Join us for an insightful journey with Joe Sanhanga, a remarkable e-commerce entrepreneur generating millions annually through unique and high-priced products. Listen in as Joe shares his inspiring story from his roots in Zimbabwe to his educational pursuits in the UK and the US, ultimately landing in Las Vegas. His journey began on platforms like Shopify and WordPress, selling distinctive items such as African-style swimsuits and nano tape toys, before discovering the immense potential of Amazon's FBA and FBM models. Through their conversation, Bradley and Joe emphasized the transformative power of networking at conferences like Amazon Accelerate.

Explore the strategies behind Joe's successful transition to selling on Amazon, starting with assisting a soil business during the pandemic and leading to the creation of "Wonder Soil," a private-label product on Amazon. Joe's ventures into innovative products like tanning lamps, vitamin D lamps, and seasonal depression lamps highlight the importance of team collaboration and strategic Amazon sales optimization. With aspirations to surpass a $30 million run rate, Joe shares valuable insights into leveraging Amazon's platform to achieve extraordinary growth in niche markets.

Discover the challenges and tactics involved in marketing high-priced products, like a $599 lamp, in a competitive landscape dominated by lower-cost alternatives. We discuss the advantages of having larger margins for experimenting with keywords and bidding strategies, alongside the creative approaches necessary to maintain product visibility amidst Amazon's policies. Joe also shares his experiences optimizing advertising strategies, managing warehouse transitions to Amazon's Warehousing and Distribution system, and utilizing tools like Helium 10’s Adtomic to automate and enhance PPC strategies. This episode provides a comprehensive view of the perseverance and innovation required to thrive in e-commerce, offering inspiration and actionable advice for sellers at any level.

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Bradley Sutton:

Today we talked to a $30 million a year seller who is selling, and has sold, some of the most unique products I've ever heard of, including one at a $600 price point, when everybody else is priced at only 40 bucks. How cool is that? Pretty cool, I think.

Bradley Sutton:

Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of the Serious Sellers Podcast by Helium 10. I'm your host, Bradley Sutton, and this is the show that's a completely BS-free, unscripted and unrehearsed, organic conversation about serious strategies for serious sellers of any level in the e-commerce world. In my travels recently, one of the things I like about going to conferences and it's what I always tell people about is that you know you can meet different people, network with people and find out about their story, and that's kind of like how I structure this whole podcast. But then I actually did that recently at Amazon Accelerate and I'm glad I did it, because I'm glad I did it. As I went to this one mixer that they organized and I was at first, I was like, oh man, I was so drained after that day and I'm like, oh man, it's gonna be a crowded place. I don't like to be in crowded places, but you know what? I'm going to hop on this little lime scooter from my hotel and go over to this restaurant where the event was and I was sitting down talking to some people at the table and then I met today's guest there, Joe. How's it going?

Joe:

I'm going good. Thanks for having me on.

Bradley Sutton:

Awesome, awesome. Now, you said you're in Vegas right now. Right?

Joe:

Yes, we're in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Bradley Sutton:

Now, that's not a typical Vegas accent you've got. So where were you born and raised?

Joe:

Yeah, so I was born in Zimbabwe, raised as well in Zimbabwe, then I moved out to England where I spent a lot of my time there doing some education and stuff and then I got tired of the cold being a Zimbabwean.

Bradley Sutton:

You went to the opposite, then if you went to Vegas, I cannot imagine a more opposite than cold place.

Joe:

Oh yeah, 100%. I just went on to Google and I was like okay, I want to go somewhere in America, but I need to find somewhere warm. And I think the first thing that came up on the search was Death Valley, but there was nothing over there. So the second thing was Phoenix and Las Vegas. So, I eventually found myself in Las Vegas just because of the ease of doing business. Ability to meet people here is really good.

Bradley Sutton:

And did you go to university uh over in UK or in the US?

Joe:

yes, I did university in the UK as well as in the US, so I got an accounting degree back in uh UK um and then in the US, I did a um was a business management degree with some entrepreneurship uh additional to that

Bradley Sutton:

was it like a unlv or?

Joe:

I know this was in um in Phoenix in ASU, yeah.

Bradley Sutton:

ASU, uh, Sun Devil right?

Joe:

yes, sir, okay, there, you see it.

Bradley Sutton:

I always test my I don't know. I'm not going to ask you any kind of mascot because from England I don't know anything about England schools, but I know most of the US schools have mascots here. Actually, I'm wearing a. We'll talk about this later. I'm wearing a mascot from a minor league baseball team is my hat. This is called from nearby to Arizona is Albuquerque Isotopes. But the reason I use this today was because this is very similar, this logo, to our Helium 10 Adtomic logo. I know you and I were talking about Adtomic, doesn't it look like the A from Adtomic yeah,

Joe:

it actually does. Now I see it when you mention it.

Bradley Sutton:

So that's why I wore this on purpose. There's a method to my madness, but anyways, before we get to Adtomic, talking about Adtomic, I just want to talk about your e-commerce journey. So when you graduated from, after you know, there at ASU, did you get into e-commerce at all, or at what kind of?

Joe:

So this was actually still back in England , around 2017 is when I kind of got first into my e-commerce kind of journey, which was on Shopify. Specifically, Shopify and WordPress was where I started out and I bought a random course of somebody online, learned all about basically advertising from like Facebook, from Instagram, from Google, sending it to this website and landing pages that we used to do. And then, within being in that realm, I started hearing this FBA term being thrown around.

Bradley Sutton:

What were you selling on Shopify in those days?

Joe:

Oh, so I remember we had to go at, we did these other swimsuits that we did African style print swimsuits, and then we also went on and started doing it was like these little tape toys, sort of like double-sided type tape. Yeah, exactly so we were doing those. It's called nano tape, um, so, yeah, that's basically how, how that started and then,

Bradley Sutton:

and then that's when you, when you kind of like, learned about the amazon, uh potential.

Joe:

So I heard, obviously, being in that space, I started hearing this word FBA being thrown around uh, the acronym, and you know. Then I went on Google, searched up, okay, what is FBA? And it's some sort of Amazon selling thing. Okay, and then there's FBM as well. So now I'm like, okay, there's these two terms, what is this all about? And that's basically when I started doing my research and I was like, okay, this Amazon thing seems to actually have some stuff to it. And at the time I think the platform is not the way. It's so different now, because sometimes I've got screenshots of my old dashboards and it just looks completely different. So, yeah, that's how I basically then started with Amazon.

Bradley Sutton:

Did you start selling like your own account, you know, on Amazon, start selling your own products, or did you just start working for other companies that were selling on Amazon?

Joe:

Yeah, so to begin with I was working with this other lady. She basically had soil and the way we actually started working together was I created a website for her, put on Shopify, to sell the soil, and then she was bagging up the soil to try and get it to consumers, because her business was mainly sending thousand-pound totes to farmers. But she said, how can I get this you know three-pound bag to people that are at home and want to grow some plants and what actually it was? This was around 20.

Bradley Sutton:

Soil on Amazon, man, when you think you've heard it all.

Joe:

It's called Wonder Soil. It's actually one of the rivals to Miracle-Gro and we actually I actually raised it to get the Amazon choice badge. We were on Business Insider as one of the top growing brands on amazon too, um, but basically the cool thing about it was we've tried to find a way to get the soil to consumers and everything worked well, because this was during covid, so people were at home, people had nothing to do, and you know people are growing stuff at home, people. You know we're just trying to, yeah, so the product hit at the right time uh, what year is this 2020.

Bradley Sutton:

Okay. 2020 okay yeah. Oh yeah, I mean that was a good time. Yeah, during covid, people were always are really trying to make their own gardens and stuff like grow their own vegetables and stuff like that okay yeah this is a private label brand or you're reselling um others?

Joe:

oh, so we actually have manufacturers in China. Uh, that we get all that product for We've actually gotten rid of our warehouse Now. We've gone full into AWD, so we're getting.

Bradley Sutton:

Let's talk about that a little bit later in the show too. I haven't talked to many people who are doing that, so I'll be interested in that, ok.

Joe:

Yeah, so that's, that's what that one. And then there's another lamp company, which is pretty funny, is tanning lamps and vitamin D lamps, so we run through those on Amazon as well. Those are actually the only there's a lamp that can give you vitamin D.

Bradley Sutton:

It's the only lamp the same like the sun.

Joe:

Yes, you spend five minutes every other day in front of it and it'll give you. And there's studies on YouTube. People use this lamp, where this lady her name is Carnival Doctor on YouTube. She did a study with a lamp for six weeks and her levels went from 20 something to 40 something vitamin D. She feels healthier than ever and it's perfect. It stopped her from having to buy, you know, vitamin D pills and, of course, all those sorts of things. So, yeah, it's the only one, and you get tan at the same time. So now, that's the difference. So, there's two lamps One gives you vitamin D and one gives you a tan, because there are some people that don't want the tanning effect. So that's what it is. So, it's-.

Bradley Sutton:

Now what if you put this tanning lamp over your miracle magic soil? Are you going to create some like hybrid plant? Oh my, you sell the most interesting things. All right, there's a third account too,

Joe:

yeah, so it's basically the third account is also in lighting, but this one is seasonal depression lamps where basically you look at it so that one is its own brand.

Bradley Sutton:

Did you say depression? Yes, depression lamp Like as in I'm very depressed and I'm sad like that word depression.

Joe:

Yeah, depression, you're sad. What does that have to do with a lamp? So, you look at this lamp for 30 minutes and you become happy. I know it sounds stupid, but minutes and you become happy. I know it sounds stupid, but that one doesn't give you vitamin D.

Bradley Sutton:

That one doesn't give you vitamin D. Nor a tan. Yeah, you see. Hey, there's a product idea. You got to combine all three and then, oh my goodness, you'd have the most amazing.

Joe:

That would be powerful. We've had people that have requested you know, do you have one that does both, or this, this, this? But because of FDA regulations, we've had to separate a lot of the things.

Bradley Sutton:

Is these three separate companies or is it like the same group of people who's all owning all three of these?

Joe:

So two of the companies is one group of people and the other one is one person.

Bradley Sutton:

And then, what do you do in these?

Joe:

So I run just an Amazon account. So I run just an Amazon account. So running the ads, running the listing optimization, making sure the account is obviously hitting the sales numbers, everything that just literally goes through Amazon and inventory everything.

Bradley Sutton:

What's the overall projected sales for all three combined on Amazon?

Joe:

So for all three combined, we're looking at 28. We're on pace to do 28 million this year on all three.

Bradley Sutton:

Will that be your best, our biggest year yet.

Joe:

Yeah, this would be our biggest year yet. We've seen record numbers in previous months. In previous, like this past quarter, we'd had record sales as well. I know we had our biggest. We had, I think, our first. We had two days in September where we had 100K sales days, which was the first time we've done that. We also had our highest sales days in the past two years. Nine of those days in our top 10 sales were all in September. So we've had record sales. Especially Q3 was really, really amazing. I think we were up about 800K across the board in Q3 alone. So we're on pace to do a really good year and it sets us up for our plan is to do a 2.5 million month at least once this year in total and that will set us up for a run rate for next year. We want to push over to that 30 million stage.

Bradley Sutton:

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Joe:

So it's actually crazy. You say that is because the first vitamin d lamp started in 1924. It was a guy by Dr. Sperti is his name. He's the guy who made it. He invented it and he started selling it throughout the US. It was a company in Kentucky, um, but he was just selling it out of his own like little warehouse and then eventually he got old um and then sold off for business and then basically that's where we put it online, um to run it through Amazon, and we first were going like, for example, the vitamin D one it's the only lamp that's there. The only competition are these vitamin D pills that you'll see on Amazon. But our price point for the lamp is like 599. And we're competing against people that can buy a bottle for four bucks, five bucks on Amazon. So it's been a pretty interesting game competing against people that can buy, you know, a bottle for four bucks, five bucks on amazon. So it's been a pretty interesting game. But it moves. It moves um on amazon. What's the price of the product?

Bradley Sutton:

you said 599 599, 599, yeah, wow, uh, I want to. I'm trying to look at, look for it on amazon right now. What's the brand name called?

Joe:

SpertI s-p-e-r-t-i, and then you'll see vitamin d we got to show the audience this.

Bradley Sutton:

Okay, oh, my goodness gracious, here it is. Hold on, this is incredible. All right.

Joe:

That's it and it's right. That's the first one that's popped up against our competition. All those are competitors on the right.

Bradley Sutton:

So 500 and Sperti. So that was what the doctor's name was. Who?

Joe:

made this up.

Bradley Sutton:

Yeah, Dr. Sperti, that was his name yeah, there was a ready demand for this out there.

Joe:

Oh, huge, because, if you think about it, vitamin D pills are basically the same target market as us. Yeah, so this is just a non-invasive way that you buy and you keep this for a very, very long time. So that's that. So something interesting. As you go through this, this listing, you're not going to see the word vitamin d anywhere on the listing and you'll notice our carousel images, our images on there. we have our box images because amazon actually took us down because our lamp has the word vitamin d on it.

Bradley Sutton:

ah, yeah, yeah, I see it in the video there, so you don't have vitamin d anywhere in there, but you probably got indexed for the keyword by Amazon.

Joe:

Exactly so. That's why we use UVB, which is basically the term for vitamin D. So Amazon is not allowing us to use it, even though we're FDA approved and everything. Amazon is just not letting us go for that.

Bradley Sutton:

I see some of your main keywords. Yeah, vitamin D lamp.

Joe:

Oh yeah, we can use them in the back. Vitamin D light.

Bradley Sutton:

Vitamin D therapy lamp, vitamin D light therapy. Now, I'm just curious. I don't talk very often with people who have this high price point. What is different about having a product that's in the hundreds of dollars? Like, do you approach advertising differently, cause it's not like where I mean. You might now you know you, you might get a hundred clicks with no sale, but still you just get one, the 101st click. All of a sudden, that's $600 of revenue. So, so, like, how is it different, uh, with something like this, compared to your, your other products, which I'm assuming is like more you know, regular pricing 10, 20, 30 bucks.

Joe:

So the cool thing about it is that across all the catalog that I, that I that I run, I have products starting at like five bucks, all the way to this one that has $5.99. So the landscape with this one is totally different. Like you said, you can set up an ad, you'll get 50 clicks at $1.20 CPC and, based on our margins, we're still clean on a sale. If we get one sale, we profit. So the cool thing about it is you just have to be a bit more patient. However, because we have such kind of should I say a big space for those clicks, it allows us to test a lot of keywords in this space and we really kind of exhaust any keyword that's there without having to really be careful, unlike if I was selling a smaller, less priced product, I can't just throw in all the keywords and just you know it'll go crazy if it's like a $60 product.

So with this, it gives me that comfortability to go out and bid higher and also it allows me to, like I said, like if you saw on that page where you searched, my competition were those pill bottles that are like five bucks, six bucks, seven bucks, so I can bid above all of those guys. So I ensure that every time you search the keyword I'm going to be first, because there's no way they're going to bid the same amount of dollars. I'm going to bid because their price points are different. However, they can take a loss on a sale because they have repeat products. So people finish that bottle, they come back and buy another With ours. That person buys a lamp and is done. So we obviously have to gauge it to a point whereby, okay, this is our ACOS target and at this A-cost target we're profitable. So that's now how more I manage that one. It's more ACOS targeting, but I'm basically trying to make sure I stand out for every single eyeball that's there because I have the room.

Bradley Sutton:

So this is interesting because, regardless of the price point, there are similar kind of scenarios where it would be like this they're probably actual keywords of how somebody who's searching for this exact thing is probably very limited Vitamin D lamp or lamp for tanning, you know for your other product, or it's not. Like oh there's you know 5,000 way, you know 5,000 ways that are going to come up in Cerebro to search for this one thing. You're like it's kind of like that way with coffin shelf. If you're looking exactly for a coffin shelf, that's pretty much it, that's it. Coffin shelf or shelf shaped like a coffin, like there's very limited number of words. The other keywords I get sales from is more like the, you know, gothic decor or spooky things. So how are you doing your keyword research? Like using Helium 10 or amazon, for you mentioned you do a lot of testing for targets. So like, where are you coming up with these keywords to test to see if any of them stick?

Joe:

So that's. It's more like said, I run Cerebro on a lot of those vitamin D bottle and pills and basically a lot of my. So, like I've said, I've exhausted the keyword vitamin D and the more you get long tail with this product, the less traffic you have. You know, for some of the products you can get long tail with a bunch of keywords and you still have traffic. Like, for example, if it's like a Ziploc bag, I can put Ziploc bag for Legos, Ziploc bag for sandwiches, Ziploc bag for this. You know the list is endless and you have traffic with this. Not many people even know this lamp exists.

So what I've actually done is sometimes I go and target competitor company names and key names. So if it's like some company that sells a bottle of vitamin D lamps or vitamin D pills, I'll actually target their brand because when I look at their keyword, it's people that are repeat purchases, so it always has traffic. And but because I can bid high on their own company name, I'm going to show up first and I have the room with my price point to show up consistently and eventually, if you're somebody that is very hooked on buying these products, for vitamin D pills, you're going to see my product and think, okay, what is this? Because it's coming up. I've seen it so many times when I come and buy this product that when you read about our process, you then be like, okay, so this is something that actually can benefit me and can work as an alternative for ingested pills and all the other disadvantages that come with that. So that's basically how I find other keywords and start going for those.

Bradley Sutton:

You know, price game is something nobody ever wants to play, and you're not playing at all, you’re doing the opposite. You know, like on some of these keywords I do see some like people ranking for, like vitamin D lamp, but they're, just like you know, $20 products and they're selling thousands of units. But then are you going after those people too, Like the people who are going after that or how? How, how do you still get sales when people can technically get something one 10th the price? People you just got to like, make sure that they know the value of what you, that yours is different.

Joe:

Yeah, so that's where we have to communicate that through the listing, and it's because a lot of those $20 lamps that you're seeing there, those are not actually vitamin D lamps, those are seasonal depression lamps. So if you're looking at, can you see that Alaska Northern Lights big box on the right where your mouse is? Yes, that's one of the lamps that I sell. That's for seasonal depression.

Bradley Sutton:

Okay, I was about to click on that, but no, I'm not going to click on the sponsored ad and charge you $3 right there. So good thing I didn't.

Joe:

But then if you look at to the left, you've got that product. That's 19 bucks. Those are actually seasonal depression lamps, so they don't give off vitamin D. So somebody would purchase that and then they'll realize that doesn't give you vitamin D. So they'll probably return it and then come back to ours. But if they're looking for seasonal depression those would be those ones.

Bradley Sutton:

This is just an interesting niche. This is kind of fascinating to me. So then, overall, almost $30 million. What are you spending per month? Or what are you paying Amazon for advertising per month?

Joe:

So monthly. Right now we're spending total across the board with about 120K a month on advertising budget.

Bradley Sutton:

Advertising. And then, what's your TACoS then? At kind of, is it different per account? Are you looking at your TACoS?

Joe:

yeah, so the lamp TACoS are, like, I think, close to two percent um, and then uh, because that ACoS is really low, um. However, with uh, with the one that's got the majority of the products, our tacos right now we are sitting at a 5.38. That's what we just closed out at, okay. Okay, our ACoS is at 15 point. I think it was 15.5 is what we ended on in September. We brought that down from a 20 ACoS down to a 15. Our goal was to bring it down to 10, but obviously we've done about 50% of that target. Now, which is hard, you know, if you're spending, you know, over a hundred K. To bring down a cost by 5% is really difficult. So that's, that's where we are.

Bradley Sutton:

Are you using Adtomic for all of this spend, all of this $120,000 spend?

Joe:

We've launched. So with Adtomic, we've put in some rules for some SKUs and we're watching that and I actually had a call with Travis, like I said before, to try and we've got different rules for different products and we're trying to see how we can build out those rules in Adtomic.

Bradley Sutton:

Like rules that you were just using manually, like downloading search term reports. What are some of the rules? Tell me how you run your PPC.

Joe:

So most of my rules would come into the shipping product, one where basically first rule is identifying the product, pricing. So if it's a bag so let's say Ziploc bag, right, we've got a Ziploc bag, a four by six size. We have different variations. So we have a hundred pack, five hundred pack, thousand pack. The hundred pack could cost maybe 19 bucks, five hundred pack 50 bucks, other one 99 bucks.

