Therapist Roger Andes, longtime friend and frequent collaborator on Thom and Allen’s 12-Step workshops, drops in to discuss his latest experiences with self-esteem. Influenced in large part by the work of Nathaniel Branden, it’s a central theme to his area of study and touches every level of the recovery process.

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