'"

13:00: Kyle explains the difficulties they faced finding answers initially and how he learned to not trust everyone right off the bat. While he didn’t know what their root cause could be, their main goal was to find the right professionals. Sandi, meanwhile, said that after being aware of mold as a potential, she knew that it was the answer.

15:30: Sandi and Kyle detail how many doctors their families have seen, especially for their children. They were bumped from professional to professional, who all had different ideas, but nothing actually worked. "For seven years, we were searching for something."

21:00: Sandi and Kyle go through their initial experience with a mold inspection that only took an air sample from the center of the room. As expected, the results incorrectly pointed to no contamination in the home, making them question whether or not the home was the problem.

27:00: Sandi and Kyle describe how, after finding the mold, they began to take steps to resolve the mold they found underneath the sink. Unfortunately, their first remediation experience in 2020 was not successful for a variety of reasons, as they explain. They didn’t realize it, though, until their son continued to show high levels of mold in his body. From there, they embarked on their second mold remediation. 

33:00: Even after the second remediation, they continued to experience chronic symptoms. Their daughter and son, in particular, began to get worse over time. Eventually, they found out that there was massive mold growth in their shower. After a much more thorough assessment, there were three other locations around their home with mold growth. While he didn’t make a plan, they opted for another remediation company that spent a month decontaminating their home. 

38:30: Sandi and Kyle describe their third remediation and the long list of issues they saw throughout the entire process. 

42:00: Sandi and Kyle explain how much this experience has absolutely devastated their lives. From the loss of jobs and money spent to the vast impact it has had on their children’s childhood. 

46:15: Sandi and Kyle detail lessons they’ve learned throughout their journey that they hope will help others. From listening to intuition and advocating for your own health to helping others suffering from mold exposure, this situation brought a list of lessons to their lives. 

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Melissa spent years in front of the camera as a model and actress, gracing magazine covers and starring in more than 20 films. She’s worked with the world’s best makeup artists and sampled every top beauty product there is, yet still credits bone broth as her #1 beauty secret. 

After finding herself in an unexpected wellness rut, actress and model Melissa Boloña turned to her sister for advice. The answer was simple: bone broth. Melissa noticed an immediate difference ranging from better gut health and fewer cravings to beautiful, glowing skin. The problem? She couldn’t find any local spots with tasty or convenient options. She then spent over 6 months testing out recipes in her own kitchen to create the flavorful and shelf-stable products you now know, Beauty & the Broth’s gut-healthy, broth concentrates. Rich in naturally-occurring collagen and made with convenience in mind— just for you. Now she’s drinking two cups daily and doing all she can to spread the word about this whole-body, total-beauty elixir in a cup.

After falling in love with broth and wishing there were more local spots to grab a mug of it, Melissa knew this was the business she had always wanted to create.

In this episode: 

1:00: Melissa describes how many doctors she saw and the difficulties that she faced in figuring out what was causing her chronic illness. 

1:30: She explains her experience working with Dr. Will Cole to help treat her hyperthyroidism and what led her to realize mold was the underlying cause. 

4:45: Melissa shares where she had mold exposure. “I remember getting an email from the building maintenance saying that there was an emergency water shutoff because of a leak in the basement. I thought nothing of it at the time. I said, ‘The apartment’s got it.’” Two months later, she was about to return home but her maid found the place covered in mold. 

7:15: She describes her experience with several doctors after being diagnosed with hyperthyroidism, her fear of being on medication, and a slow decline in health for the rest of her life. It wasn’t until she found Dr. Will Cole that she saw the light at the end of the path. “I think they saved my life.” 

12:15: Melissa goes into how this experience changed her perception of what’s in her environment and how it affects the body. 

15:30: She describes how she thinks her exposure came from contaminated belongings as she shipped all of her things to California. While the remediation company HEPA vacuumed them, she now realizes that this was not enough. 

20:45: Melissa explains the next steps she’s taking to help improve her indoor environment so that it’s a safe space to heal. 

22:45: Michael explains how to properly clean belongings in a home so that cross-contamination is not an issue. 

