In this short, special bonus episode, Ruth interviews Celine Donovan, a Safe & Together Model Certified Trainer, working for Tatauko Mai, the only Safe & Together Institute Partner Agency in Aotearoa (New Zealand).   Ruth caught up with Celine in coffee shop in Christchurch.   They spoke about about how the Model has changed her practice. Celine, who also works for Aviva in Christchurch, talks about the Model has transformed her practice, and the practice of those around her.  She shares a story about how the Model helped transform practice in case where the survivor would've been labeled as "non engaging." Listen in as  Ruth and Celine yarn over a cup of coffee.  

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