So based on those, we make rules where if it's the $19 one, we want to start our bids at $0.40 or something like that. Somewhere it makes sense. But then if it's for the 1,000-pack one, we can start off our bidding at $2, $3. And that's because if somebody then buys it it's $99. So it's more of guiding based on that price threshold of the product and getting that rule in. And then, as we keep going, we want to make sure that if it's not getting any spend after two weeks it'll look back and add, you know, 10 cents to it if it's getting too many clicks. And if it gets like 10 clicks at that price, at that um, 44 cents, uh, whatever, 40 cents, um, and no sales, it'll dial it back by five cents or something like that, just to just to start, you know, bringing it back to see what we can get. So those are.

Bradley Sutton:

So then, instead of basing your rules in Adtomic, like, necessarily on ACoS, you're like doing it on the, the performance, like clicks and. Are you doing impressions at all, or just mainly clicks? Mainly clicks and then sales? What about your keyword harvesting? Did you set up any keyword harvesting rules on your auto or broad campaigns? Yes, and what's your thresholds there?

Joe:

So with there we do have our keyword harvesting set up and we usually just go in when it shows us. Then we'll add and accept whatever we want to Others we don't and we basically just throw them in. So we have one that right now has some rules and we've been working with the one that keeps the ACoS threshold in different margins. That's been looking good. So we've actually decided that when we've got launch ASINs because we're planning to launch another 42 products, I think it was soon is put those into the ACoS threshold, get those spending. Then, once we've gotten some traction with those, we start messing with the bids ourselves because we look at these in different silos as well in terms of market share.

So if it's like tapes, we might not be the biggest player in tapes, so we can't really go out the income on the market. But if it's like Ziploc bags, Celo bags, we have tons of market share. Our brand is known. The moment you see our packaging on our default listings, you know it's us. So we bid higher on those ones to really just take up and kill anybody that's coming in. And we're happy to take up that high bid because people repeat purchase on those ones so we can lose money on the first sale because we can look at the lifetime value of those customers and it makes sense.

Bradley Sutton:

How many targeting type, different targeting types are you doing per product? You know for me, sometimes a lot of some. I'll have three main keyword ones, at least, obviously, to start, because then I'll cap it and start new ones, but I'll have an exact, you know, like, like atomic calls, a performance campaign. I'll have a broad campaign with broad targets. I'll have an auto, but then I'll also a lot of times have an ASIN targeting campaign, product targeting campaign. I'll also do a sponsor display campaign. I might do a video, two video campaigns, like a keyword video campaign, an ASIN video campaign and then maybe, if I have, you know, three products in a certain brand, I might have a sponsor brand that's feeding a few of those. Like, are you doing all of those or just you're just keeping it to the basic keyword targeting campaigns? What do you guys do so?

Joe:

So for every ASIN we basically have five different ads and it starts off with broad, which is obviously our broad keywords, and then we'll go to exact keywords where basically we don't start off by putting keywords in the exact. We let you know, get it from helium and atomic and then we put those in uh based on what it's telling us, and then we've got auto testing. So we uh, or it's called a auto cam, just normal campaign, which is obviously we let that run in the order category. Then ASIN testing, where basically we're running targeting that specific category of that product. And the cool thing about those ascent testing is it helps us identify new markets. So let's say we have a variation in poly and plastic packaging and let's say this product is sitting at number two. We might actually take that product. And then let's say we have other products that are like three, four, five, six in that category. We might take the number two product and move it to mailbags. It'll drop the BSR because of its historical performance and its ability to perform. We might actually start testing a different category just to gain more market share in a different category because we know we've kind of succeeded in that one. So that's more for ASIN testing.

Then we have ASIN targeting, where we actually we use our Cerebro to get competitors, Black Box to get competitors Then we obviously target those competitors depending on how many reviews they have. So if it's somebody that's got anything less than four stars, what they're targeting you, because most of our products are sitting within the 4.5 to 4.89 range. So anybody below four stars we're targeting you, and then we also use what's it called. Then those are basically the five that we do per ASIN and then we also use what's it called. Then those are basically the five that we do per ASIN. And then we have started testing some display campaigns. We had VCPM running, which was a waste of money really. It was just the attribution was wrong. So what we're doing now is some display campaigns to actually do some retargeting and basically that's where we've got started going. We haven't done much sponsored brands. Things have just really been working in sponsored product for us.

Bradley Sutton:

Or the auto and maybe broad campaigns. Did you set any atomic rules as far as when to suggest a negative match or like a poor performing search term? Or how are you managing the spend on your auto campaigns? Because you know, sometimes if you just let Amazon do what they want, they'll just show you for all kinds of crazy stuff and they don't care about how much your spend is. So what are you doing to keep your auto campaigns under control?

Joe:

Yeah, so what we basically do, obviously we have the loose you select the loose substitute compliments and all that type of stuff. We have those like basic keyword rules that we set our bids at where, and we do that based on our pricing. So, depending on the product's price, we'll add in those rules and then basically when Adtomic starts showing whatever negative is in there, we'll go in and either accept the negative and or reject it. And I remember I don't know if it was Travis who told me we don't want to is it reject the negative or something, because it will completely kind of block it out forever or something like that In Adtomic. If you were to do that on a negative, I think it was if you fully approve a negative. So we kind of just watch it and see if it's really a negative and then we test it out. But that's how we kind of do it. So we haven't really put much rules on that side. It's more depending on the price of the product.

Bradley Sutton:

And then you said for like keyword harvesting, like if an auto finds something like is it just one for you? And then you, hey, I'll go ahead and move it to one of my manual campaigns. Or do you want to see like two or three orders of some new keyword before you put it to your exact campaigns, or what's your threshold there?

Joe:

Yeah, usually we try and get up to about five, five orders. Um, cause, that's that we've, we've, cause we've had keywords where you might get an order or two, and then it just starts burning money after that. So, yeah, um, we let whatever's winning win and then if something shows promise and you know it comes up with like five orders, uh, that'll be cool and then we'll add it back in. And the cool thing about it is, if it was obviously like the, the lamps, five orders is a bit too many for a keyword. But if it's the Ziploc bags, we know we can easily get those five orders and it justifies because you know that the, the traffic on those is way more than the people that are looking for the lamps. So it just depends on the product as well.

Bradley Sutton:

What is what brought you from, I forgot what you said like, from 20 to 15 a cost, like? What specific strategies you think? Like, was it something different? You were doing um, or, or you just change the rules, or what. What can you attribute that lowering of ACoS to?

Joe:

Okay. So basically, we started a KPI where we looked at the number of ACoS campaigns that are above 100% in our account, because I think we have about 4,000 something campaigns running. So basically, when we sorted that out, we would start off with, like, let's say, 40. Then of those 40, that's our priority for the month and basically, we'd look at what the ad type is. We'd look at what the ad type is, we'd look at where the you know impression share is going. Is it top of search, is it product key, is it product pages or is it in the categories? And then basically sometimes we would notice that, let's say, if it's product search for this specific ad, it's showing a way better ACoS but it's not getting as much spend and impressions as this one. But you know, the product page is just spending money. So what we'll do is we'll change the percentage on the impression share to show more on that specific placement that's actually performing the best.

And what we realized is a lot of our ACoS started just, you know, dropping for those campaigns where we doubled down. Yes, it might not spend as much, you might not as much traffic, but if our ACoS drops, you know, by 50% on that campaign, that's a win. So that's what we're doing. And then sometimes it's actually where you're getting a bunch of sales at like 60, 70% ACoS from top of search, but this product page placement is at 20% ACoS but it's not getting as much spend. So now we'll move our spend and our impression share more on that product page and reduce the top of search. Even though it cancels out some sales, the profitability of investing in that product placement on the product pages makes more sense. So that's how we've been kind of juggling the placements and it's been helping really well to cut ACoS.

Bradley Sutton:

When you launch new products. What's your strategy? Is it strictly I mean, like do you have this big audience that you're able to promote to and then they send a lot of traffic that way, or is it 100% with PPC that you're launching products? What's your strategy? Like?

Joe:

So 100% of PPC. We have been talking about, you know, starting to get an email list together, but, as you know, with Amazon you don't get that information of your customers, so it's very difficult. If we had like a website, then maybe we could leverage that side of it. But, like I said, 100% of all sales is Amazon and unfortunately, we don't have the customer data. So what we usually do is set up our PPC. Sometimes, depending on the market or the product, what we'll use are the deals, if it's promotions, and sometimes we've actually, you know how you can now put price, the strikethrough pricing. So sometimes when we launch a new product, we launch about a few bucks higher than we're actually planning to sell, and that's because we just want to get the featured offer pricing going. And then, once the featured offer has registered onto Amazon, we'll set a strikethrough price at the intended selling price that we want to and then we'll pump up our PPC. Why? Because now our product is showing amongst everybody else to have this discount of like 20% or whatever it is, and that increases our conversion rate because obviously people are seeing this discount. And then sometimes you might actually get the badge that says lowest price in 30 days and on a new launch. That helps quite a lot and basically that's what we do.

Then we start pumping PPC and then, once that ends, we actually noticed with another product where we were averaging about, I think it was 0.78 run rate so which is basically close to a sale a day on that product at 24 bucks. We raised the price to 28 bucks so that we could make a strike through at 24. And then at the end of the strike through because after 30 days when you set the strike through it stops the deal, we actually realized that our run rate went to 0.68 at 28 bucks. So we started noticing that the difference in sales were not actually bad from the price going back to four bucks. That's because we just had forgotten to change it back to that 24. So it actually helped us realize like wait, we were still selling at that 28 bucks, so now we just drop it back and when we drop it back to 24 with that strikethrough it just increases the sales and obviously the conversion rate and the ACoS, which allows us more dollars to spend on that product.

Bradley Sutton:

Before you switched to AWD, did you guys have your own warehouse? Did you have multiple 3PLs, One 3PL? What were you doing?

Joe:

So we had our own warehouse and basically obviously we're shipping it from China to our warehouse and then from our warehouse to Amazon, and then basically with AWD, and the fees just got out of hand. It kind of priced us out of obviously doing that route, which is why we went with AWD. And it's kind of been our first kind of-.

Bradley Sutton:

The new fees you're talking about, like the inbound inventory placement fees and things like that,

Joe:

all that type of stuff, yeah, it kind of really hit us hard. So we realized, and we priced everything up in Seoul, it's way more lucrative to go with AWD, and you have to have

Bradley Sutton:

Is that AGL too? Or just like? Are you actually having Amazon ship from China or you're shipping it into AWD?

Joe:

We're shipping it into AWD. Right now, we haven't fully gone into Amazon shipping it from China, but we're shipping it into AWD. And that's basically where we just noticed that economics-wise it just made way more sense to go with AWD. So we took that big step of obviously getting away with our warehouse and now just sending product into AWD. How big was your warehouse? It was pretty big. It was pretty big. I don't know how many square feet on the top of my head.

Bradley Sutton:

Do you know how much it costs per month? About?

Joe:

Yeah, it was close to about. I think it was like 25 grand.

Bradley Sutton:

Oh my goodness, yeah, so we're talking probably 20,000 square feet or above. They're in Vegas. Yeah, it was pretty big. And then how many full-time employees had to run it?

Joe:

So we had four people there

Bradley Sutton:

and then now you had to let them go after you close the warehouse. So then it's not just $25,000 a month, but then probably another $10,000 of salary you're saving.

Joe:

yeah, so there's a big saving, when you look at it, from everything. And we've kept one person I think it was that basically helps us with inventory forecasting and just helping manage kind of the inventory side of AWD. Because right now we've moved into AWD. But some issues we've had with AWD is when FBA goes out of stock there's like a two-week period we've seen that it takes for that transfer of inventory to go into FBA and that's because AWD hasn't learned our sell through rates yet. So right now, for example,

Bradley Sutton:

you can't control that at all. Like you can't just force AWD to say, hey, I know I'm going to sell more, send more to FBA. Like you have to wait for them to be able to see it.

Joe:

Yeah. So you can manually send more. But because we have a catalog of 900 products, it'll be very tenacious to look at FBA for all these products and then go to AWD and manually click one. So what we've done is we put the auto replenishment. But because Amazon hasn't learned our products yet, literally, we had a product that had a sell-through rate of I think it was it'll go through about 300, 400 products a month. We ran out of that product and AWD transferred 10 units to FBA and it took two weeks to get those 10 units and those sold out within a day. So it was just the worst and the worst.

Bradley Sutton:

I got to start you on Helium 10 inventory management, because helium 10 inventory management is created for people who have three PLs and then and then we tell you, all right, set up a new shipment. But theoretically somebody just asked me to say the other day we don't integrate yet with AWD. I know that's on the roadmap, but like a third-party warehouse, like you know how much inventory is there, so you put the number in and then you know what you know. Helium 10 knows what your inventory is in Amazon. And then so we would just tell you the same way hey, it's time to trigger, you know. So I know you said before like hey, yeah, you might not have time to, you know, be checking 800, but that's the whole point of inventory management where you just you know you better send, you know, 500 units in from your warehouse and so, yeah, we'll get you started on that.

Joe:

Yeah, that would be a lifesaver because this is how it's impacting my ads now. So you know back in the day, if you run out of stock on FBA, your listing is not showing anymore, your ads are not delivering. However, with AWD, if you've got stock, what it's done now is it changes our seller delivery date. So we realize that with this duct tape,

Bradley Sutton:

and you're conversion like tanks right, because it says like oh, delivery in three weeks or something crazy like that.

Joe:

So this duct tape product had delivery in two months. I'm not waiting two months to get duct tape.

Bradley Sutton:

So instead of the listing going dead, it still shows available, but then two months.

Joe:

So people are clicking on this sponsored ads and they're like, yeah, I'm not waiting two months to get a duct tape, I'm going to the alternative person which is their competitor. So, I'll add just hitting, hitting, hitting, hitting, no sales. And you're like what's going on? And then now when you look at it and it's fine detail, delivers in two months. You're like that's so. Now we've had to end the crazy thing about when you've got 4,000 ads, because you've got five ads SKUs, you can't go and manually turn all those off and then wait until it comes back in stock to turn it back on. So that's been a nightmare as well.

Bradley Sutton:

Now Interesting, okay. So yeah, it looks like AWD, like overall pretty decent. You save all those fees, probably thousands and thousands of dollars of fees. You're saving tens of thousands of dollars in warehouse, tens of thousands of dollars in warehouse. But on the flip side, you almost have to, you know if, if you're not using Helium 10, um for inventory management, you almost have to like hire another full-time employee just to manage that, depending on how many SKUs you have, or else, or else you're going to lose, you know too much money.

It's not just the lost sales, what's advertising, like you said, very good, very good, uh, very good point. Um, if I were to ask you like, all right, hey, end of the day, not everybody can, can have a business that does 30 million a year. What set? What has set you guys, uh, apart? Obviously, you know you have some cool patent and some product. You know for one of them that that nobody else can get. That's been around since 1920, but it's anybody you know. I'm sure there's billions of or millions of businesses that were made a century ago, that that technically you could sell, but that doesn't mean you're going to be a 30 million dollar seller. So what sets you guys apart, would you say?

Joe:

I think it's that consistency and never give up mentality when you start off a product, because a lot of things that I've seen with other sellers is they're quick to write off a product because they're not profitable with it within the first kind of initial launch phase. And what I've noticed is we stick out with the product and our launches are in strategies here. So we start off with a launch. So, let's say, we're doing zip bags right and we have these zip bags. They're heavy duty, so it's four mil size. When we start off with a zip bag, we're happy to lose some money on that because we know it's repeat purchases. So we now have to calculate and understand okay, this is the frequency of those sales, this is what we expect to come in, what sizes are winning, and basically having the consistency to keep pushing, even though it might not be profitable to start. Eventually, when you start getting those repeat sales, you'll see the profitability come in and that's where those products, when they start winning. You do the exact same thing with new launches and it's, like I said, that consistency to keep doing that with new launches and new launches and new launches has been a game changer. And then also just not being afraid to test Amazon. So you know, like I said with our vitamin D one, we've thrown different keywords in there, we've thrown different words in there, even at times where you get delisted because Amazon said these things don't work or this is, you can't put that writing, so it's.

It's helped us push our listing and appear in different places and we always do tracking to see if it's click-through rates, if it's the title. So, for example, some of our titles have our brand name, which is spot and industrial. That's a pretty long brand name and if you look at our uh, a product of ours on mobile devices, our brand name takes up should I? I say, 40% of the title. So a lot of our keywords and use cases don't actually show on mobile. So what we did test was removing the brand name and leading with the use cases and the product keywords and it started converting better because nobody cared what our brand name was.

But if they're seeing that zip bag for Legos, for this, for this, and it's heavy duty and it's waterproof, that's what people want to see and it increased our click-through rates, which increased our conversions as well. So stuff like that and they're minute tests. But if you do that on a catalog and with products at a volume, it can be a massive scale. And when you realize that from a potential of okay, we have 800 ASINs, 50% of them increase in conversion rates by just 10, 20% I mean in click-through rates you're bringing in even way more traffic and if you hold your conversion rates, that increases your sales without having to do any change in bids and anything like that. So those key changes allow you to save your dollars but still gain on all that traffic.

Bradley Sutton:

Now, if I were to ask you your favorite Helium 10 tool, is it Cerebro, is it Adtomic? Is it Magnet? Chrome extension, what is it?

Joe:

I would say I love the Chrome extension because it helps me. If I go onto a competitor, straight away I see what they're lacking If they don't have 150 characters in their titles, if they don't have enough bullets, if they don't have, you know, enough bullets, if they don't have enough images. So the moment I see a competitor that doesn't check all the boxes that the Helium tool shows, I'm targeting them. Why? Because if you look at my products I have 10, you know most optimized on your thing. Then at the same time I look at keywords and it gives me a breakdown of how much revenue is in this keyword, how much revenue is in this industry. So before we go launch a specific product like we were launching an anti-slip tape because we want to add to our tape ranges so just looking at that, you'll look at that keyword anti-slip tape. It brings in 600 million a month from all these different competitors.

Now I can run those competitors through Black Box and I love Black Box as well because it helps me really fine tune what I'm targeting and who I'm looking for. So, I can say they get X amount of revenue monthly with X amount of reviews. Like I said, if they have anything below four, Black Box shows me those people. Those are easy people I can add to my product targeting campaigns and I know, because our listings are optimized, we'll easily take some sales from those people. Campaigns and I know, because our listings are optimized, we'll easily take some sales from those people. So, I would say the listing Blackbox and also the Chrome extension will be my two favorite.

Bradley Sutton:

All right. If anybody wants to find you on the interwebs out there, like on LinkedIn or somewhere like you open to saying how they can find you guys out there.

Joe:

Oh yes, of course, on LinkedIn obviously it's just Joe Sanhanga, my name, and then on Instagram it's j.sanhanga, which is my last name, s-a-n-h-a-n-g-a, and that's mostly where I am on social media. But any questions or whatever I can on LinkedIn, you can just pop it in and I'll try and help where I can.

Bradley Sutton:

Awesome, awesome. Well, thank you so much for coming on the show and hope to see you at an upcoming event soon then.

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Carrie Miller:

A new feature that Helium 10 customers have been asking for years is finally here. There is a new VAT tax policy that you need to pay attention to. Amazon warehouse distribution might be too full and TikTok rolls out new automated ad targeting this and more. On this week's episode of the Weekly Buzz.

Bradley Sutton:

How cool is that? Pretty cool, I think. Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of the Serious Sellers Podcast by Helium 10. I'm your host, Bradley Sutton, and this is the show. That is our Helium 10 Weekly Buzz, where we give you a rundown of all the news stories that are going on in the Amazon, Walmart, e-commerce world. We highlight the latest new feature alerts from Helium 10, and we review a training tip of the week that will give you serious strategies for serious sellers of any level in the e-commerce world. Now, today, our host is going to be Kerry Miller. So, Kerry, take it away and let us know what's buzzing.

