What can a New Zealand rugby team teach you about leadership? This week, Stan and Chris speak to James Kerr to discover the answer to that question. James Kerr, a bestselling author, speaker, and business consultant, brings an inquisitive mind and practical observations to the conversation. Stan and Chris explore some of the lessons learned from James's best-selling book, Legacy: What the All Blacks Can Teach Us About the Business of Life, examining the symbols, rituals, practices, and values that made the All Blacks a successful rugby team.

Beyond the All Blacks, Stan and Chris share interests in common with James, who specializes in high-performing teams and leadership. James explains why smart leaders are great storytellers, draws an important distinction between humility as meekness and humility as confidence, and what CEOs can learn from coaches. James is an expert in his field and was generous with his time. We thank him for the discussion.

This week, Stan and Chris speak with Jake Harriman, the Founder and CEO of More Perfect Union and former Infantry and Force Recon Platoon Commander in the Marine Corps.

Jake has lived a life in service to others, focusing on international poverty, as well as the dangers of political extremism in the United States. After spending his childhood in West Virginia, Jake matriculated to the United States Naval Academy – and upon graduating, went on to serve in the Marine Corps as an Infantry and Force Recon Platoon Commander.

He left the Marine Corps after seven and a half years of service, and received his MBA from Stanford in order to form Nuru International in 2007, which aims to eradicate poverty worldwide. Jake then pivoted his focus inward to the United States and the dangers of partisanship in American politics to found More Perfect Union, which aims to heal the divide in the country and build a center in American politics.

Jake is a fascinating guest with much to say about the world we live in today, and how we can work together to make it better.

This week, Stan and Chris take some listener questions - and speak to some of the burning topics on their minds. As we transition out of the COVID-19 pandemic and look to the future of leadership, they took 40 minutes to dive into what they, and our listeners, are thinking about. They reflect on helpful lessons from communicating in a remote environment, consider the relationship between leadership and ego, as well as the tensions between habits, rule-following, and adapting to be efficient to attack crises at hand.

This week, Stan and Chris speak to Lisa Gevelber, the Chief Marketing Officer, Americas Region at Google, and Vice President of Grow with Google. Lisa has had a fascinating career. A student of Psychology, Lisa started her career at Proctor and Gamble, working at a variety of companies (some start-ups) before moving to Google in 2010.