27:00: She shares her healing process and the steps she’s taking to improve her health. She also mentions her struggles with chronic fatigue and other symptoms. 

34:00: Melissa details how she’s trying to increase awareness among those around her. 

36:00: She describes the healing protocols that she’s been working on and the effectiveness of changing her lifestyle.

47:00: Melissa explains her company, Beauty & the Broth, and what led her to start this health-based company. 

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In this episode, Michael Rubino sits down with Rachel Varga to discuss how mold exposure can impact the body including triggering skin issues. She’s been helping her clients for years struggling with this issue and is a huge part of the community advocating for change and increased awareness across the world about how our indoor environments affect health.

Rachel Varga BScN, RN, CANS is a Double Board Certified Aesthetic Nurse Specialist since 2011 with over 20,000 procedures performed, an international clinical trainer for other Physicians and Nurses, celebrity skin expert featured by Dave Asprey, JJ Virgin, Wade Lightheart, Naveen Jain, Dr. Kellyann Petrucci, America’s Holistic Plastic Surgeon Dr. Tony Youn and more! Rachel is an international speaker and a 5 time academically published award-winning author in the field of regenerative and aesthetic nursing as well as an executive board member and peer reviewer for USA-based Plastic and Aesthetic Nursing Journal, a regular contributor to the UK-based Journal of Aesthetic Nursing and monthly contributor to the Best Holistic Life Magazine.

In this episode, they dive into:

1:45: Vargas explains her history with mold, including how her dad used to be a carpenter. Her prior knowledge is what started her down the path of healing clients who are experiencing skin issues related to mold exposure.

5:15: She details how she determines whether or not she should bring up mold as a possible underlying trigger for skin issues and other chronic symptoms. As a friend of Dave Asprey, she also has a wealth of knowledge to pull from in helping clients who are suffering from exposure.

8:15: Vargas goes through the "toxic bucket" theory and why she thinks it’s a great analogy for explaining why exposure to things like mold can cause problems. As she explains, the toxins entering the body can tip the bucket, triggering a wide range of symptoms. She goes through a few common symptoms she’s seen regarding the skin.

15:00: She shares how important it is to find practitioners that include environmental exposure in their medical decisions while attempting to help clients. With all of the things that can impact health, including mold, air quality, water, and EMFs, it’s incredibly important to include these in the wellness conversation.

23:15: Varga explains that it’s not all doom and gloom. There are industries and individuals evolving and bringing this issue to the table so that individuals worldwide can get the help that they need and deserve.

33:45: She shares how her views have been received and the increase in individuals looking to learn this new information and ideology regarding toxic buckets and chronic issues.

43:50: Varga explains the importance of taking care of your health and focusing on wellness. One aspect of this is removing contaminants like mold and mycotoxins from the skin through exfoliation and cleansing and maintaining healthy air quality while sleeping.

49:45: She details the lack of awareness and conversations regarding skincare for men and how important it is for everyone to take care of their skin. She goes through her experience treating men and the issues they come to her with.

58:00: Varga shares her personal experience of helping her husband, who is an athlete, live a healthier life and avoid toxic exposures, and how it has helped improve his performance.

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In this episode, Michael Rubino sits down with Dr. Lauren Tessier, a Naturopathic Physician, mold illness specialist, and awareness advocate to discuss her experience in the field and her passion for helping people who are suffering from chronic illnesses due to toxic environments.

Dr. Lauren Tessier is a Naturopathic Physician licensed by the state of Vermont. Her practice, Life After Mold, uses a patient-centered approach to help those suffering from mold-related illness recover. Her approach is informed by her Naturopathic Medical education, in combination with Functional and Integrative Medicine.

As a Shoemaker Certified Physician, she specializes in the treatment of Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS) as a result of exposure to mold and water-damaged buildings. She also specializes in the treatment of non-CIRS mold-related illness: mycotoxicosis, mold allergy and etc.