Carrie Miller:

Let's go ahead and get into the first article. That's October Prime Day Big Deals, and we have an article that was released by Amazon and they announced that prime big deal days was its biggest October shopping event ever. Okay, so that's pretty exciting, especially going into Q4. Here. They said that more prime members shopped compared to last year and took advantage of early holiday deals, marking the kickoff to the holiday season with higher sales and more items sold during the two day event than any previous October shopping event. So that's very good news, I think, for a lot of us sellers. Globally, prime members saved more than $1 billion across millions of deals, including on seasonal merchandise and gifts, so it was definitely a good time for shoppers as well. And if we scroll down a little bit more in this article, it goes on to talk a little bit about the role that AI actually played in this event. So Rufus, which is the generative, ai powered conversational shopping assistant, helped millions of customers in the US answer questions on a variety of shopping needs and products in the Amazon store. Rufus can now help make tailored deal recommendations, making it easier to discover great gift ideas at a discount, and customers also use something else called inspire, which is an in app mobile experience that helps you discover new products with a personalized feed, amazon lens, which is a visual shopping tool that identifies objects and finds similar items on amazon, and then also they have something called the ai shopping guides, which basically leads us into our next article, which is amazon's new ai shopping guides that make it easier to research product types and buy smarter. So let's go ahead and talk a little bit about this.

Carrie Miller:

So Amazon has actually introduced AI shopping guides to simplify product research by consolidating key information and recommendations for over 100 product types. These guides use generative AI to deliver relevant details and product options quickly, making it generative AI to deliver relevant details and product options quickly, making it easier for customers to make informed purchase decisions. The AI guides are available on Amazon's mobile app and the website and are powered by Amazon's Bedrock large language models, enhancing their ability to offer personalized shopping results. So if you want to go ahead and take a look with me so we can see what this actually looks like, you can see right here that there's actually some recommendations to help shoppers to make better decisions. So, for example, if we go over to this one on the right, it says you know factors to consider the display type, the resolution, all of that great information so you can click on that and get more information about that. Or you can also go down. You can see that you can shop by popular brands, so you can click on the types of brands and then they'll also kind of have overview of the actual product. So this is quite interesting, making it, you know, kind of an interesting AI backed approach to this year's October event. So we'll probably see a lot more of this AI playing a part in the whole finding products, you know, on Amazon for customers. So we'll see how this goes and see how it improves our sales.

Carrie Miller:

So let's go ahead and get into the next thing and this is kind of word on the street Maybe there isn't really an article about it so I don't have anything to share with you but there are some changes to Amazon VAT or the Visa program. We do have some sources that say that Amazon has actually updated its VAT compliance requirements for sellers. So if you're part of the Amazon VAT information sharing agreement or visa program, amazon is no longer handling VAT compliance verification and now, even if you've already switched over to another provider, which I'm sure many of you already have. Sellers must actually inform Amazon about the change or you're gonna risk suspension, and this affects both US and European sellers, and it's similar to last year's seller verification process, where, when you fail to update the details, it led to account suspension. So you definitely want to take some action. If you need some more information about this, you can actually contact Avask. They're in our partner hub. You can find them at h10.me. Forward slash Avask and they can help answer any of your questions.

Carrie Miller:

All right, the next story is about Amazon warehouse distribution and whether or not it's actually full, and we're going to say AWD for short, which stands for Amazon warehouse distribution. We have heard from multiple customers in Amazon seller groups that they are getting messages from AWD saying things like this Sorry, this time we don't have enough space available for your inventory. We are unable to accept your shipment due to capacity limit. Try reducing your shipment volume or try again in seven days. Now I think this is a very big issue for AWD if they want sellers to start moving all of their logistics to AWD Now. I know a lot of sellers are trying to take advantage of this and Amazon maybe went pretty quick to market with this, but we really want to know in the comments if you've seen this message and what you're doing about it, and are you going to wait and send an inventory to the warehouse, or what are you going to do? What are your plans? Let us know in the comments below.

Carrie Miller:

All right for this next story, we have TikTok launching new automated ads. They're rolling them out for the holiday season, so let's go ahead and take a look at the article. So TikTok has announced a new fully automated ad solution called Smart Plus, which will take care of the whole creation from ad creation, placement and bidding process for you. So if we scroll down, you can see a little bit more about what actually the Smart Plus automated ads program is, so you can get more details there. But basically, tiktoks explained it as Smart Plus automates the performance advertising process across targeting, bidding and creative to deliver the right ad to the right person to offer the best performance. Advertisers simply input their assets, budget and targeting goals and smart plus automatically creates or selects the best creative asset. Okay, so basically they're kind of doing everything for you AI run, ai generated. I'm not sure how many of us feel about all this being kind of AI generated and not having any involvement in it, but it is kind of interesting to kind of run some of these ads in addition to the other ads that you might be advertising, and so let's go ahead and look at some of what they're saying. So advertisers using smart web campaigns to optimize for value have actually seen a 52% improvement in the return on ad spend. So that is actually really good news as well. And if we scroll down a little bit more, tiktok is also rolling out GMV Max, which automates TikTok shop campaign creation with the aim of increasing your TikTok shop gross merchandise value. And they further go on to say a little bit more about this down below here. They said GMV Max considerably simplifies ad operations, cutting campaign setup time in half, and allows sellers to reach their audience across all shoppable placements on TikTok, including the for you feed, shop tab and search within a single campaign. So go ahead and check those out. If you haven't checked out the TikTok ads. I definitely think it's a game changer and something you should really be taking advantage of in this Q4 season.

Carrie Miller:

Okay, next up, amazon global selling. Send rate rejection is happening for the US to UK shipments, so, in a bid to make international shipping more affordable, amazon has actually announced a reduction in send S E N D rates for FBA shipments from the US to the UK, and sellers can now save up to 15% compared to what it was in July. The program offers seamless seller central integration, custom support, competitive rates, door-to-door delivery and shipment tracking, and this move is set to streamline logistics for sellers looking to expand to the UK market, making it easier and more cost-effective to grow their business globally, so might be a really good time to think about expanding to the UK. Okay, this next article. It's from Amazon, and now you can actually reward customers for engaging with your ads. This is quite an interesting and exciting new kind of announcement and I will definitely answer some of your questions that you probably have about this. But Amazon is basically introducing a new feature that allows advertisers to reward customers for engaging with their ads, so now sellers can create campaigns that actually offer incentives like discounts or promotions when customers interact with their ads, making it easier to drive engagement and conversion. Now this innovative approach aims to enhance the customer experience while boosting ad performance, and the integration is designed to be seamless within the Amazon ads platform.

Carrie Miller:

So if we actually scroll down, you are going to be able to see what this creative looks like, and I'm going to just scroll. There's a little bit about the setup and I want to show you what it looks like. So, basically, what's going to happen is you're going to see within the searches or on your stores, there's these previews where you can get a $5 Amazon credit. So that is going to be kind of a big bold red thing on the actual. You know where people can click and you're going to be able to give that as an incentive for your products.

Carrie Miller:

And there are probably some questions, like I had. I had I said well, who's going to pay for the $5 credit? Well, the answer is definitely you. So at the very bottom, where it says where do I access it, it says the rewards ads experience is currently available via the Amazon DSP within a component-based creative ad template. Advertisers will be billed for the cost of the distributed or rewards. So there you go, you're going to be paying for those $5 credits or whatever it is that you're going to do. Advertisers also have access to two net new metrics, which is reward grants the number of rewards distributed and reward costs, which is the cost of rewards distributed. These metrics are currently available within the ADSP campaign builder dashboards, but are not available via public API. So definitely go ahead and check it out. That's where you're going to really find all that information. So I am really actually curious to know how many of you think you would use this and do you think you might raise your prices to be able to take advantage of this. It's kind of an interesting thing, especially with margins kind of being a lot lower for a lot of people. So we'll see how that actually turns out. So go ahead and check that out, if you haven't already checked it out.

Carrie Miller:

Okay, the next story is very important to know, and that is the returns window for Amazon is going to be extended for the 2024 holidays. So Amazon is actually extending its holiday returns window for 2024. Items purchased between November 1st and December 31st of 2024 can be returned until January 31st of 2025, except for Apple products, which have a return deadline of January 15th of 2025. This extended policy applies to all seller fulfilled FBA and Amazon retail orders. Now, while the returns window is longer, eligibility rules remain unchanged, and this extension is aiming to make holiday shopping more convenient for our customers. Okay, and the next piece of news there is a depreciation announcement reminder Sponsored display version two reporting endpoints will shut off October 31st 2024. So Amazon is set to depreciate its sponsored display version 2 reporting endpoints, with a complete shutdown planned for October 31st of 2024. Advertisers should transition to the new version 3 reporting endpoints to continue accessing sponsored display reports. Until then, expect increased throttling on the old version, and amazon encourages feedback on this change through its ads API support page on by October 15th of 2024. So for more details on all that, you can go to amazon's migration page.

Carrie Miller:

Okay, so all those news stories were very exciting, but I think we have even more exciting news within helium 10 with our new features now. This next feature is something that a lot of people have been asking for, and I am very, very excited to announce it, because I've been asked this question for years actually, and we've been working on it for a long time. So I'm going to go ahead and share my screen. So this is just a search of coffin shelf and what I'm going to do is I'm going to actually go ahead and I'm going to pull our x-ray extension. Okay, so what I want to show you, which is already kind of clearly here, is I basically take this is our Manny's Mysterious Oddities product and I'm just going to expand this down and it's basically going to show us the variation sales strength with a graph. Okay, so this is basically showing you which of the variations have the most sales. So, for example, variation sales strength for this black one is obviously the big seller for us, and then you can see that there's a very, very tiny sliver of the pie here for purple, and then also a very sliver piece of the pie, maybe a little bit more, for the pink. So we can see that the top seller is the black one, then the pink one and then the purple one. So this is some great news and it's really kind of actually a teaser. Really, this is going to be a teaser for something that we're even getting for you even more data. So stay tuned for the launch of that. But in the meantime now you can see which variation, or child variation ASINs have the most sales.

Carrie Miller:

This next feature announcement for Helium 10 is very exciting, and that is that Atomic is now included in the diamond plan. So now you don't have to pay separately for it, it's going to be all included with the diamond plan, and with that we've actually launched advertising AI. So you know, if you don't know a bunch about PPC or you don't feel very strongly about it, you can actually give Atomic your ASIN and your ACoS goals and that's it. And Helium 10 will create your campaigns and optimize them by itself. So I'm going to actually show you how this works by sharing my screen. Okay, so if you go into Atomic, you're going to click on Atomic and go down here to the bottom, where it's the AI advertising very bottom icon and all you would do is you would click on your product goal and you're going to select your ASIN, say, you're going to do this one, you're going to set your ACoS goal and your daily budget and, if you want to, you can add some keywords in there and then you're going to basically go ahead and launch that campaign. So we're going to go into detail on how sellers can use Adtomic and save time and money in a live workshop with expert Destiny with Sean on the 22nd of October, so mark your calendars for that. We're going to be doing an in-depth PPC webinar, you know, for beginners, to help you to understand and use ad atomic better and more efficiently.

Carrie Miller:

Next, we actually have an announcement. That is, our monthly freedom ticket training with Kevin King. So Kevin King is actually bringing on Mark Degrassi I'm not actually sure how you say his name, but Mark Degrassi, I think, is how you say it he's going to be actually talking about why branding has always been your biggest marketing problem and how AI is going to solve it. I actually did see him speak at one of Kevin's events and he's very, very good. So to register for this special training, you can go to the link below.

Carrie Miller:

Okay, and another announcement that we have which is very, very exciting is that our next Helium 10 Elite Workshop is going to be in Milan, Italy, on November 11th. Bradley is going to be speaking there, Mansour is going to be speaking, Jana, who also does kind of listing optimization in other languages, and a few more top level speakers are going to be in attendance and speaking at this event. Elite members actually can go for free. So elite members just need to check the Facebook group for their free code, but everyone else you can actually attend, still for a fee. So just go to h10.me forward slash Milan to get your tickets before it sells out Right now. We have it on an 80% of the regular price special right now. So if you want to buy those tickets. You can go ahead and get them for a reduced price.

Carrie Miller:

And, last but not least, I'm very excited to go into our training tip of the week, which is our inventory heat maps. Okay, so inventory heat maps are available in helium 10. I'm sharing my screen now and this is actually in profits, and what you would do is you go to the heat maps and you're going to click on inventory heat map. You can change what to whatever product you want. So this is our coffin shelf, so we have our coffin shelf selected and you can actually see where our inventory is located in every single part of the United States right here. So this is a really, really helpful tool, especially going into the holiday season, where you can actually, you know, see where your inventory is.

Carrie Miller:

And something else that we do have in conjunction with that is the sales heat map, so you can actually see where the majority of your sales are in this heat map and you can go back and say is my inventory kind of matching up with those areas? Or maybe there's some areas where your sales are kind of up or have been in the past, but maybe they are not stocked with inventory. So you can go ahead and stock them with inventory, but go ahead and check out this inventory heat maps. Maybe, if you need some more distribution, you can figure out ways to kind of push inventory to other areas of the US and so that you can expand your reach. That is basically all that we have for this week's episode of the Weekly Buzz.

Carrie Miller:

So what I would actually like for you to do if you have not done this, we do have a YouTube channel, and so we would love for you to go ahead and subscribe to our YouTube channel. We do lots of great updates, we do the Weekly Buzz on there, but we also have a lot of great training for helium 10 and just selling on Amazon in general. Lots of incredible information. So subscribe to our YouTube channel so that you can be the first to know the up-to-date information about selling on Amazon and other platforms. We look forward to seeing you next week again on the Weekly Buzz. I do believe Bradley will be back, so we'll see you again next week to see what's buzzing.

What if you could revolutionize your Amazon business with cutting-edge AI tools? Join us as we uncover the latest advancements from the Amazon Accelerate event in Seattle, with exclusive insights from Andrea Marquez of Amazon’s This Is Small Business podcast. We dive into the game-changing world of AI-generated A+ content, as well as the exciting debut of Project Amelia, Amazon's generative AI that promises to transform seller capabilities.

Our discussion takes you to the heart of Amazon's evolution in supporting sellers, highlighting the critical role of video content and improved analytics. Explore new tools designed to help brands create high-quality video content, alongside a detailed look at the updates that brands can benefit from. We also shine a light on Amazon's "Sellers in Your Community" initiative and hear the inspiring stories of Amazon entrepreneurs and their impact on communities.

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In this special episode, a couple of key players from Amazon Corporate join us to discuss some brand new functions released for sellers, including one that gives us unprecedented ability to identify and target our repeat customers.

What if harnessing the power of Amazon’s vast data pool could revolutionize your e-commerce strategy? In this episode recorded live from Amazon Accelerate, we introduce a couple of cutting-edge tools, Amazon Business Planner, Customer Loyalty Analytics, and Customer Journey Analytics, designed to transform Amazon brands’ approach to their operations marketing. Our special guests, James Casazza and Wei Li, prominent figures from Amazon Corporate, share how these new tools offer brands the ability to set goals, receive personalized action plans, and effectively manage their business data with self-service capabilities. This episode unpacks how brands can gain confidence and clarity amidst the overwhelming flow of information, aligning their strategies seamlessly with their business objectives.

In episode 602 of the Serious Sellers Podcast, Bradley, James, and Wei discuss:

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Bradley Sutton:

Today's a special episode, as a couple of key players from Amazon Corporate are with us on the show to talk about some brand new functions released for sellers, including one that gives us unprecedented ability to identify and target our repeat customers. How cool is that? Pretty cool, I think Sellers have lost thousands of dollars by not knowing that they were hijacked, perhaps on their Amazon listing, or maybe somebody changed their main image, or Amazon changed their shipping dimension so they had to pay extra money every order. Helium 10 can actually send you a text message or email if any of these things or other critical events happen to your Amazon account. For more information, go to h10.me forward slash alerts. 

Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of the Serious Sellers podcast by Helium 10. I'm your host, Bradley Sutton, and this is the show that is a special episode recorded live at Amazon Accelerate. 

This was done in Seattle a few weeks ago and, as you probably have seen from other episodes, we had a lot of new releases, of new data points and new functionality that Amazon is releasing. Shout out, first of all, to Addy from Amazon, who helped us hook us up with some of these interviews but we had the privilege of being able to interview a couple of the key people that are involved in the ideation and implementation of some of these new tools, and so in this episode, we're going to go over a couple of things in from Business Planner, which is something new, and also customer loyalty analytics, which might blow your mind as far as the kind of targeting ability and being able to understand, you know, how your customers go through the funnel. I think it's going to be interesting because, you know, a few years ago we would have never thought that Amazon would release this kind of data to sellers, so it's really awesome that they're doing that and we get to talk to the person responsible for the creation of this. So let's go ahead and hop into the episode

Bradley Sutton:

So I'd like to first start off with just getting your background. We're obviously here in Seattle right now. Where were you born and raised? 

James:

So I'm from New York originally. I grew up about an hour outside New York City, really close to my grandparents' dairy farm. But for the last 20 years, I've lived outside Detroit. After college, I moved up there. 

Bradley Sutton:

Hold on a quick second. This is an important question. Somebody who lives in New York. They move somewhere else. Are you a New York sports fan or a Detroit sports fan? 

James:

So I've kept loyal to my New York teams. It's a little difficult because especially now the football season started, keeping up after the Giants and Jets is keeping your head low and the Lions finally have something to be excited about. But I'm a proud father to three boys and I will say they all have their Aiden Hutchinson jerseys on. We're really excited last season and looking forward to this one. 

Bradley Sutton:

Awesome, awesome. So you were talking about. You graduated university. What direction did your career take you in that? 

James:

So early in my career, I worked in automotive, digital marketing, and then in the social media industry, and I really found a passion for using software and technology to help independent businesses reach their consumers, really connect, and ultimately drive their success, and that led me to Amazon. So I've been with Amazon for just over six years now. I'm currently a senior manager of product management in the Selling Partner Experience organization, and, while that's a bit of a mouthful, what it means is that I'm really working on building the tools that sellers are using to run their business and ultimately thrive in the Amazon store. Recently, my team worked on a complete redesign of the Seller Central homepage, which rolled out late last year, and today I'm excited to join you and talk about the next exciting tool that we're building, called Business Planner, which brings self-service capabilities to sellers to plan their business, set goals and objectives and receive a personalized action plan that will help them attain their goals in the store. 

Bradley Sutton:

Awesome. Now, I think that most brands would agree with me in that there is no other mechanism of selling whether we're talking brick and mortar, whether we're talking online that provides as much data as Amazon does to its brands. It's really incredible. I think sometimes we're spoiled, those who start on Amazon. They don't know how it is or how it used to be when you're trying to make money, and so I can totally understand that. Hey, with all this data, there's going to be some insights that can come from it. So what about the timing? Why did you decide, hey, now is the right time to go ahead and launch this new tool. 

James:

Yeah, so the idea for Business Planner actually started at Accelerate in 2023. I was talking to a number of different sellers and really this theme came out about the data that you're talking about. One seller likened it to being dying of thirst they're just so hungry to know what to do, and yet they're standing next to a fire hydrant. It's just spouting all this data at them. And so the question they had was like help me organize this, help me decide what's most important so that I can act confidently and know that that's aligned with the goals that I have for my business. 

And so, while Amazon is providing plenty of reports and recommendations, it's really difficult to summarize or interpret that and get to an action plan. And we know that because sellers are working with account managers or even finding really productive partnerships with third-party software providers to help make sense of this data. And so our goal is to help democratize this access to data and bring the type of planning that sellers do offline when they're setting quarterly or yearly objectives and then want to track that and some may have teams that are doing customer acquisition or operations. They might be the individual's performance goals. We want to bring that offline planning into our tools so that sellers can easily keep track of where they're at and act confidently to drive their success. 

Bradley Sutton:

You know, obviously, as brands, we have a lot of our own data, but I believe that this tool is also bringing in aggregated data from other sources, not just what's happening with your own listings. Is that correct? 

James:

That's right. So throughout this process we've talked to so many sellers and I've just been impressed with the passion they have and the interest and the different opportunities that they're taking to bring insights and data analysis to really help them decide how to act. So with Business Planner, we're bringing together the power of data from thousands of different listings and all the customer activity in the Amazon store to create personalized action plans that will help sellers to achieve their goals. So they'll have a single place to go to benchmark their performance, identify their largest opportunities and then to generate a step-by-step action plan that aligns with the things that matter most to them. So, whether you're a new seller just getting started out in the Amazon store or you're an established brand with a healthy business that is ready to go to the next level, they can get a personalized plan that's specific to them and the goals that they want to achieve in the Amazon store. 

Bradley Sutton:

Now, you mentioned you worked on the Seller Central homepage. Now on the homepage there's already kind of like recommendations that might come through. There's a whole growth opportunity section. So how does this new feature here compare to what's already out there, and is it better? 

