To most people, pain and injury are synonymous. This week’s episode questions that assumption. Host, Peter McGraw, talks to physical therapist and creator of the Merrill Method, Charlie Merrill, about his radical new perspective on thinking about pain. They talk about a wide array of topics, including the difference between pain and injury, the pursuit of joyful activities, and the potential benefits of sprinting. If you stick around to the bonus material at the end, Peter and Charlie talk about working out to look good naked.

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