She travels around the United States, giving lectures regarding mold illness, and she operates as an indoor environmental health advisor for various companies. Additionally, she is the current President of ISEAI; a nonprofit dedicated to the advancement of medical knowledge surrounding Environmentally Acquired Illness, or EAI.

In this episode, they dive into:
1:30: Dr. Tessier explains how she got into the realm of medicine and treating mold illness. Her journey took her through the Shoemaker process, noticing how prevalent this issue is, creating treatments geared towards these affected patients, and joining ISEAI.

5:15: Dr. Tessier reveals how close mold toxicity is to her heart, including personal experiences and negative reactions from family members.

7:40: Dr. Tessier details how prevalent she believes mold toxicity and exposure are, and the growing awareness people are beginning to have about this issue. As she said, even the CDC is shining a light on how much this can negatively impact the health of those living in toxic spaces that have water damage and contamination.

12:00: Dr. Tessier explains how a paradigm shift is needed to bring greater awareness to water-damaged buildings, toxic environments, and chronic illness. From science to insurance coverage, the lack of representation and evidence is directly impacting affected individuals. One of the main issues, she said, is the difficulty in analyzing and creating scientific studies because no one wants to make individuals sick.

18:00: Dr. Tessier details a few literature pieces that go against the idea of why mold exposure can impact autoimmunity and the flaws in their argument.

23:30: Dr. Tessier goes through what it will take for change to occur and for the impact of mold exposure to be taken seriously. Insurance companies, in particular, have a fantastic opportunity to spearhead the initiative to provide better protection for individuals impacted by mold growth.

28:30: ​​Dr. Tessier explains why individuals cannot heal in the environment that’s making them sick in the first place. For those who can’t, she details a few things people can do to help reduce exposure and the importance of not trying to seek perfection.

34:00: Dr. Tessier goes through the steps an individual should take if they’re suffering from mold exposure and toxicity. She said that you should document all of your symptoms so that a medical professional will have a more clear picture of what’s going on in your body and use this to help determine a diagnosis. She then further explains how she helps treat her clients and the steps she takes to detox their bodies.

48:00: Dr. Tessier explains one main thing she hopes people will take away from this discussion.

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Today’s guest is Katherine Poulos, Licensed Cosmetologist, Certified Functional Medicine Health Coach, founder, and exposure survivor. Kali's experience with mold exposure has been a long and painful journey, but one that has opened her eyes to how dangerous this indoor contaminant can be. While she was previously familiar with mold illness and some of the effects exposure can have, she never considered that it was her environment affecting her body so greatly.

After moving into an apartment, Kali began to experience a range of seemingly random symptoms but thought that it was a result of her Hashimoto’s. As her condition continued to worsen, she eventually ended up at the hospital and was diagnosed with aplastic anemia. That’s when the conversation turned to bone-marrow transplants, blood transfusions, and survival rates.

It wasn’t until her business partner mentioned her drastic health change immediately following moving into the new indoor space that she decided to take a look at what was in her environment. The results showed astronomical levels of chaetomium, the root cause of her degrading health. After the discovery, she immediately left the environment and began to feel her body slowly improving.

It took years, but she’s now well on the path to healing and is using this experience to help others who are suffering from exposure. After her experience in the cosmetology industry, she’s also focusing on helping these professionals who are suffering from various exposures, including mold. She's working on navigating healthy beauty products as well.

Kali’s journey shows how seriously environmental exposures can affect health and the need for greater awareness and research. She experienced firsthand just how little the medical world is aware of contaminants such as mold, leaving it up to those who are suffering to be their own health advocates. We’ve got a long way to go, but sharing stories like Kali’s will help shine a light on this issue and bring about the change that is needed worldwide.

"It’s crazy when you think back that your home can make you sick."

"I do believe that every healer and those in service go through things in order to learn and be of service to others, and I know that this was part of my journey for that."

"Start with what you can. Don’t overwhelm yourself and don’t become a perfectionist because that will just inhibit you from making progress. Do the best you can with what you have and start with what you can do at home now. Even if it’s just drinking pure water."

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Learn more about Kali at:
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