James:

So we're trying to take a best of both worlds approach. So when I think about the recommendations on the homepage and growth opportunities, it makes me think of a buffet where there's so many different options and there'll be like lots of tasty treats and plenty of nourishment there. So there's lots of good things there. But if you're trying to take like a structured plan, maybe instead you work with a nutritionist who's going to first ask you some questions about what's important to you. Are you training for the Olympics? Are you trying to slim down by a few pounds, like what is really your goal here? 

Bradley Sutton:

That's what I'm going to say. I'm going to say, hey, I'm training for the Olympics. That's why I'm eating so much food at this point. 

James:

Exactly, exactly, no-transcript in those other experiences and then also providing you with detailed tracking so you can see as the days and weeks go by, are you actually getting towards that goal? 

Bradley Sutton:

Let me piggyback on something you just mentioned there pulling data from some of those other recommendations. What exactly is driving other than just raw data? That's what does a lot of data there. I'm assuming maybe AI has some component of it, absolutely so. 

James:

I think AI is a really powerful tool because it can crunch massive amounts of data and identify patterns and discrepancies. So perhaps the seller is underperforming in their ads campaigns. We might be able to come back with specific keyword optimization recommendations and then they can increase their ad attributed sales and grow revenue. Or we might spot a change in demand for key ASINs that would require a different inventory strategy and it might be an opportunity for the seller to reduce their FBA fees and reduce costs of maintaining their current business. And so by applying machine learning and AI to that massive amount of data, we can kind of slim that down into a specific plan of action for the seller and by starting with the goals that they set. We're no longer in this business of kind of predicting what the seller might want. We start by asking the question and then we have a lot more confidence that, because the seller has set the goal, that when we come back with an action plan it's actually right for them and where they want to take their business. 

Bradley Sutton:

Awesome, awesome. Now for those who maybe haven't seen it yet in their Seller Central dashboard, where can they find this? Walk us through a little bit of a scenario, maybe, how they can see yeah, absolutely. 

James:

So Business Planner is going to be rolling out in the US store in just a couple of weeks. So later this month you'll start to see a tile on the homepage in that recommendation section that you talked about. It'll also show up on the left side menu of growth opportunities. From there you can access Business Planner, which is your dashboard for action planning. When you first visit, we'll have some recommended goals. So that's where we've assessed how the seller's performing, set some benchmarks and looked for the strongest opportunities where they can improve their performance. We'll rank those based on how big the impact is. So the most impactful goal will be at kind of the top left of that page and if that goal aligns with the objective that the seller has, they can click on it and see details about the plan. So maybe it's a four-week plan or a 12-week plan to increase their ad-attributed sales, because we see that as the largest opportunity and they'll be able to review the details and if they want to move forward, they just click to create a plan. 

And this is where the really exciting part happens. That's where the AI steps in and kind of scans across all those different recommendations, opportunities, and where we see the most potential to achieve that goal. So in this case seller is trying to increase their ad-attributed sales. We might come back with some specific product level ad campaign recommendations or keyword optimization. We put that into like a step-by-step plan and so the seller from the Business Planner can then look into that plan. There'll be graphs right on the page where they can see their current performance, what the target's going to be, and then a list of those recommendations that's organized and sorted for them. 

One of the special things about Business Planner is that it's constantly updating as much as once a day. It'll pull in new recommendations or reprioritize what's there because of progress that the sellers made, new opportunities that emerge Perhaps all of a sudden keyword traffic and customers are searching for new products on Amazon and that might change. 

The order of recommendations will reflect that in the business plan. So it's a it's a living thing that they can check back to and and going to show them that next best action they can take to ultimately achieve that objective. And then you know, once we've reached the end of the plan, we'll show that completed goal right and the experience with a record of all the things they did, and I think that's really important to sort of earn trust with the sellers that you know some of these things might require a little bit of an additional investment or might go against the common knowledge of how to be successful in the store. But I'm confident that, as we, you know, offer these plans because we're starting from what's most important to the sellers, that they'll see that that's helping them achieve their unique objectives and make their business as successful as possible in the store. 

Bradley Sutton:

Okay. Now, when I was looking over some of the notes on this new tool, you mentioned a scenario with advertising, but I believe there's also another scenario where even it could get to something that has nothing to do with advertising, but like your A+ content. So I was trying to wrap my head around how that would work. So if I already I mean obviously, if I don't have A+ content the suggestion would be hey, get A+ content going. And now there's AI tools that help with that that we've talked about here at Amazon Accelerate this year. But if I already have A+ content, is this AI detecting like, hey, this might not be the most optimized and you need to tweak it, or what's it doing then? 

James:

Yeah. So it's going to look throughout the sales funnel that you might see for a product. It might look at search activity glance views at the detail page and then I think a key lever for sellers is are they converting those views and visits to their products into sales? And so it might come back with a recommendation to tweak that content to better align with the search terms that customers are using. Or it might see a strategy where they could increase their featured offer win rate and ultimately convert more of those customers into buyers. And that's where the AI is powerful. 

It's going to look across those different opportunities and see where can we create the most leverage, and it was important to us as we were building Business Pointer. It's not just going to come with recommendations that might require some additional investment from sellers. So at launch, one of the things that we're including is a set of cost reduction goals, and that's where we might look at inventory levels and fee structures and recommend either promotions and deals or a different stocking strategy to the seller that can help them reduce their costs to serve and be more profitable in the similar All right, excellent. 

Bradley Sutton:

So, regardless of what it is, whether we're talking A+ content, whether we're talking advertised I set a goal, I implemented it. You mentioned tracking the progress. How can I see how I'm you know my road to that? 

James:

Yeah, absolutely so. This is where we want to bring in some like detailed data visualization. So when you come back to Business Planner, you click into the goal that you're tracking against, we'll have a big chart on the page with your progress, the projection of where you're going to end up, and also allow you to do some comparisons against a historical period so that you can see am I really outperforming, am I getting the gains? So back to your training for the Olympics. We want to see that your sprint times are coming down or your weight lifts are increasing in weight, and it's the same thing here. So if we're trying to improve our ads attributed sales we want to make progress on that metric. If we want to reduce our costs, we should expect to see our inventory performance index improve and by providing that granular view into the metrics, we can show that the seller is progressing towards their objective. 

Bradley Sutton:

Excellent, all right, so now I'm inspired by listening to this podcast and I'm ready to go in. Maybe by the time they're listening to this, maybe it is available already in Seller Central. If I'm just getting started, what's maybe the first thing I should do, or what's the best way to get started with this? 

James:

Yeah. So we want Business Planner to be a regular thing and we think that sellers will start to use it as it aligns with their monthly or quarterly business planning. So my first recommendation is check it out. Either go through the recommendations on the Seller Central homepage or go to growth opportunities and look for Business Planner in that left menu and you can start browsing those recommended goals. Those will update at least once a week with the latest and greatest opportunities that we see for you as a specific seller and based on, like your business and your opportunity, and then, once you find the plan that makes sense to you and you kick that off, you know, check back regularly. Those action plan items might update as much as once a day. So we want this to be a kind of like a regular part of your journey as a seller and a regular part of the tools that you might use on Seller Central. 

Bradley Sutton:

Well, thank you so much for bringing this tool, thank you so much for coming on the show and talking about it, and I'm excited to use it myself, and I'm sure a lot of the brands out there will be excited. And I can empathize with you about the New York teams. I mean, I'm a Chargers and Clippers fan, so I'm a glutton for punishment myself. So thanks a lot for doing it. Yeah, thank you so much for being here. This was fantastic actually. This she doesn't know I'm going to say this, but this was the highlight for me, for actually Amazon Accelerate was being able to interview our next guest, who I am super excited to meet her, not only her, but also especially what she's going to be talking about. So, Wei, welcome, welcome, thank you. Thank you for meeting with me. 

Wei:

Thank you for having me. 

Bradley Sutton:

Now let's what I do with all of my guests. I like to get the backstory a little bit, so where were you born and raised? 

Wei:

Definitely. I was born and raised in Beijing. I moved from Beijing to Chicago actually in 2003 for graduate school, so before Amazon, I worked for some of the big names like Merrill Lynch, KPMG. I have also worked for a number of startup companies in the fintech, pharmaceutical and supply chain companies. I joined Amazon in 2011. I have spent most of my time here with a selling partner services organization. Currently, I lead the selling partner growth analytics team, and our team built a few that I was on. 

Our team built a few seller-facing applications in Seller Central and your comment earlier. I actually I'm a mom of three outside of work and I have a seven-year-old, a six-year-old and a baby under one. 

Bradley Sutton:

Yeah, wow, that's awesome, awesome. I miss those days. My kids are both. My kids are both in their twenties now and so, like I talked, when I talked to parents, when I talked to parents who still, I was like, oh man, you don't know how lucky you are to have kids at that age, because I wish I could go back in time Now, going back, one thing you said. You said you came to graduate school in Chicago. Which school did you go to? 

Wei:

Yeah. So I got two masters, one from Illinois Institute of Technology and got my quantitative finance degree there. 

Bradley Sutton:

And that's also Quantitative. I don't even know what that means. 

Wei:

And then I received an MBA from UChicago. 

Bradley Sutton:

Okay, excellent, excellent. You talk about your career there and on Amazon. You're very humble about the department you work at, but, guys, this is the department that I think not just me but every Amazon seller is so thankful for, which you're responsible for things like the search, career, performance and all these other amazing things that I think is so important, because brands, I think, have been spoiled by Amazon in the last couple of years with all the data that they get. They don't realize that if you were selling on Amazon, maybe like five, 10 years ago, some of the stuff that you guys are providing, you actually had to pay like thousands and thousands of dollars and most didn't even qualify to get it. So, first of all, again, thank you so much for what you do at your department. Now let's just talk about that a little bit Like how do you guys approach, what kind of analytical tools, what kind of information you're going to provide brands in? 

Wei:

a few different domains. So, first of all, we provide a traffic and sales data through Business Report, which is one of the most visited tools in Seller Central. Additionally, we also provide this tool called Opportunity Explorer. So Opportunity Explorer is a selection analytics tool. It helps sellers identify new selection to sell in Amazon store. Additionally, we also provide this tool called Search Analytics Dashboard. That is where we can provide some of the data on traffic, with an emphasis on search keywords. Lastly, but not the least, is the Customer Analytics Dashboard. For Customer Analytics Dashboard, I'm actually very excited to announce some new launches here. 

So we started out by building dashboards about customers and their purchase behavior. We have demographic dashboards to tell you who your customers are. We have repeat purchase dashboard that tells you how often customers purchase from your brand. Additionally, we have this third dashboard called Market Basket Dashboard. It tells you what products your customers would purchase together with your brands. It unlocks some of the cross-selling opportunities. Since then, we have also received feedback from your brands. It unlocks some of the cross-selling opportunities. Since then, we have also received feedback from the brands. They want to take a customer-centered approach. So last year we launched a customer loyalty dashboard. It gives the brand a segmented view to understand who are your existing customers, from top tier to promising to at risk and hibernating customers. And then this year we're launching customer journey dashboard that allows a brand to understand your customer's entire shopping journey, from first moment they start to search for your brand to the moment when they make that final purchase. With these two dashboards, our goal is to lower the customer acquisition cost as well as increase the customer lifetime value. 

Bradley Sutton:

This is really important because actually, this part of all the analytical tools I probably know the least about. I'm so obsessive about search query performance and search volume and keyword data, but I think now 2024 and then going to 2025, brands really need to understand the customer and people are thinking too much just about the algorithm or things like that, but at the end of the day, we're not selling to the algorithm, we're selling to a human being, and so some of these data points that you're talking about is really important. I'm happy to, I'm really excited to learn about them today. Now, one thing you mentioned, you know, about different customers, like you mentioned, like top tier and things you know, like this might be familiar to some out there and I know you're probably going to talk about it, but we had the brand tailor promotions and we could see some of these different audience groups, now, those who might not be familiar with it. Can you talk a little bit about these customer audience types? You mentioned top tier, but there's a lot of other ones out there too. 

Wei:

Absolutely so. We help brand segment your existing customer base and we actually use a pretty standard methodology, is called RFM. R stands for Recency it describes when did your customer make the last purchase from your brand. F stands for Frequency it describes how frequently customers purchase from your brand. And lastly, m stands for Monetary Spend it talks about how much does the customer spend purchasing your products. 

We use a quantile-based approach and equally divide your customers into groups along these three dimensions recency, frequency as well as monetary spend. This allows us to group your customers into four segment top tier, promising, at risk, as well as a hibernating. By top tier customers those are the customers who purchased from your brand recently, but they may be purchasing at varying frequency and they spend varying amount. At risk customers they made a purchase but they don't purchase frequently. They also spend varying amount of money on your brand. And hibernating customers are those customers who have already churned. Equipped with this knowledge, brand can then deploy different promotion and marketing tools to re-engage these customers and thereby encourage repeat purchase and drive customer lifetime value. 

Bradley Sutton:

Interesting.First of all, I was today years old when I heard the word quantile, so you're already teaching me new vocabulary lessons. 

I realize how not smart I am when it comes to math and this kind of things, but what you know, I think the main thing that people can take away is how important it is to kind of like bucket your customers into these different brackets, because you know, somebody who's hibernating is obviously a different kind of customer, a different value to one as one who is at risk or some of the others that you mentioned, and so it's important to be able to just not consider all of our brands customers. Hey, they're exactly the same, and I think that's what a lot of brands, or especially newer brands, might be doing. Like, all my customers are the same, but no, not all customers are created equally. Let's talk about the new and potential customers. We've got the ones we've had existing, like Hibernating and things like that, and who have been part of your brand. But I think all brands are really especially concerned about hey, how do I bring new customers into the fold? And so talk to us about the new and potential customers. 

Wei:

We show the new and potential customers in the brand view of the customer loyalty dashboard. New customers are the ones who have made the first purchase in the last 12 months and potential customers are those customers who have not made the purchase but has engaged with your brands in some ways. For example, they may have viewed your product detail page, read customer reviews or added your products to their shopping cart or save them for later. The idea there is we want to allow brands to set up uh promotion tools to target these potential customers and convert them all All right Now, about 40 years ago. 

Bradley Sutton:

if we use this term cart abandoner, somebody might think of somebody who went to the grocery store and then took the cart home and then left it in the street. But when we're talking about cart abandoners on Amazon completely different meaning it's actually my favorite group of customers. For those who aren't familiar with that term, can you explain who that refers to? 

Wei:

Yes, absolutely. It is actually one of the new audiences that we launched this year. Cart abandoners are those customers who added your products into their shopping cart but has not made the purchase in the last 90 days. 

Bradley Sutton:

Now it's amazing, because this is why I think it's so important that somebody thinks, uh, more holistically about customers, because we can't think that everybody's like us as a buyer, like me, as an Amazon customer I am. I am never a cart abander, like if I add something to the cart, I buy it, like I add it to the cart and then I check out. But then I thought everybody was like me, but actually not. You're not like me, probably I'm the opposite. 

Wei:

I actually, I actually added to the cart and I observe uh, when does the price drop? 

Bradley Sutton:

and so many people are like you. Yes, I heard other people. You tell me if this is you too, but other people they're searching for like a teacup or something like that, and they'll actually add five different ones to the cart and then make the decision about do you do that one too? Sometimes, see, I don't do any of this, and so I was thinking when I first saw the numbers of this, it was just flabbergasting. I was like I cannot believe how many people are cart abandoners. And then I just started asking friends and family and I guess I was the weird one and you guys are the normal ones. But yeah, that is a huge audience and a very valuable audience. So all of these audience types, at the end of the day, what we're talking about here is we're trying to send promotions to them in different ones. So how do we send promotions to these different audiences? 

Wei:

Absolutely so. Today, you're able to send tailored promotions to these different audiences, and promotions are then become available to customers through search result page. I do want to share with you that as a team, we're constantly thinking about new tools that sellers can leverage or brands can leverage. So in the future, we might incorporate new tools such as coupons, Amazon buying, A+, detail page, and Manage Your Experiments, so that brands can leverage different tools to engage with their customers and help them convert. 

Bradley Sutton:

Excellent, excellent. Now I think one question I've gotten a lot before from different brands is hey, if I set up a promotion that's going to one of these audiences being the cart abandoners or some other audience, how do they actually see the promotions? 

Wei:

Promotions will show up for these customers in the search results page or the product detail page. 

Bradley Sutton:

Okay, so now we're looking at an example of one of these graphs here, and there's a part here that says trends. So can you explain what is this representing? 

Wei:

Definitely. The trend graph actually allow you to compare different metrics, for example, your total customers, total sales, new-to-brand customers, new-to-brand sales. Brands can then compare and contrast and observe how these metrics change over time. 

Bradley Sutton:

All right, next question. Here I can see we have a Segment view and a Brand view. Can you explain the difference between those? 

Wei:

Absolutely so earlier we mentioned that we will share with brands about their existing customer base top tier customer, promising, customer at risk, as well as a hibernating customer. Brand view gives you data for the entire brand, and segment view actually allows you to dive deeper into each segment. On both brand view and segment view, we will provide recommended actions that you can take to drive conversion and increase repeat purchase. Additionally, one thing I would love to call out is segment view actually gives you a predicted customer lifetime value. We use a science model to predict how likely a customer is going to purchase from your brand again and we further segment each segment based on whether the customer lifetime value is going to grow, maintain or decline. 

Bradley Sutton:

Wow, that's interesting. Let's talk a little bit more about this, because I think there's some brands out there who might have a product where you know what it's a vacuum. Maybe they're just going to buy the one vacuum and 10 years later maybe they'll buy another vacuum. There's others who have maybe are in the supplements, the health and household category, the beauty category, where they're very reliant on repeat purchases. So this, this lifetime value, is definitely something near and dear to their heart. But you're saying that using uh models, you can actually kind of predict some of the potential lifetime value. Can you talk a little bit more about that? 

Wei:

Absolutely so. We use this size-based model, and the model input considers a variety of features such as customer's profile, their browsing behavior, how they have interacted with your brands or product in the past, and then the output of the model is how likely they're going to purchase from your brand again in the next 12 months, and we will then be able to say whether the customer lifetime value is going to grow, maintain or decline as a result of that. Brands will then have further segmentation within each customer segment each customer segment. So now brands can actually launch tailored promotion specifically targeting, for example, the top tier customers, those top tier customers where their lifetime value is predicted to decline. This will allow brands to prevent these customers from churning.

This is available already today. 

Bradley Sutton:

I've been missing the boat on that one. I need to go ahead and start implementing that, because that's very definitely invaluable. So what are the actions that brands should be doing that we do have available? I'm obviously missing that last one, but what are some more things that we need to be leveraging right now? 

Wei:

So brands can achieve a number of different goals through customer loyalty dashboard, for example, if you're a brand who are trying to drive conversion and acquire new customers, it would be a good idea to think about advertising campaign and boost awareness. You can also launch a tailored promotion, as we talked about earlier, focusing, say, on cart abandoner to encourage customers to convert and make their purchase. And if your goal is to drive loyalty and encourage repeat purchases, it would be a good idea to focus on top tier customers as well as promising customers. And, additionally, we have these promotion tools where you can focus on those customers whose lifetime value is predicted to maintain or decline and encourage them to purchase more from your brand your brand. 

Bradley Sutton:

Now I just want to take a moment to talk to the listeners out there who might not understand how crazy it is that this kind of data is being available. This is the kind of data that companies who are selling on other channels are paying a lot of agencies, tens and hundreds of thousand dollars and it's not even that great of information, because a lot of it is just trying to predict things where they might not have that information. It's just based on perhaps some surveys and things, but this is Amazon itself, who has access to all of this data and it's giving you firsthand this kind of information. Guys, if you are not leveraging this information, you are missing out on a ton of valuable information, so make sure to use this Now. This has been great. A lot of what you just mentioned is available as of now, but right here during Amazon Accelerate, you actually even announced some new and exciting more things that are coming to the platform. Can you talk about some of those launches coming to the platform? 

Wei:

Can you talk about some of those launches? Absolutely, I am super, super excited. So customer loyalty dashboard the goal there is to help brands understand their existing customers so that brands can engage with these customers at the right time with a right product. However, brand frequently ask for information about what's happening in the upper funnel. We are launching this new dashboard called the Customer Journey Analytics. So Customer Journey Analytics allows brands to map the end-to-end customer journey with data and analytics, as well as recommendations. It allows brands to visualize how customers go from becoming aware of your brand all the way to consideration, maybe intent to purchase, to finally making that purchase and become a new customer to your brand. 

Bradley Sutton:

Wow, I'm excited to see how that's gonna work, because I think that's what we would always have always wanted that kind of information, kind of guess about it, like, all right, that's how you know, that's why I'm doing my advertising in this sense, and it's going to pay back, uh, you know in this sense, and that's why I need to have them see it this many times but to be able to actually have real data to see, that's going to be, I think, a game changer for, uh, Amazon brands out there. Well, thank you so much for launching these things. Like I said, your department is my favorite. I was about to say the best, but then I have a lot of friends at Amazon so I can't completely say that or else they might get mad at me. But my personal favorite tools definitely come from your department, and so please, please, keep giving us brands this great information. We really, really appreciate it, and thank you so much for what you've launched this week at Amazon Accelerate. I'm sure all the brands are really gonna appreciate all of this data. 

Wei:

Thank you.

We’re back with another episode of the Weekly Buzz with Helium 10’s Senior Evangelist, Shivali Patel. Every week, we cover the latest breaking news in the Amazon, Walmart, and E-commerce space, talk about Helium 10’s newest features, and provide a training tip for the week for serious sellers of any level.

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Amazon's MCF fulfilling orders for popular social channels, incoming holiday peak fulfillment fees and, finally, that dual coupon feature you've requested being implemented. This and more on this week's episode of the Weekly Buzz.

Bradley Sutton:

How cool is that? Pretty cool, I think. Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of the Serious Sellers Podcast by Helium 10. I am your host, Bradley Sutton, and this is the show. That is our Helium 10 Weekly Buzz, where we give you a rundown of all the new stories that are going on in the Amazon, Walmart and e-commerce world. We highlight the latest new feature alerts from Helium 10, and we review a training tip of the week that will give you serious strategies for serious sellers of any level in the e-commerce world. Today, our host is going to be Shivali Patel and so Shivali, take it away and let us know what's buzzing.

Shivali Patel:

First up, we have a few news pieces directly from Seller Central News To start. An exciting enhancement to Amazon's Multi-Channel Fulfillment, or MCF. Amazon's MCF now enables sellers to automatically fulfill orders from popular social commerce platforms like TikTok, Instagram and Pinterest using your Fulfillment by Amazon inventory. This means, for those of you that were perhaps manually fulfilling orders up until now for TikTok shop can now transition to more effortlessly expanding your brands, maintaining accurate inventory tracking and quicker order processing. Or imagine just running a promotion on Instagram knowing that your orders are being handled seamlessly through Amazon's system. This can help you capture even more sales opportunities across different channels, keeping you ahead of your competitors. To streamline this process, amazon recommends that you utilize tools like Webby LingSing or Connector by Silk. These platforms can help you connect your social media accounts to your Amazon Seller Central with ease and, in my opinion, a great strategic move to enhance your order fulfillment capabilities, position your business for growth and encourage you to meet customers where they're most active, and that is social channels.

Shivali Patel:

Then we have Amazon actually just announced its new dual coupon feature that many of you have been requesting. You can now offer both subscribe and save and reorder coupons on the same ASIN. Previously, sellers could only use one coupon per ASIN, which limited promotional strategies, and now eligible customers can choose between a 10% off free order coupon for a one-time purchase or a 20% off subscribe and save coupon for those who want to subscribe for regular deliveries. I can see this making a dent in impacting the quantity of repeat purchases and facilitating brand loyalty, as well as, if you are a seller, the ability to now cater to different purchasing behaviors. This will help you effectively engage your audience. For instance, if a customer is hesitant to commit to a subscription, that reorder coupon can persuade them to try your product without long-term commitment. Meanwhile, customers who value convenience can opt for the subscribe and save option, benefiting from a greater discount. Remember, guys, at the end of the day, promotions are a really great way for you to attract new customers and retain existing ones. By leveraging these dual coupon offerings, you can enhance your marketing efforts, drive sustained sales growth and, at the end of the day, it's about making your customers feel valued and giving them the options that suit their needs.

Shivali Patel:

Okay, moving on, let's talk about an important compliance update that you need to be aware of, effective September 30th 2024, which is already passed, amazon will now require that any product needing compliance documentation to have these documents submitted and approved before it can be listed in order to uphold the highest safety standards for products sold on Amazon. This is just one additional way for them to ensure that customers are really receiving safe and compliant items. While existing product listings will remain unaffected, new listings cannot go live until the proper documentation has been approved. So make sure that you guys manage this process through your manage all inventory dashboard on seller central and, since they can ask for additional information to verify product safety and compliance at any time, you'll want to check back time to time.

Shivali Patel:

Speaking of time, as we gear up for the holiday shopping season specifically, there are upcoming 2024 holiday peak fulfillment fees for FBA that you will need to be aware of. From October 15th to January 14th of 2025, you're going to see these seasonal fees applied to all products, reflecting the increased fulfillment and transportation costs during this busy period. This fee structure is similar to what other major carriers charge and it will be consistent across items within the same size band, and this will affect US FBA, Canada FBA, north America remote fulfillment, us multi-channel fulfillment and buy with Prime. I recommend that you guys factor these fees into your pricing strategy. Okay, and especially during the holiday season, when consumer spending typically peaks. The average holiday peak fulfillment fee will remain consistent with last year. However, a new peak fee will apply to products priced below 10 USD. This is for US FBA specifically. While these fees might seem like a hurdle, I want you to keep in mind that Amazon's average FBA fulfillment fees are still about 70% lower than the comparable two-day shipping options offered by third-party logistic providers. And, if needed, the new section does have the detailed rates linked by size and weight on the relevant help pages. So check it out to plan out your inventory and maximize sales during the holiday rush, if you have not already.

Shivali Patel:

In other news and in an exciting expansion of its services, amazon Pharmacy is enhancing the way that customers manage their medications with the introduction of a new pill pack feature. This service allows customers to have their eligible medications three or more pre-sorted into convenient pill packets, which will then be delivered straight to their door. This updated offering continues the service from PillPackcom acquired by Amazon in 2018, but introduces new savings and a simplified sign of process. Each PillPack is organized and labeled by date and time, making it easier for individuals to adhere to their prescribed routines without the hassle of multiple pill bottles. I don't think any of us like that. Plus, customers can enjoy fast, free delivery right to their homes. I wanted to mention this as part of this week's buzz because, while perhaps it's not directly relevant to you as an e-com seller or service provider, this new service from Amazon Pharmacy could open avenues for partnership or product integration, especially if you offer health-related products. Later down the road, by keeping an eye on how the service evolves, perhaps you'll be able to identify opportunities to align your offerings with Amazon's growing healthcare initiatives.

Shivali Patel:

What else we also have? Amazon introducing new smart carrier options for sellers using FBA and Amazon Warehousing and Distribution, known as AWD, giving sellers more choice and flexibility when sending inventory to the Amazon network. Available through the Amazon Partner Carrier Program, these options allow sellers to choose their preferred partner carrier and transport method based on dynamic freight-ready dates and cost estimates. This update aims to help sellers like you and I optimize our logistics and expenses, and these new features are integrated into step four of both the send to Amazon workflow and send to Amazon warehousing and distribution workflow. That is a tongue twister when you're trying to say it all in one sentence For less than truckload and full truckload shipments. The Amazon partner carrier program, known for offering reliable shipping services, includes small parcel delivery, LTL, FTL and intermodal shipment options, with savings of up to 25% lower compared to alternatives. So sellers can benefit from lower costs, while those delivering to AWD received additional discounts of 25% on storage and 15% on processing and transportation. I hope that you guys can see this as a valuable opportunity to streamline your inventory management and reduce costs, improving efficiency.

Shivali Patel:

Okay, then, we have a significant legal development. Four Amazon Marketplace sellers have filed a class action lawsuit against Walmart, seeking $5 million in damages. The lawsuit alleges that Walmart has enabled organized retail crime and racketeering through its third-party vendors by not sufficiently vetting its Marketplace sellers. The complaint filed on September 17th, as written here in US District Court for the District of Delaware, claims that certain third-party sellers on Walmart's platform are engaging in fraudulent practices, buying and reselling products from Amazon vendors in a sophisticated scheme. This practice harms legitimate sellers and allows Walmart to profit from the fees that it collects from these sellers. So I think that this case really underscores the ongoing challenges in maintaining marketplace integrity and the responsibilities of platforms and managing selling ecosystems. So I hope that you're able to recognize, with this case, the importance of just being transparent and ethical in your business practices. It's vital that you guys keep up with the guidelines that these platforms have, and this way you can really protect your brand but also contribute to a healthier marketplace overall. Walmart has until October 10th to respond to a summons that was issued on September 19th and in their statement they indicated they're reviewing the complaint. So, regardless of the outcome, the lawsuit serves as a reminder of the potential risks and the need for the platform to maintain a robust vetting process.

Shivali Patel:

Reporting hot from channel x. Starting on October 30th 2024, we also have amazon updating the seller fulfilled returns policies for heavy and bulky items in Germany, France, Italy and Spain stores. This aligns with changes already implemented in the UK since August of 2024, and heavy and bulky items are defined as those that weigh over 31.5 kg or have a longest side exceeding 175 centimeters when packed. Sellers will now be required to offer a prepaid return label and home collection service for these returns, along with issuing refunds to customers, while the responsibility for covering return shipping costs remains unchanged. The refund amount will depend on the return reason and timeline, in line with Amazon's existing returns policy. So the introduction of home collection for heavy and bulky item returns aims to provide a consistent returns experience for customers across all those stores. As the service is already available for FBA and seller flex returns, amazon recommends that we review our carrier contracts to ensure that home collection is included and make any sort of necessary updates.

Shivali Patel:

As a seller, you may want to offer partial refunds or part replacements as an alternative to home collection, provided that it's shared the tracking ID of the replacement part with the customer and that you close out the return request with the reason code return request canceled. To avoid A to Z guarantee claims or impacts on order defect rates, sellers must authorize or deny return requests within 48 hours where the auto is not auto authorized. You also have these additional things to keep in mind, but as you can see here, you can just pause the screen and have a read. Otherwise you can reference this channel X article. I'd love to know do you guys think this will help reduce unnecessary customer claims and improve seller performance across amazon's European stores? Let me know in the chat. We do have just a few more things here.

Shivali Patel:

It's been a packed week of news as the e-commerce industry continues to expand. Concerns about packaging waste have come to the forefront, prompting amazon to take significant steps towards sustainability. And, in response to the mounting pressure from environmental groups and regulatory bodies, amazon's introduced various recyclable packaging initiatives, one of those being the Frustration-Free Packaging Initiative, designed to ship products in easy-to-open, recyclable packaging, often eliminating the need for additional boxes. Since its launch, amazon reports having removed over 1.5 million tons of waste. I mean that is impressive and it shows a tangible effort for them to reduce waste. Amazon has shifted towards recyclable materials, introducing paper-based mailers that can be easily recycled, curbside, and this shift is part of Amazon's broader commitment to achieve net zero carbon emissions by 2040. As a seller, you can adopt sustainable packaging practices to align with Amazon's initiatives, but also appeal to eco-conscious consumers who prioritize environmental responsibility.

Shivali Patel:

Up next, we have an article directly from Amazon. According to Amazon's press center, digital Domain, a leader in visual effects and virtual human technology, has announced a collaboration with Amazon Web Services, AWS, to migrate its autonomous virtual human AVH technology to the cloud. This partnership aims to expand the reach and capabilities of AVH technology across industries such as entertainment, gaming, healthcare, hospitality and commercial applications, leveraging AWS's advanced cloud infrastructure, including Amazon's Bedrock for high-performing foundation models, amazon Polly, amongst others, for voice enhancements and for facial recognition. Digital domain is really poised to enhance real-time interaction with virtual humans. Aws's robust security and compliance features will also ensure the integrity and scalability of the AVH platform. This collaboration represents a significant milestone for digital domain following the success of Zoe in 2022. And, with the support of AWS and its cloud infrastructure, I think it's really going to offer AVH technology greater speed, efficiency and global accessibility in many sectors.

Shivali Patel:

This collaboration does offer potential relevancy for Amazon sellers, particularly in enhancing customer engagement and support For sellers who operate in industries such as e-com, hospitality or any customer-facing business. Integrating virtual human technology can revolutionize how we interact with customers, and so Amazon sellers can really leverage AVH technology for real-time, ai-driven customer interactions, offering personalized and immersive experiences similar to virtual concierge services. This can help improve the efficiency, manage inquiries, provide product recommendations, offer after-sales support. Even so, by utilizing this advanced technology, we can really, as sellers, go in and enhance our brand experiences, boost customer satisfaction and stay competitive in this growing market where AI and machine learning are really taking on a very pivotal role in customer interaction. Lastly, I figured you guys could also appreciate some fun news how many of you have ever watched Shark Tank and how many of you have seen the new trailer for Amazon Prime videos, buy it Now, hosted by JB Smoove?

Shivali Patel:

The Verge reports that in this unique competition, you're going to have contestants having the opportunity to present their product ideas to a panel of investors and an audience known as the 100, representing potential customers. If a contestant's product is well-received, it's going to be featured in a new section of the Amazon store called Buy it Now. The panel actually includes celebrity guests like Gwyneth Paltrow, Jamie Siminoff, who's the CEO of Door.com, serving as the resident judge, and others. Each episode features a $20,000 prize for one contestant, adding an exciting incentive to the competition. Viewers can access the buy it now store via a QR code shown during the episodes, allowing them to purchase featured products directly. The first three episodes will premiere on October 30th, with a total of 13 episodes airing weekly until January 8th of 2025. Additionally, a companion podcast this is Small Business Behind the Buy will be available starting the day after the show's launch. This initiative not only engages viewers, but also aims to drive sales on Amazon, showcasing products with greater transparency about their origins, their names, their brand story, and creating buzz and excitement around new product launches as the holiday shopping season approaches.

Shivali Patel:

With that. That is it for this week's news. And, by the way while I didn't mention it, since Bradley's already talked about this in a previous episode Amazon's Prime Big Deals Day sale is also coming up on October 8th and 9th. So I hope that you guys are all squared away to rank at the top of all the keywords you hope to generate sales from. In case you're not, let's just run through one strategy that you can use to capitalize during this time. Let me show you how you can find keywords where your competitors are outranking you. Let's say you're ranked on one of the lower pages, like pages four, five or even just the bottom of page one. Sure, customers searching for niche specific items like coffin shelves underneath the keyword gothic decor may ignore irrelevant results and focus only on the similar products. But also, most people don't even really scroll to page two, which is a clear indicator of why you would want to pay attention to the keywords where your direct competitors might be outperforming you and where you may want to tweak your strategy if you care to be listed at the top half of page one, where all that traffic is. Here's how You're going to want to pay attention to your relative rank against competitors. You can find this metric inside of Cerebro, which is our reverse ASIN keyword research tool, and you are going to begin by putting in a multi-ASIN search. So find a bunch of the Amazon standard identification numbers inside of your niche and go ahead and click get keywords.

Shivali Patel:

The second thing you're going to do is set a minimum for search volume. I went ahead and inputted in 300. Now the product I'm looking at is actually this automatic chicken water cup. In doing so, I can now filter out those keywords that don't have a lot of search volume associated. There's no right or wrong number for search volume. You can put in something that you feel is good for your niche. The next thing I'll do is input in a relative rank. I went ahead and added in three for minimum, and this is telling me that and this is basically saying that I'm at least number three amongst my competitors. Then go ahead and input in anything else you want and click apply filters. I actually added in a minimum for word count as well as the phrases containing chicken, because I was seeing some additional terms here.

Shivali Patel:

In doing so, I had a output of 38 filtered keywords and you guys can scroll all the way over to the right hand side and check out the relative rank. If you hover over the number for relative rank, it's actually going to showcase to you where you are stacked up next to your competitors as well as what ranking you are at. For example, for this particular keyword, which is automatic chicken watering system, you can see that our relative rank is position number six compared to our competitors. This means that your product ranks sixth in relative rank for this keyword, and this is the sort of thing that can help you identify keywords where competitors are ahead and make adjustments like increasing sponsored ad spend to improve your ranking, or adding that keyword to your title to rank a lot faster, to prepare for a day like Prime big deals day, or even just put in a CPR campaign into motion where you're selling those products at a discounted rate to rank. Happy sales, you guys.

What if you were missing out on hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars in reimbursements from Amazon? Join us as we reveal the game-changing strategies for reclaiming lost and damaged inventory funds from Amazon's FBA warehouses, just in time for the crucial update on October 23rd. We highlight the indispensable Helium 10 Refund Genie tool, providing you with a step-by-step guide and real-life success stories from sellers who have maximized their refunds without any commission fees.

Uncover the secrets to boosting your profitability by making the most of Helium 10's full suite of features. We'll walk you through how to handle active and suspended product listings, ensuring accurate and timely reimbursements for damaged items. Learn practical tips and tricks, including a thorough explanation of size tier optimization. By tweaking your product packaging and leveraging Helium 10 Alerts, you'll discover how to reduce shipping costs and significantly increase your bottom line.

Imagine saving $10 per unit with just a 0.2-inch reduction in packaging size. We provide compelling examples, such as a floor lamp that moved from an extra-large to a large bulky tier, saving $2 per unit. Through personal anecdotes and expert insights, we demonstrate how monitoring dimension changes and enabling alerts can lead to substantial financial recoveries. Don't miss this opportunity to reclaim your funds and optimize your Amazon business for greater profitability.

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Today we're doing a live workshop on how to get money back from Amazon and on this live broadcast there are four people on the call who are going to be able to get back over $30,000 live on the show back from Amazon. How cool is that? Pretty cool, I think. Important message guys. On October 23rd, Amazon is changing the window for which you can look back and claim that they owe you reimbursements for lost and damaged products at FBA warehouses. It used to be 18 months, but now it's going down to only two months. So, if you have never used the reimbursement service or Refund Genie, now is the time. Last week I ran Refund Genie on two different accounts and got a total of over five thousand dollars back for those sellers. And don't forget, unlike a lot of services out there, Helium 10 doesn't take any commission on what we get back. If we say you're owed ten thousand dollars and you get back ten thousand dollars from Amazon, you keep ten thousand dollars with no commission to Helium 10 at all. Refund Genie is now available to anybody who has a Helium 10 Platinum annual plan or higher. So to get an estimate about on how much money you could get back, go to h10.me/refundgenie. If you've never used a Helium 10 coupon, use the code SSP10 to save money if you need to upgrade to a Platinum annual plan.

Bradley Sutton:

Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of the Serious Sellers Podcast by Helium 10. I'm your host, Bradley Sutton, and this is the show that's completely BS-free, unscripted and unrehearsed organic conversation about serious strategies for serious sellers of any level in the e-commerce world, and today is our monthly live training that we do, along with an ask me anything, where we go over a certain aspect that can help you on Amazon, and then we take all your questions live, and we've got a great session for you today. Let's go ahead and hop into it. Let me just kind of like level set here what the situation is, so, for a lot of you, you might have seen the message already that you know, on October 23rd, Amazon is changing the look back period of when you can claim lost and damaged, so what that means is Amazon sometimes loses products at their warehouses of yours, they sometimes damage it, and they're supposed to, you know, refund your money when that happens, and you know, a lot of times they do. So what the problem is, though is sometimes, for whatever reason, they don't always refund the money like they're supposed to, and so when that happens, it's okay. It's not Amazon necessarily going and stealing all of your money. They allow you to like file claims if you are missing the money, all right, and then you know once, once they do their investigation sometimes it's instant then they will say, all right, yeah, we will give you the money back, and then they refund you like within days.

Bradley Sutton:

Now, if you have never used a service before, you know whether it's Helium 10, whether it's an outside service, if you have never used a service, uh that audits, or you don't audit your account completely to like look at all the uh, uh disbursement reports and the reimbursement reports and what Amazon has uh returned to you, what Amazon has lost. If you've never done that, you could be owed thousands of dollars, like, in my experience, half of your half of 1% of like what your gross revenue is. You could get back. All right so to 1%. I've seen some accounts get 1%. So let's say you've sold in the last 18 months a hundred thousand dollars worth of inventory. Basically that means that you might be owed a thousand dollars, potentially, all right. Or I should say 500 to a thousand dollars. If it's a million, you know you could be owed up to $5,000 if you've never audited. That's how much. And a lot of services out there, uh, which are great, the issue is that they'll take um, a percentage. They'll file all the claims for you and then take a percentage, like 25%, of whatever they find they keep.

Bradley Sutton:

Now the way I'm about to show you guys is a 100% free, as in whatever we find that Amazon owes you you keep. I wish I could take a commission on that. I'd be a rich man if I could just take 1% of what we find for you, because we've found millions and millions of dollars that Amazon owes you. So I'm going to show you guys how to look at the report. First of all, all right again, if those of you with a Diamond annual plan or Platinum annual plan, you've got full access to it. If not, well, just you know, stay watching this, because you'll need to know it. You need to like at least get the account. Those of you have done a lot of money and then you're going to need to know how to do this later on in the future. I saw a couple of you are newer sellers. You're probably not owed that much by Amazon. But guess what? Hopefully, you get to the point where you are owed money, not because you want Amazon to be taking the money that's owed to you, but because you're doing so much revenue that inevitably things are going to get lost things might get damaged and Amazon might owe you a lot of money. So this is important, no matter what stage of the journey you are on. All right, so now hop into your Amazon account and then some of you might have a banner at the top. Does anybody have a banner on the top that says, hey, you might be owed this amount of money? I don't have it on my screen because I already kind of like started this process already, but that banner would show up at the very top, all right.

Bradley Sutton:

So I am in one of the UK accounts that I have access to, and so, whether you have or not the banner again, this is if you're Platinum annual or Diamond annual, if not, just watch, all right, there's nothing for you to do. If you're not this, you're not gonna be able to do anything, but just watch, all right. So this is important. I'll give you, like, a coupon code. You can get it again, I'm not trying to sell you some service where we're going to take a percentage. We take zero percent. We actually have a service for those of you who are like $50 million sellers and you don't have the time to go one by one and do what I'm about to show you guys how to do. No problem, you can go sign up for that service and we'll take like 25% of it and we do all the work for you. That's h10.me/mrs. But that's not what I'm trying to talk about here. I'm just talking about how you can do it for free, all right. And then I'm going to give you three other ways that I have also gotten thousands of dollars back from Amazon. Okay. So let's go ahead and go for those of you who have the banner, click the banner. For those of you who don't have that banner, I want you to click on the tools and then go to Refund Genie. Neal says he's got a message here on his computer. It says last chance to claim 1600 bucks. All right, Neal, you are, you are set to go. So if you have a Platinum manual, Neal, you're going to be able to get $1,600 today in the next 30 minutes, potentially. All right. So Neal's got his Helium 10 account covered, almost right there. He's got anybody else have a message like that at the top of their screen. I'm just curious what message you guys are showing.

Bradley Sutton:

All right, now I'm going to go ahead and go into this Creative LG account. Okay, I'm going to hit details. You want to go to the ones that have stars and, as you can see, this account is selling in a lot of platforms. Selling in Germany, UK, Spain, France, Italy. Some of you might only be selling in one platform, doesn't matter, the process is completely the same. Now, as you can see, for a lot of these I have already requested reimbursement. You can see I hit processed. So I'm just going to go to the UK one. Let me see if I have any open. I hope I can find one that I have open. Yes, perfect, all right. So, as you can see, I've got a whole bunch of what's called uh, FN SKUs. All right, where Helium 10 found, where Amazon owes me money, all right. So if you're auditing, if, let's say, you don't have Helium 10 and the how, how can you get this? Well, you would download your transaction reports and the ledger report and then you're going to look back at any event that happened where you've got damaged or lost inventory, okay. And then now you're going to go back into your reimbursement report and you've got to cross check if Amazon already reimbursed you for that exact FN skew that went missing. And that's what Helium 10 is doing. Helium 10 has automated that process and that's why we are giving this report here in Refund Genie. All right, so you know there's nothing for you to do other than copy and paste. All right, so did anybody find an ASIN that has it?

Bradley Sutton:

Inbae says I see the screen lost items, but can't see damage items. Well, for you, if you don't have damage, that means Amazon hasn't damaged. That means Amazon has already refunded you for everything that they've damaged and, for whatever reason, Amazon is pretty good at reimbursing sellers with what's been damaged, but there's a lot more money that is owed to you from what's lost. All right, so don't worry if you have nothing damaged. All right, wow, oh, my goodness. Brad Dassow says he's got 24 guys. We might have a winner here today. Brad Dassow, I am going to help my namesake out there gvet $24,000. Live on the air. All right, Brad, you with me. Brad, what, what? What level of Helium 10 plan do you have? Do you have a Platinum manual or Diamond A plan? If so, you are going to get $24,000 potentially today. That are going to get $24,000 potentially today. That's crazy. I love it. I love it. We're making big dents, in a good way, to your bank account today guys. Maria, wait, look at Maria's here. Maria is owed $18,000. Wow, all right, Maria. What plan do you have, Maria? Guys, two people that are live on this call are going to learn how to get almost $40,000 back from Amazon 100% for free, and I don't get a commission on any of this. Gursharn says he's owed $7,600. Wow, you guys should be happy. You tuned in live today. Excellent, excellent. Joe says he already got 20,000 back per year. Great job, Helium 10. All right, Brad is Platinum Annual. You are good to go. Maria is Platinum Annual? Perfect, all right, now we're going to do this all together, all right.

Bradley Sutton:

So what I want Brad, Maria, anybody else who's doing this, and go and open in Seller Central. All right, go to your Seller Central account of whichever one that is, your owe the money in Helium 10. And then I want you guys to hit help and then get help and resources. Okay, Marie and Brad are ready on Platinum Annual. You guys are good to go. Look at that. They don't even have to pay any extra money and they're going to get all this money back. I love it. All right, Maria and Brad, I'm doing this with you. Oh, my goodness, Inbae Park. Inbae Park beat everybody. Inbae Park is owed $60,000. Guys, we're getting $100,000 live on this podcast today. Inbae, do you have a Platinum annual plan or above? Inbae, you're ready, all right. So, Inbae, Brad, Maria, get it ready. Lori says it, says they found it. Yeah, sometimes Amazon will say some of the ones they found, but for me, on my US accounts, 95% of what Helium 10 found, they returned to me. Yeah, and then contact the associate. Lori says it shows. Contact the associate, I'll show you what to do for that. All right, I'll show you what to do. Okay, Tony, you're good to go to. Tony, set this up. We Joe's on Diamond Set this up. All right, we're going crazy here, guys, we're getting a hundred thousand dollars live, all right.

Bradley Sutton:

So now, as you can see, I'm just going to do a couple of the small ones. Uh, by the way, if you are owed for one ASIN, any big amount, guys, I almost guarantee Amazon is going to require you to open a case, but they solve it within like 48 hours. Some of these little ones I'm going to get like it looks like 10 euros here, seven euros here. They're going to refund my money immediately. You're going to say hey, yep, we agree with you, you're good to go. But other ones, especially the bigger ones, or if some of my items like this, like this account. This account is a beauty account, and so there's a lot of products that are no longer on Amazon for whatever reason, like it got suspended in this account. If you have a product that is not currently live on Amazon, Amazon will deny your money. So that's what I said today, guys. Today we're not just talking about how to use Helium 10 Refund Genie. This is general information. Even if you're not a Helium 10 member, it's important. So just keep in mind. Usually, if you had a product that was suspended or is not active on Amazon, a lot of times they are going to use that as an excuse to not give you your money back. So if there's any way for you to get your product back on Amazon, do that first before making a claim on that product. I hope that makes sense, all right.

Bradley Sutton:

So, Brad, Inbae, Maria, the ones that I want you guys to start with are the ones that you know are pretty much active on Amazon and you're not going to have issue, all right. So let's go ahead together, guys, you three and whoever else, Tony, whoever's on this copy one of the first FN SKUs. All right, that's on one of your reports. Okay, you just hit this button that has copy and then, once you do that, hit processed, so that you know it is done right here in Refund Genie. Now switch over to your Seller Central tab and you are looking for something that might say inventory lost in FBA warehouse. If you see that, just click this and that's what you need to look for. Now if anybody's listening on the podcast or watching this on YouTube and you do not have a button in Amazon Seller Central support that says inventory lost in FBA warehouse, don't worry, some marketplaces, you don't see it. All you have to do is hit this button that says my issue is not listed and then just type in inventory lost in FBA warehouse and then the widget is going to show up. What shows up. Let me just show you by hitting this. All right, so, Brad Maria, paste. When the window comes up that says enter FN SKU, you paste the FN SKU that you copied from Refund Genie and then you hit continue.

Bradley Sutton:

Now here, as you can see, I have multiple SKUs. So if you have multiple SKUs, you have to pick which SKU. So I'm going to go back to my Refund Genie. Refund Genie has that here, too. I see which SKU it is. Let me copy that. And it is this SKU right here. So I'm going to hit this SKU and let's see what it has. Aha, this one got. This is one of those ones. I told you this is a restricted product, so I this is not my account, so I didn't get my money back on this one. Why? Because this product got restricted on Amazon. I told you this is a beauty product that I'm in. For Brad and Maria and Inbae. What did you guys find on yours? Did you guys get it? I'm going to try another one. I might have to do a few of them here. This account has a lot of restricted products, so I am going to go ahead and get help with a new issue and watch. I'm just going to do this really quick. I'm going to copy another one and I'm not sure the a lot of these. This is why they're probably not here. A lot of these might be already restricted, so let me just copy another ASIN in here. Hit inventory loss in FBA warehouse. Paste the FN SKU. Hit continue. Please don't be a restricted product. Let's see here. Boom goes the dynamite. All right, look what I just did in three seconds. Here I paste an FN SKU. This was not a restricted product that I had. How many units did Helium 10 say I was owed? I don't know if you guys caught that potential units one right here. And then how many did I get reimbursed right now? One unit, Helium 10 was a hundred percent accurate on that one. All right, perfect, perfect, all right. Next one let's see what did. Oh see, look at Brad. Brad did it Said. Brad said these items have been processed for reimbursement. Brad, how much was that one that you just did? I just did one that got me 10 euros. How much did you get? Who's done? A big one so far? Neal got $75 and he's got another one that said invalid, all right, so Neal might have some products that were not eligible, but Neal just got his whole month almost of Helium 10 covered.

Bradley Sutton:

Alright Inbae says I've got a difficulty on damage item reporting. All right, so I don't have any that's damaged here. But the difference, guys, on damage reporting, let me just show it for Inbae or anybody else who is trying to reconcile their damage you have to do the transaction ID. Okay, so this is. I don't have any here so I can't do it, but I'm just going to pretend I do, all right. So if anybody ever finds that Amazon owes them money from a damaged item, instead of the FN SKU, what Refund Genie has is the transaction ID. So, Inbae, if you have the transaction ID, you copy it. You go to Amazon, you get help with a new issue and, as you can see, there is not one for inventory damaged all right. So Inba, what you or anybody else, what you do is you hit my issue is not listed. And then you put here investigate inventory damaged at FBA warehouse All right. And then you hit continue, okay. Inventory damaged at FBA warehouse all right. And then you hit continue, okay. And then you select right here inventory damaged in FBA warehouse all right. So hit that one Inbae and look here it says enter up to 25 transaction IDs. So in Helium 10, again, I can't show this to you because this account I didn't have any damage that was owed, but there'll be just a button to select a whole bunch of transaction IDs together. You paste them here at once, no commas, no punctuation, things like that. You can paste up to 25, and then you hit continue and then that's how you get your money back on the damaged. So Inbae the transaction ID is in Helium 10 as well. So right here, as you can see, I am looking at the lost. But you need to go to the damaged section of Refund Genie and it will show the transaction ID. It's not on the same page as lost. All right for everybody else. While you're looking for that in bay, let me go to another, uh, another couple ones here, just to make sure everybody's got the process for lost inventory. Here's another one where it says I'm owed seven euros, about 10 bucks. Let's copy this. I'm going to hit processed and I go up here back to seller central I say get help with new issue Inventory lost in FBA warehouse, paste the FN SKU and this is either going to be. So this one it says create a case. So sometimes if it gets denied you have to create a case.

Bradley Sutton:

So everybody don't just go copying and pasting these and not reading what it says. If you ever see one that says create a case, hit that button. Okay, sometimes you have to take an extra step with Amazon to get your money back. So I'm going to hit create a case and then they'll get back to me if I'm owed that money? Ah! Neal says I just noticed that I was not clicking the copy and just highlighting the FN SKU and pasting. It pastes with a space. Yes, make sure to hit the button that just says copy and it'll highlight the right one. Maria, you did the exact right thing. That's exactly what I just did. Maria says hey, I got a message that said resolve your issue. It requires additional investigation in the case has been transferred. That's exactly what you need to do. So, guys, do not, when you guys are trying to do this fast, whether you're using Helium 10 or not don't just blindly do it and then go to the next one. Read the message, because if there's a button that says a new case needs to be made, you have to hit that button or else Amazon will say oh, too bad, you didn't say you didn't, you didn't do the case. Dmytro says I got a message that says upgrade to a plan that includes refund. Yeah, so, Dmytro, you need to get on the Platinum annual plan. How much money are you owed, Dmytro? All right, how's it going? Inbae, Brad, Maria, how much money have you guys got so far? Neal says when it says that one is found, do you have to choose my issuers. No, the only time you ever need to hit something is if you see if there's a button that says create a case or you might have to create a case. They're doing an audit on everything. Helium 10 just tells you how much you're owed, but then they'll let you know how much was lost, how much was found and how much was never reimbursed. And then you're looking for the one that says, oh, this is reimbursable, but they'll tell you how many they found too. Just to you know, try and be proud of themselves. I guess on Amazon, here.

Bradley Sutton:

Dan says what do you suggest for sellers who are on Platinum or a few hundred, Dan, if, if you're on the regular Platinum plan, you'll be able to see how much money we're estimating your owed. And if it's like 400 bucks or 600 bucks, you know I'm not going to sit here and tell you, oh yeah, you need to go ahead and upgrade to the Diamond or to the Platinum annual plan. No, because that's going to cost you money. So you know, I'll tell it to you straight. You have no need to upgrade to the Platinum annual plan. You just kind of like I would say, try and take the time to figure out how to do those reimbursements on your own by doing all those reports. But if any of you are seeing something, I mean. That being said, Dan, if you're planning to be a Helium 10 member for a long time and you're paying monthly right now $99 a month, don't forget, if you do go to the annual plan, you get two months free. All right, you're getting two months free if you switch the annual plan. So if you're planning to be a Helium 10 member for a while, even if you're only owed $400, I mean theoretically I guess it's still worth it for you, Dan, to upgrade, because you're gonna be paying us anyways and now you save two months and now you get $400 back. So that's like getting four months for free or six months for free, because you're getting two months free plus the four months if you're over 400 bucks, all right. So yeah, it's up to you, Dan. But anybody out there who has a message where Refund Genie says hey, you're owed $1,500. You're owed uh, you know 2000, $10,000. It's a no brainer just instantly upgrade and then you're going to make that money back and more.

Bradley Sutton:

Maria says I have two reimbursements, so far, $178, and the others need cases. Excellent, Maria, did you have any line item where just one item was like a really big amount? Usually if it's like $300 or more for one item. Amazon says oh, I got to investigate it. Neal says I assume that means everything is good. If it says these items were found, if they're always going to tell you which one is found, but there should be one or two, if Helium 10 says so that's reimbursable. Oh, Brad said I've got a couple thousand dollars so far. Very easy process. Thanks, Helium 10. That's great. Brad just made just got two years of Helium 10 subscription paid for. It's like he never has to pay Helium 10 for two years because he just got that money back in the last 15 minutes. I love it. I love to see it. Inbae says I've done a few hundred so far. Excellent, excellent. Look guys, how many live calls do we actually literally make people money on the call for free? And people are making thousands of dollars out there that they're going to get in their account. I love it, I love it. Maria says our items are a bit expensive. Just one is over $300 and an expensive one is around two grand. Yeah, I almost guarantee Maria. I bet you. Amazon said oh, we need to open investigation for those expensive ones. Let me know. I bet you they did.

Bradley Sutton:

All right, Neal says I'm about 10 out of 12 process, perfect, all right. While you guys are still doing that, Brad, Maria, Inbae, keep going. Let me give you remember. I said I was going to talk about different ways you can get money back from Amazon. Here's another way, and this I've never done any of these accounts. I have no idea what I'm about to find. All right. So for the rest of you guys, and this is plan of Helium 10. The Refund Genie. You got to be on a Platinum annual plan at the least. All right, and again, really quick. If anybody was like hey, I am not a Platinum annual member and I want to take advantage of this, don't pay full price. Use the code SSP10 to upgrade to that Platinum annual and then you'll be able to get those Refund Genie reports SSP, as in Serious Sellers Podcast 10. All right, now I want everybody else, regardless of what plan you have, to go into Helium 10 Alerts. That is, in Operations, okay, operations. And then hit Alerts oh, my goodness, there is. Oh, this is juicy stuff. See, this is not an account I manage all the time. So take a look here, guys, all right. So here at the top, does anybody else see this? I would say most of you probably don't have this, but this account does. Does anybody at the top left of your alerts see a message that says products with size tier optimization suggestions? This is rare, but this is the number two way that I've gotten thousands, or I'm getting thousands of dollars back from Amazon.

Bradley Sutton:

Wow, Brad is just like making money left and right from Helium 10. He's got seven suggestions. All right, let me explain what this is. So anybody with any Helium 10 plan who has Alerts, go to your Alerts and on the top left, if you see products with size tier optimization suggestions. This doesn't mean 100%. Oh, you're going gonna be able to take advantage of this and make a lot of money. But let me explain what this means. This means that we detected one of your items that has a package size that is within like one or two inches on just one side. That will help you go from one size tier to another. Let me give you a quick anecdote of what I did recently In one of my accounts one of the coffin shelves I sell I had this message and my package is fine, like the package that I have is like hey, it's not like I have a whole bunch of empty space in there, but I saw that if I take away one inch off of one side, guess how much money I save per package on my shipping fees. Guys to Amazon? $3 and 50 cents. All right, let's just calculate that out here. All right, so if I sell 10 units a day of this coffin shelf, that means that if I make this package adjustment, I'm going to go from large standard size to standard size and save 350 per unit. Times that by 10. Every day I'm going to save in Amazon fees $35. Now I can't just snap my fingers like I did with Refund Genie and get this money back from Amazon. No, that means the next time that I am ordering this product from my manufacturer in China. I redesigned the package and redesigned the actual product a little bit. Not everybody can do this, right, but I. You know the coffin shelf is like you know. I can make it an inch smaller and it's still a good coffin shelf, right? So that's what I did. And then this I did this two months ago. This order is now on the water, on the way to me, okay. So remember I said that's $35 a day. Might not seem like a lot. This is only a product. I sell 10 units a day. Now times that by 365.

Bradley Sutton:

Guys, this one alert that I got. How much is that saving me? Anybody? Do the math right there $12,700 guys. I am going to get extra per year on my profitability for this product because I was able to reduce my packaging by one inch on one side. All right, so how does this come up? Helium 10 is analyzing your account and if they see you have a package that is really close to one of the big size here, I mean, one inch doesn't always make that, um, doesn't always make that big of a difference, but we are looking for the ones where it's the literally the difference of going from one size tier to the next size tier. That's why not all of you are going to have something here Alerts. Hopefully none of you I mean not none of you. Hopefully most of you don't have this, because that means you've been kind of like throwing away money for a long time right. But if it is so, those of you who have this, Brad and the others, click on it and let's go to those products and let's just take a look here, it is right here. This is a floor lamp, right, this is a floor lamp here. And what is the message saying? You see here how there is a big red info sign. Okay, so this one, I could go from extra large to large bulky. What about this one? This one, I can go from extra large. Look at this. If I just take width by 1.1 inches, I go from extra large to large bulky and the FBA fulfillment cost goes from $21 to $19. Boom, in this account they will get $2 back if they can change their size by one inch. Okay, oh, my goodness, Brad, are you sure you're reading this right, Brad? That's crazy. Brad says on one of his he just has to reduce the height by 0.2 inches good grief, 0.2 inches and he can go from large bulky to large standard size, decreasing FBA fulfillment from $17 to $7. What in the world by 0.2?, Brad, are you sure you copied and pasted that right? That's insane. How many units, Brad, do you sell of that product? Brad is making ridiculous money off of Helium 10 today. He's making thousands of dollars from refunding. He already did thousands of dollars. He got back. I think he said or was that Inbae? I forgot, but now he might have somebody ask how many units of that do you have?

Bradley Sutton:

Rob. By the way, Rob asked a great question does Amazon remeasure the dimension automatically or do you have to ask them to do it? You have to ask them to do it. Alright, so once your new inventory with a new dimension is in Amazon, you have to ask for remeasurement and just say you change your package. Going back to a question from Inbae, he says I downloaded the damage item spreadsheet. Inbae, that tells me you're doing the wrong thing. You might be looking at the old Refund Genie. The new Refund Genie has zero downloads. So if there was nothing that had a star that allowed you to go to see the damage, then you're looking at the wrong thing. That means Amazon already, uh, reimbursed you for everything. All right, the only thing you guys should not be downloading anything in Refund Genie. Everything is in the app, the, the downloadable things. Those are from the old Refund Genie, all right, so those are. The time is probably already ended on when you can get your money back on those, or Amazon already reimbursed. Well, Brad, how many units of that do you sell a month or a day? Brad might have just made thousands of dollars here I'm not sure if Brad's still with us here, but that is another way you get money back and that I am getting $12,000 back from Amazon because I saw that I could change my package by such a tiny bit and it's going to save me $3 per unit. Now I've never, ever seen one like Brad's where he says he has a message where he is so close, only 0.2 inches away, and then he can go down to $7. That's insane, um for his packaging fee. So that would be crazy if he can do that, all right. So that's number two.

Bradley Sutton:

Number three, another way, is just Alerts by itself, all right. So one of the alerts guys, one of the things that Alerts is doing, it's monitoring if Amazon changes your dimensions, okay, if Amazon is changing your dimensions. So pay close attention to this, everybody. I once got $5,000 back from Amazon, but I never should have given Amazon that money in the first place. Helium 10 helped me get $5,000 back, but it never should have happened, because the instant that Amazon changed my dimensions erroneously, like some random employee in some FBA warehouse, I don't know, they were like drinking on the job or something, and they measured it in a ridiculous way and they increased my package size by like two inches, right. And so I'm like, okay, I just expect Amazon to do the right thing. All the time I wasn't paying attention and Helium 10 gave me the alert, but I didn't notice it. I don't know what I was thinking. This was like three years ago, and then what happened was I was looking through my alerts and then I looked here in event history. So, guys, go through your event history, okay, and then see, did something change for your dimensions? And then, if it is, and it's the wrong dimensions, you can go and file a claim.

Bradley Sutton:

This part has nothing to do with Helium 10. Helium 10 tells you what happened. But the next part, you go on your own and just open up a case and just say, hey, Amazon, you guys changed my dimensions erroneously on this date. That's the beauty about Helium 10 is it's going to tell you the date that this happened. Like, look at this we sent this person a message that on October 23rd, their product description changed, all right. So when, when something happens, an image changes, a product description changes, dimensions change. Helium 10 is notifying you on that date. So then let's just pretend that in this situation they had a dimension change. That was wrong and it happened October 23rd. So what I'm doing right now is I have a limited time. I'm not going to be able to get money back all the way back to October 23rd. You can only get money on dimensional changes within the last six months. So what I would do in this make-believe world where Amazon changed this whatever the heck, this is this piece of furniture here I would say, hey, Amazon, on October 23rd, you changed my dimension from this to this, causing me extra Amazon FBA fulfillment fees. Please reimburse me for this amount and remeasure, because this is the wrong dimensions. And then, obviously, you have to be a hundred percent correct. Like you, you gotta be sure that you've got the right dimensions and you can't like just tell them that it's this size, because what is Amazon going to do? They're going to go and remeasure it and then to check if what you're saying is true and then, if it is, then yeah, they're going to refund you, like thousands of dollars potentially, if that's how much extra they've been charging, and, of course, depending on how much extra, you know how much your sales have been. If you're only, if you only sold 10 units, well they're only going to charge. You know, they're only going to reimburse you the 20 bucks or whatever is the difference. But on this one product it was my main coffin shelf I was selling hundreds and hundreds of units and I was you know doing it at a price that I was getting charged extra every single unit for shipping because they had the wrong dimensions all right. So that's a third way that you can look and where Helium 10 can help get you money back by notifying you if that's happened.

Bradley Sutton:

Now, let's say you've got lots of products and you're not sure you didn't have Alerts on. By the way, guys, the only way you're going to get notified is if you hit this on button for your product. So what everybody should do right now who has a Platinum plan. You don't need an annual plan. Just, even if you're on the monthly plan, go into Alerts one by one guys, turn it on all right, otherwise this tool is useless to you If you don't turn it on. You got to turn it on, all right, for all your products so that you will get notified if you have a dimensional change. But let me show you something on how you can, um, how you can do it just on the fly. All right, this is like a little hack, all right, and this is the fourth way that you can kind of like, look and get money back. Watch this, go to your, go to one of your products on Amazon. I'm going to go to this one right here. Let me see if this even works here. Yeah, this product, this product is not even being sold right now. But watch this, go to any product, guys, on Amazon. I'm going to show you a little hack right here, a little Helium 10 hack. That's kind of hidden. All right, now, watch this. You see how, right here, under the BSR chart, it says revenue calculator and sales estimator. This is a hidden thing. This is like a. This is like one of those video game hacks where you have to like hit a couple buttons to release something. So hit revenue calculator and then hit sales estimator again and look what happens. Look what comes up. All of a sudden, this new little widget shows where it shows the package dimensions and the item dimensions. Now, this, this guys, is only going to work if you have a product that is very close in size to the package size, right? Like, for example, it's not something that you have to assemble or otherwise. This doesn't work. Like, for example, I've got this water bottle right here, right, you can just imagine that you know what the dimensions of this water bottle is. Let's just say it's 12 inches by  five inches by five inches, right? Well, this is a solid product. The package that it's going to go in is very close, right, like, maybe there's a little bit of packaging. So I know that if this water bottle is 12 by five by five, the package it goes into is only should be slightly. I know my own package, right, it's only going to be like maybe 12 and a half by five and a half by five and a half. Does that make sense, guys? It's like the package dimension should be very close to this because I know there's very little packaging.

Bradley Sutton:

So then what I do with this hack is I am Helium 10 is surfacing the item dimensions and the package dimension. So if you've got something like this, where I see, all right, item dimensions 12 by five by five, but then I see package dimension 14 by five and a half by five and a half. What do I know? I know that probably Amazon has got the wrong dimensions, because I'm like, no, there's not like a two inch gap inside the height of my package. And then I might go back and look at my history of what this package dimensions was, and this is another way, even if I didn't have Alerts on this is the way I can kind of audit a lot of my products and see did Amazon somewhere change my dimensions? Because there's no way that there's like a three inch gap in my package. I hope that makes sense, guys. All right, so this is the same thing. Let me show you a better product. I'm going to actually show you the Helium 10 coffin shelf. Here we go. Here's Helium 10 coffin shelf. Let's run it on here. Now the Helium 10 coffin shelf has a box very similar to the size of the of the package. All right, so I go down here. I'm here on the Amazon listing page for the coffin shelf. I do the little hack where I hit revenue calculator and then I hit sales estimator and then the widget comes up and this is exactly what I'm looking at. All right, I am looking, if one side, one dimension is way too big, all right, 14 long, the package 15. That, that sounds reasonable. 3.5,. Uh, wide, the package 4.13. That's reasonable. 7.5 deep and the package 7.68. So you see how, in this case, no, my package is the right size. What would I have been looking for? I would have been looking for a discrepancy on one side, like if it says my item dimension is 7.5 and it said my package was 9.5. Well, guess what? I bet you, Amazon owes me a thousand bucks because that means sometime that they added a couple of inches to my package, even though it's not true, and I would have been able to reclaim that from Amazon. So that's the fourth way, guys, that potentially you can get thousands of dollars, uh, uh back.

Bradley Sutton:

Donia says I love the photos in the listing. Who did them? That was a AMZ one step did. Did these uh listings or did these images? Did they do all of them? Yeah, all of these were from AMZOneStep, who's in the hub.Helium10.com Originally. On the original listing I did the images with, or my team did the images in Helium 10, but this one I sent to AMZOneStep's photo studio in Bali for that. So yeah, this is a good question by Shubham says we had a similar dimension issue where Amazon changed the package dimensions and we had to pay more in FBA fee. We raised the case and they did rechecking and they said they are correct, even though they are not, because we have checked it on our side. Our 3PL checked. In fact, suppliers also checked. So you need to have the package in hand, okay, and then show them the pictures of every dimension. Now here's the thing. If it's a rigid box, like a cardboard box, then if you show them the size and nothing is bulging out on anything they should accept it. If you show them the size of you actually measuring it on each side, now here's what I've had. I sell bat-shaped bath mats. It just comes in like this poly bag. Now, the poly bag, it's different sizes because not no two are the same, all right, so, and they, they will measure to the very end of the plastic, though, even if it's not the package and it's not technically the width, they'll, they'll screw you in that way. So like I'm doing something new for my new shipment because of that. So the only time where you can pretty much be like hey, Amazon, you guys are full of it is if it's a rigid box that's square or rectangle and you could show the exact dimensions with a tape measure and you don't have boxes that are bulging out because they count that If it bulges out, they're not measuring to the edge, they're measuring to the bulge. Inbae says I did so many I count, calculate, I love it. Inbae says I did so many I can't calculate, I love it.

Bradley Sutton:

Inbae made thousands of dollars today on the call guys, Maria has 17 cases still pending. I think Maria was owed about over $10,000 total. So hopefully those cases Let us know Maria. Like send a message to customer support when you get notification by next week of all the money you're owed. I want to like see how much money you got total from Amazon. That would be great. Your next reimbursement or reimbursement disbursement from Amazon is going to be huge. Thank you guys for joining us and send me messages. I want everybody who has gotten a lot of money back follow me on Instagram serious sellers podcast right, serious sellers podcast. Follow me on Instagram. And I want you to tag me in a story or  message me, uh with a screenshot or uh, maybe just a note that says hey, I got this much back from Amazon Thanks to Refund Genie. Uh, I would love to hear the stories about how much money you guys made today. Per my calculations, you know, I know you know Brad and Inbae probably have more that they have to get reimbursed for, but we could have made maybe 30, $40,000 live in this hour, just from like three, four members right there. So that is maybe 30, $40,000 live in this hour just from like three, four members right there. So that is uh, I had a lot of fun doing this. Um, for the rest of you, don't forget, this is not some eternal thing. You're always going to be able to do.

Bradley Sutton:

Uh, after October 22nd, you're only in it. There's not going to be any more $30,000 or $40,000. The money's going to be a lot smaller because it's only going to be a two-month window instead of 18 months. The reason why Brad and Maria and Inbae got so much money today is because it was looking at an 18 month window, but that's shrinking down. So this is like your last chance. So if you guys it says you owe, owed a lot of money right now, go into Helium 10 and make sure to get your Platinum annual plan and get that money back. All right, use the discount code SSP 10. If you guys want more information on that, go to H or use a calculator to see how much money you might be owed. If you're not even a Helium 10 member, go to h10.me/refundgenie. Thank you guys for tuning in and we'll see you in the next episode. Bye, bye now.

Join Bradley Sutton, as he explores the intricacies of Amazon product launches with the updated Maldives Honeymoon Launch Strategy. He’ll walk you through optimizing your product launches during Amazon's critical honeymoon period, sharing his hands-on experience and the latest insights from his recent testing. Learn how to utilize Helium 10's Blackbox tool for effective product research, identifying opportunities with low title density to give your product a competitive edge. We address the evolving landscape of AI and algorithm changes in Amazon, reassuring you that the fundamental principles of successful launches remain robust.

Discover advanced keyword research strategies using Helium 10's Cerebro tool to enhance your product's visibility from day one. We explain how to identify crucial keywords by examining competitors' rankings and uncovering hidden opportunities through niche keywords. By focusing on keywords where top competitors are already advertising, you'll ensure comprehensive keyword coverage and improve your product's relevancy signals on Amazon. Additionally, Bradley shows you how to leverage thematically related products frequently bought together with your competitors' items to optimize your listings and advertising efforts.

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Bradley Sutton:

All right, guys, it's episode 600. You know what that means. It's time for another Maldives Honeymoon Launch Strategy. I'm going to be giving you guys, step by step, what you need to do in order to have the best launch that you can have for your Amazon products. How cool, is that? Pretty cool, I think. Black Box by Helium 10 houses the largest database of Amazon products and keywords in the world. Outside of Amazon itself. We have over 2 billion products and many millions more keywords from different Amazon marketplaces, from USA to Australia to Germany and more. Use our powerful filters to search through this database for pockets of opportunity that you might want to get into with your first or next product to sell on Amazon. For more information, go to h10.me/blackbox. Don't forget you can save 10% off for life on Helium 10 by using our special code SSP10.

Bradley Sutton:

Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of Serious Sellers Podcast by Helium 10. I'm your host, Bradley Sutton, and this is the show that's completely BS free, unscripted and unrehearsed, organic conversation about serious strategies for serious sellers, as of any level in the e-commerce world. All right, and for you guys watching this on YouTube. You saw me do a dramatic transition from the pool. I'm here in the Maldives at a new resort that I've never been in, and I'm recording this as I do every year the Maldives Honeymoon Launch episode. This is now like the eighth version, I think. We used to do it every 50 episodes on the on the like the hundred and the 50. Uh, now we only do it every 100 episodes. So about once a year I come out here to the Maldives on my own dime I'm paying for this myself, and then I just take a couple of day’s vacation and also record the episode for Maldives Honeymoon Launch Strategy. All right, so if this is your first time listening to one of these, you don't need to go back and listen to the others, because every year I update it.

Bradley Sutton:

But basically, just a brief history is I started really focusing on what can give you the best bang for your buck for launches, and we all know about the so-called Amazon honeymoon period, where you get a little bit more bang for your buck when your product is just coming out. But then I started noticing things that gave me like that extra oomph, like a very special honeymoon, which is how I came up with the name Maldives Honeymoon, and that's why I am here and, for dramatic effect. I always come here to Maldives. I'm here at a resort I've never been it's the Huvafen Fushi Hilton, I believe it's called, but really great resort out here. And I'm here on my last day and I wanted to go ahead and share with you guys the new strategy.

Bradley Sutton:

So what we're going to be going over today is I'm going to go over, first of all, this is like version 6.0 of this strategy, where we are going to just break down what are the steps. And this isn't just me coming up with these steps. I've been testing it the last year. I've been testing stuff this month, last month, the previous month. I'm constantly doing tests to make sure, hey, what is the best strategy? And guess what, guys, if you listen to episode 500, the last time I did one of these episodes it's different than what I'm going to talk about today, because things on Amazon do change over time and that's why I do these every 100 episodes. So we're going to first go over the list of what makes up this strategy right now and then I'll give you guys, I'll show you guys, some examples of some things that I did, you know, show how I even came up with this, why it works. All right.

Bradley Sutton:

So first let's talk about product research. You know, the Maldives Honeymoon Strategy actually can doesn't always have to, but it can start with your product research when you're finding a new product to operate. I don't always just have the Maldives Honeymoon Launch Strategy in mind, but it's something that allows me to kind of like, pick the cream of the crop. Okay, so one of those features that I look for is a low title density. In Helium 10 Black Box, you use the filter under keywords for a title density. That means how many listings on page one, um, have this exact search keyword in the title? Uh, now, first of all, hold on.

Bradley Sutton:

Let me just back up really quick, and one elephant that's in some people's rooms, not in everybody's, is hey, wait a minute, isn't launch and creating listings and things completely different now, here, towards the end of 2024, because of Cosmo Algorithm and Rufus and this and that. And first of all, just spoiler, no, 100% the same. I'm not doing anything differently, differently. That being said, I'm going to go deep into I might have already been dependent on when I'm recording this, but I'm going to go deep into another episode where we talk about, uh, what the future holds because of you know, AI and different things. But the beauty is that don't listen to people who are trying to say that, hey, everything has changed right now because it hasn't, I am not doing anything differently because of AI and I'm having the exact same successes now.

Bradley Sutton:

The reason is because I have never been one somebody just focusing on keyword stuffing or keyword relevancy as the be all filter and stuff. If you're doing that, yeah, your launch strategies would have gone out of fashion years ago, because Amazon searches evolved before AI, before so-called Cosmo or Rufus and things like that. No, you got to do more than just stuff your keywords or your listings with keywords. Right, we've been teaching that you have to have the customer in mind when you guys are coming up with your listing, when you're choosing keywords, and not just have the Amazon algorithm in mind. Okay, and that's what we've always, even though the kind of strategies have changed. That's what we've always focused on in the Maldives Honeymoon Strategy is you're balancing Amazon algorithm with the customer and, again, nothing has changed, even though there's Rufus now and there's, you know, develop algorithms. If you're still doing that, you are a hundred percent fine. So don't get confused with people telling you that, hey, you've got to completely change everything you do or else you're completely irrelevant to the Amazon algorithm. Now, that being said, I hope nothing changes in the three weeks that from the time I'm recording this to the time I am releasing this, because I actually am recording this before Amazon Accelerate. Who knows, maybe something will come up from Amazon Accelerate that completely changes this.

Bradley Sutton:

I was teaching the Maldives Honeymoon Strategy to do refunds and giveaways for a year, year, for like two years. So the Maldives Honeymoon Strategy, you do a giveaway and you rebate them. Why? Because that was allowed by Amazon until the. I was teaching that till the very day it wasn't um. So, like I don't like to be the one who speculates about what could change, what does change. I'm going to tell you what's working, and you know we can, you know, kind of have in mind, hey, well, what could, but not to the point where it distracts you from what is working. And so that's what I'm always going to do. I'm going to give you the facts, guys, without speculation or things about what might change. And then the instant that something does change, or Amazon announces some policy shift or they announce something that you know the different way that you have to make your listings, we'll go ahead and shift them all these honeymoon strategy, right. So just keep that in mind. Everything I talk about right now has nothing to do with AI and different things, because these strategies are working right now, even though there's, you know, Rufus and different things like that. All right.

Bradley Sutton:

So again, going back to the product research, low title density is something I look at because that gives me an idea. If some of the main keywords in a niche have a low title density number, that means it's going to be really easy for me to get to page one of those search results, because that's just one of the ways that Amazon algorithm works. How it says that something is relevant for a keyword is like hey, is that keyword in the title? And if there's not that many listings that have that keyword in the title, well, it's like okay, well, maybe this listing isn't that important for this keyword, all right. So that's one of the factors I look at. Another thing I could look at again, not like I'm only looking for this, but it's just stuff that gives me more confidence when I do launch, especially if I have like five or six options and I'm like all right, I only want to launch one or two products, which are the one or two that I'm going to do first. Well, these are the things I'm looking at. So another one is I look at Brand Analytics and I'm looking total domination of one or two products, you know, because they're getting the majority of the clicks, the majority of the purchases, or, on the flip side, is the top three clicks. Do they only make up like 10% of the conversions, meaning 90% is wide open. I can go either way and it'll give me some confidence. It says, hey, if just one listing is dominating the clicks and the purchases, that that and I don't think that listing is that great or that product is that great that gives me some confidence that, hey, maybe I can go in right away and from day one, maybe dominate a little bit. Right On the flip side, maybe, if it's wide open, I'm like, oh shoot, people are just buying all kinds of products here on page one, the top three click products only make up 10% of the sales. That could give me some confidence too that, hey, I can have a lot better conversion share than these top three click products. That's just one of the things I look at as well.

Bradley Sutton:

Another thing I like looking at is in Amazon not even Helium 10, but in Amazon product opportunity explore. I look at the conversion rate for the keyword. All right, so in the conversion rate, if it has like less than 1%, I'm like, wow, this is great. That means that out of every 100 searches, less than one person actually buy something when they search at that could be an indication that there's opportunity, that people aren't finding what they're looking for. I can actually I said not in Helium 10, but for those of you who don't have Helium 10, yeah, use Product Opportunity Explorer. You can do that inside of Helium 10 with the keyword sales metric. All right, so we have estimated sales, and so if you have a huge differentiation between search volume and keyword sales, guess what? You found a keyword where it not many people are seeing what they're looking for and thus people aren't buying it. And so that means, if you can figure out what's the gap, why are people searching for this, but why aren't they buying anything on the page? Now, all of a sudden, you've got a huge advantage and that could be a great opportunity to get in a certain niche. So these are some of the things I look at, even before we're talking about launch, even though I know this is a launch episode. Those are some of the things that help me decide which keywords I'm going to launch.

Bradley Sutton:

Second step, before we even get to the launch, is the keyword research, and this is the key right. This is super key, and this is where I really think that you know, even though you can do launches without Helium 10. Guys, if you're using another tool that doesn't have these things I'm about to mention, you are leaving lots of money on the table with potential keywords, and so let me go over those. Now. The first thing I like to do is I'll put in 10 or 15 of the top competitors into Cerebro. Okay, so I'll take a baseline product, throw in 10 competitors, 15 competitors, minimum five, unless I'm in a brand-new niche where there's not much to look at. Let's just pretend that we're talking about something where there are at least five competitors that I can look at.

Bradley Sutton:

First thing I do is I just hit the one click button top keywords in Cerebro. That gives me all of the keywords that most of the top competitors, or most of these top competitors are all ranking for, and they're ranking highly for, instantly. These, I know, are my keywords and so I'll take that, put it to you know, like a keyword list, that I have my keyword list. Next thing I do is I look at the opportunity keywords. It's another one click button. I hit opportunity keywords and now that shows me, hey, where the keywords were a maximum of only one or two products are crushing it and the others, like, are not even in the ballgame. Because that gives me a list of keywords that you know I'm going to go ahead and not have some. You know as much competition. You know those top keywords, everybody's competing for it. That's great. I need to know that. Those are the most relevant keywords, usually to a niche. But these opportunity keywords the reason why we call it opportunity is because, hey, these are getting sales for maybe one, max, two products. The others might not even know about this keyword. They're not even ranking for it really. So that could be an opportunity for you to come in.

Bradley Sutton:

Instead of having a keyword that you're competing with all 10 or 15 top competitors You're just competing with, you know, like three or three, one or two, right, all right, so that's another one, Now, by the way, guys, I like setting up two different keyword lists. I put everything into a main keyword list, all right, inside of Helium 10. But then I set up a second keyword list. Now, this is something new, I haven't done this in the past but where I'm putting in some of my like outlier keywords, where I'm like hey, this is not going to be one of the top keywords, but I want to make sure I have this in phrase form, all right. So, like I'm looking for another like 10, 15 keywords that I'm going to put in this special list, 15 to 20, maybe even more, maybe I can go up to 30. I still want to put my main keywords in phrase form, but these are the ones where it's not going to have a highly competitive performance score. I'll talk to you a little bit about that later, but I still want to make sure it's like making a mental note hey, these are the keywords I want to put in phrase form, even though they might not be one of my main keywords. I'll explain a little bit more why later.

Bradley Sutton:

Now the next step I do in Cerebro again. I do in Cerebro again, we're still looking at those keywords where I did 10 to 15, is. I want to look at where one competitor is ranking in the top 10, at least just one. Forget about what the other guys are ranking for. What are all the keywords where one guy is ranking the top 10 out of those 5, 10, 15 competitors? Copy those keywords to my keyword list because hey, those are keywords getting sales for one of my competitors. Why can't I get sales for it? It's not always going to be the most relevant keyword, right? So some of them are random. Obviously, a lot of brand names are going to come up. I'm not putting in brand names, keywords into my  listing. I would obviously exclude those. The next step is hey, where is just one competitor ranking in the top 50? It's making it a little bit more broad, like it's not going to be hated for it. And, by the way, the more keywords that you put in your listing that you share ranking with these other competitors, it's setting you up for success from day one as far as relevancy to the Amazon algorithm, because Amazon remember, if you have a brand new product, amazon doesn't know what your product is, it just can go by what's in your listing, and so the more that you can relate yourself to other products with established histories. It means from day one it's going to be like, okay, we're going to give a shot to this product for these other keywords, because it looks similar to this other listing, right, but uh, you know it, or because it has the same keywords, but you know, we're not exactly sure it's relevant for this. But let's give it a try. That's. That's kind of like how the honeymoon period even works.

Bradley Sutton:

Uh, the next step is I'm going to go for, uh, something new-ish I've been doing just to get more keywords is 75% of the top competitors are ranking for a keyword, just ranking at all, all right, so obviously this is some keywords. I could have some completely off the wall keywords here, but here's the thing 75% of the top competitors. That means if I had 10 competitors that I put in Cerebro, I need at least seven or eight competitors all ranking for it, anywhere between one and 306. And the reason is maybe people aren't getting sales for it, but there's a reason. Most keywords have 1,000, 10,000 products indexed for the keyword. That means searchable, but only seven pages of search results come up. Right, only 306 listings come up. Now, if you can find keywords where maybe nobody's even ranking that high for it, but they're all in the top 306. Now, all of a sudden it's like, hey, this is probably somewhat relevant. Maybe it's not to the customer yet, but to Amazon. There's signs that Amazon has said, hey, this deserves ranking.

Bradley Sutton:

Now there's where Helium 10 comes in. You use other tools like Jungle Scout or Data Dive, which is driven by Jungle Scout. They're only looking at the top, I think, 100 or 150 ranks, so you're going to miss out on tons of keywords. I'll be doing another podcast later where I talk a little bit more about how many keywords you miss out if you're using another tool. But that's one of the main advantages or not one of the main, but one of the many advantages I should say of Helium 10 is we're looking at all the ranks, all right. So if you're only looking at the top 150, you can miss out on some valuable keywords, on some valuable keywords.

Bradley Sutton:

Next thing is another Amazon or Helium 10 only metric of Amazon recommended rank. Remember, Helium 10 has a direct connection with Amazon for the relevancy score, which we call Amazon recommended rank. It's because it's what Amazon recommends that you advertise for due to relevancy, all right. So I want to see what are the keywords that 75% of the listings again, seven out of 10, three out of five, you know, 10 out of 15, uh, 11 out of 15, actually I should say are all have or are all on this Amazon recommended rank. That means they're all on Amazon's relevancy radar and it's a top 200 average. All right. In helium 10, you can pick the Amazon recommended rank average. So that means across the board that on average it's one of the top 200 keywords that Amazon thinks is relevant, all right. So again, these are keywords that you're not going to find in other tools, but these can help you get these little sales, like one or two sales here or there. With some of these keywords. That's really going to help you get ahead of the competition.

Bradley Sutton:

The last thing I'm doing in Cerebro with those top 15, 10, 5, 10, 15 listings is I'm looking for where 75% of the competitors are all advertising for the keyword. Now I might go take it a little bit narrow and say, hey, show me where at least three competitors are advertising in the top 10 positions. Then I know they're spending money and sure I'll run that. But at the very least I want to see where, hey, at least seven out of 10, at least 11 out of 15 of my top competitors. They're all showing up in the sponsor results, right up to 105 locations. Again, this is not something that all tools have. Some tools are only showing you where the top 40 or top 50 sponsored ads, but again, I'm looking, I like to look at the top seven pages, because if they're showing up in the top seven pages, their bid has got to be somewhat high, where it's even in the in the ballpark, and so if you're not looking at all seven pages, you could be leaving money on the table. So by now, at this point, I've got like a good two, three hundred or even more keywords. Not all I'm gonna be able to get in my listing, not all, definitely in phrase form, but this gets me on a good start.

Bradley Sutton:

And one more thing that I like to do is I like to look at the historical trend. All right, this is another Helium 10 exclusive where, like, let's say, I'm doing looking into egg racks. Maybe, I think that in February, march, when Easter is coming, a lot of people are searching for different keywords. So I can hit this show historical trend and then I could look either at the product level or the entire niche level. Hey, what's going on in like February of the last couple of years and where were these products getting sales in February? And then it's kind of like taking a time machine in Cerebro, going back and looking all right, let me go ahead and pull all the important keywords in February and then I can see, oh, there's a whole bunch of keywords maybe that are not showing up right now. So, super important. This is something that is going to get you a lot of the historical keywords and the seasonal keywords that other tools just aren't going to show you, because it's only showing you what's going on now.

Bradley Sutton:

Now the next thing I do is I'll take maybe three or four of those top keywords, the ones that had the highest competitor performance score in Cerebro. What I'm going to do is I'm going to go ahead and throw those one by one into Magnet and then I'm going to filter down for Smart Complete. Smart Complete is showing me the long tail versions of that keyword in various forms. So in other words, for example, coffin shelf. All right, so that's for my coffin shelf. That's the main keyword. I put that in Magnet. Hit Smart Complete. It's going to show me probably not that many, because coffin shelf is in a huge keyword, I'm going to get a good 15, 20 keywords where it'll be like coffin shelf for men, spooky coffin shelf, Halloween coffin shelf, whatever things like that. But those ones might not have a lot of ranking yet for whatever reason. But I'm going to go ahead and copy those keywords. A lot of it probably came up in my Cerebro, but there's always going to be like two or three keywords that probably didn't come up in Cerebro but that there's searches for, especially if I'm using a search volume filter, and I want to get those in my listing too, because, hey, if my product is a coffin shelf, I want to know what are the different forms of coffin shelf that people are searching for. Let me get those in my listing as long as they're relevant. So I'll go ahead and do that in Magnet.

Bradley Sutton:

Next step is I can do this either in Helium 10, which is actually easier, or I can do this in top search terms Brand Analytics in Amazon. I'm going to take some of those top competitors all right, those top five, those top 10, and I am going to go back in history and I want to see any time that they were one of the top three clicked and they had purchases. It's not just a matter of being one of the top three clicked. They could be one of the top three clicked forever, but if they never had purchases, well, is that really a valuable keyword for them? Most of the keywords I'm going to come up with here are going to have already been what I found in Cerebro, but every now and then you'll find some random keyword because maybe they just randomly were ranking for it one day, or they just randomly got shown in an auto campaign. They never even realized it, so they never had you know, other sales again other weeks. But I'm going to go back and look a week by week for the past six months or so. Now this is kind of a tedious task. Now, soon, Helium 10 in our Brand Analytics Black Box tool, you're going to be able to look at multiple date ranges, so it's going to be just a couple of clicks, a button. But right now, whether you're using Helium 10 or Amazon, it's going to be kind of tedious. You're going to have to go week by week over the past six months. If you really want to do this right and just look at all the keywords where they were one of the top three clicked your top competitors maybe only your top five and where they actually had more than 0% conversion share, meaning they actually had purchases for it. I'm going to put that to my keyword list. Some of those I might actually put to that special keyword list where it's my top keywords.

Bradley Sutton:

Next thing here is something that's been in my Maldives Honeymoon for a while very unique once again to Helium 10, is you want to look at the frequently bought together of some of your top competitors? I'm not going to do this to all 15, but I'll put in my top five competitors into Black Box product targeting. Now, what this is going to do is it's going to show me for these products I can do it one by one or I can put them all in where what other products have shown up in the frequently bought together for these products. Remember Amazon, frequently bought together is showing you products that people bought in the same purchase experience. So, for example, it's not like the old metric that was customer also bought, you know where. Like maybe Monday I bought a coffin shelf and Wednesday I bought diapers, right, you know like, yeah, sure, that's one competitor or one competitor, one customer who bought those two things. But are those relevant? No, but then if something is frequently bought together in the same shopping cart experience, it's usually because they're kind of relevant towards each other, like maybe it's a coffin shelf plus like a spider web shelf or something like that, or it's a coffin shelf plus some spooky decor item, because somebody's you know like decorating their Halloween haunted house or something like that. Right? So what I'm looking for is not other coffin shelves and other coffin shelves are going to come up, because sometimes people buy two of the same products or whatever your product is.

Bradley Sutton:

I'm looking for what are the products that are showing up and frequently bought together with my competitors or my future competitors that are completely different? Not, I don't want to say completely different, but I mean it's not a coffin shelf. So, in other words, I want to look for a product that's like a coffin shelf with a you know, bat shaped bath rug or something, where it's like oh yeah, obviously this person is buying this kind of themed stuff, but it's not a competitor. You know, a bat-shaped bat rug is not a competitor with coffin shelf. All right, it's two separate products, but there's relevance, there's a history of people buying the two. Now, the reason I'm doing that is because now I'm going to take those products. Maybe there are five products that are commonly showing up with my competitors, maybe it's 10. It's up to you, and then I'm one or two keywords of each of those products, all right.

Bradley Sutton:

So let's say that, to my coffin shelf, one of the other top products that showed up in frequently bought together was a coffin-shaped light cover, like a light switch right, or a coffin-shaped toilet paper dispenser, whatever. It is right. What is the main keyword of that? Well, it's going to be coffin-shaped light cover or something like that. Right, I want that keyword in my listing. They're number one and they're number two keywords, like the most relevant keywords. If I were to flip this and somebody had a coffin bath mat and my product is a coffin shelf, what keywords are they going to choose for me? Well, they would choose coffin shelf, right, you know for them. Now, why is this? This is something unique. All right, I want to be related to these products from day one. I don't I'm not making some wild guess that people who are interested in coffin shelves are also going to be interested in this coffin shape, like I know Amazon is telling me people are buying these products together.

Bradley Sutton:

So how does it benefit me by having this kind of, this other product, which is doesn't describe my product, being indexed for that keyword? Well, it just sends that little relevancy signal to amazon saying, hey, Amazon, you know this, this product has this keyword in here. You know when I'm doing now, when I'm doing my product targeting, from day one usually I'm going to be able to target that other product. You know those are the products you want to target. If you just have, if you, if I have a coffin shelf and I don't have any of those, uh, coffin, you know light cover keywords in my listing eventually will I show up pin product targeting. You know sponsor display ads and things like that probably. You know when I went in an auto campaign, you know Amazon might one day just show it or you know, in some other kind of product targeting maybe you know I'll get impressions. But I want to start getting those impressions from like day one of my list and then, if I actually am indexed for that keyword, it's like it's going to give me a lot better chance from day one to start showing up in product targeting and then, uh, you know, I I'm hopefully going to get sales from those product targeting ads because I see a history of frequently bought together. So that's another uh set of keywords that I'm going to go ahead and want to put in my listing.

Bradley Sutton:

Now another part, uh that doesn't have to do with Helium 10 is using Product Opportunity Explorer. Probably 98% of the keywords I'm going to see in product opportunity to explore I already got from Cerebro or Magnet or Brand Analytics or one of these others, but every now and then there's maybe some new up and coming keyword that might not be in the other ones. So this is kind of like a nice little bookend. And obviously, for those of you who don't have Helium 10 for whatever strange reason out there you're one of the few top sellers who don't use it Well, you kind of have to use only Product Opportunity Explorer. But I'll put my competitors into Product Opportunity Explorer and check what niches they're in, or if my main keyword has a niche on Product Opportunity Explorer not all main keywords do. I'm going to look at the other niche keywords and I'm going to get that and go ahead and put it in my keyword list as well.

Bradley Sutton:

All right, next up is the Listing Optimization. This is key. All right, all those keywords from my two lists I'm throwing into Listing Builder. Okay, it could be 300, 400 phrases, I'm not sure. Well, Listing Builder immediately is gonna break down my phrases with my individual keywords. Now, remember the top keywords. By the way, at the same time I'm gonna bring in all of my competitors, those 10, 15 top competitors. I'm importing them into my Listing Builder. I think this is only a diamond in a plan so that you can see those competitor performance scores that you see in Cerebro. So now I know what are the most relevant keywords. What are those top keywords is because those probably have a CPS score of like eight, nine or 10. And how I'm going to prioritize this now is hey, even though it says 400 phrases or 300 or 100, there's no one number that's right or wrong. But however, many phrases I have, now I know, hey, I'm only picking, like a top 10 or 15 phrases, the ones that are the most relevant with that high score, to make sure I have in phrase form, plus any of those other keywords that I'm like.

Bradley Sutton:

Hey, I you know, maybe I found this keyword in Brand Analytics, or maybe it's one of those opportunity keywords, or maybe it's something I'm going to go ahead and, you know, make sure those get in phrase form. The rest of it, guess what? All I have to do is make sure that those individual keywords are in there once. And where am I listening? Because if I have 300 phrases, they're probably you know, that's probably. You know three, maybe let's just say they have three words each. There's probably 900 words in those 300 phrases, right? It doesn't mean I have to put 900 different individual words. Those 900 words. There's probably only like 200 or 300 individual words that are unique. The rest are just duplicates of each other, right? So then what I would do is, hey, the Helium 10 Listing Builder is already taking out those duplicates. I just got to make sure each of those individual keywords I have somewhere in my listing. Now, at this point I can have AI and Listing Builder, kind of just like you know, make me a rough listing, or I could just write the listing.

Bradley Sutton:

A couple things, remember when you're making the title all right, pick, put your best keyword in the title for me Coffin Shelf. Coffin Shelf is going to be there. If it's an egg holder, maybe egg holder countertop. But then what I'm going to do is there another top keyword like Gothic Decor? I'll stick that. It's the Coffin Shelf and Gothic Decor. They're not even nested keywords. But if I've got two top keywords I can usually find a way to put two top keywords in my listing. But here's the thing Once you do that, now use the helium 10 to see what are those root phrases. That, if it's a two-word root or more, now what happens is now I'm going to be like hey, what are some nested keywords I can use? You know, an example I've always used is maybe I have my main keyword is egg holder and then additional keyword egg holder, countertop. Egg holder, countertop for kitchen. Rustic egg holder, rustic egg holder, countertop for kitchen. If I put the keyword in my title rustic egg holder, countertop for kitchen, I've got like five, six phrases in phrase form right there, because Amazon is not making me you know it looks at those phrases just in the order of the words that it's at. It's not. It's not making me put those phrases all separately. So that's what you should do. Pick your two top keywords and then see what other nested keywords can you put in there, so you can kill a couple birds with one stone, for you know, sending those relevancy signals to Amazon that, hey, this is what my product is about. Now the rest of my listing again, I'm focusing on trying to get those key phrases in phrase form in my listing.

Bradley Sutton:

But again, do not just keyword stuff. It's not just about, hey, I need to put these keywords this many times, et cetera. Listing builder we have some tool or some scoring that will help you to know what kind of score you have, but you have really got to write to connect to the customer when you're ranking your listing. This doesn't have to do with the launch per se, but again, this isn't necessarily about it. This is nothing new, guys. We've been taught. I've been talking about this for six years since I've worked at Helium 10. You have got to use review insights in Helium 10 to look at your competitors, reviews. What do people like about it, what do people not like about it? Talk about it in their coffee, right? Is that a keyword? No, but I'm going to write about that. I'm going to put that in my image. I'm going to show if I had collagen peptides, somebody at a kitchen table, you know, pouring it into their coffee, because that's how people are using. I'm going to talk about that in the bullet points.

Bradley Sutton:

Again, not to send a relevancy signal for a certain keyword or to rank for in my coffee. I'm not trying to rank for in my coffee, but I'm trying to connect with the customer. And, by the way, guys, going back to what I said before, if something changed, you know, as things change with AI and Rufus and things like that, you know somebody might ask a question like hey, how can I find the best you know collagen peptides that'll fit in my coffee? Well, guess what? You're going to be the one that has that in your listing. So the Amazon AI is going to relate it to your product. But again, that's not the reason to do it. It's not because, oh yeah, Rufus is out there now. That's why you should put this. No, I've been talking about this for six years, even before there was a such thing as Rufus, right? So, again, make sure you are talking to the customer in your listing as well. Make those emotional connections with your customer. What problems does your product solve? What are the use cases? And I'm talking about images, I'm talking about your bullet points, your description, your A plus content. Speak to the customer, then you don't have to worry about fancy stuff, about AI and whatnot, because you're already covering your basis.

Bradley Sutton:

Now the next aspect here is something I just released last year in episode 500, which I hadn't talked about before, and that's making a test listing. The reason why I want to make a test listing nowadays is because I don't know what's going on, but there are so many times where it seems like Amazon gets confused about products from the get go. I've talked about this before, but how this came up or how I discovered it, was because I was launching these coffee socks. And then what happened was, when I say coffee socks, it's socks that had a message on the bottom where it says hey, if you can read this, bring me coffee. And so I wanted to rank for coffee gifts for women or gifts for coffee lovers and things like that, and I couldn't even get impressions in PPC.

Bradley Sutton:

And then when I ran the relevancy test that only you can get in Helium 10 with Amazon recommended rank, the coffee keywords were not even in its top 20. All the top 20 keywords was like oh, you know, black sock and pink sock and black shoe. And I'm like, oh man, amazon is completely confused about this product and I was like, well, it kind of makes sense because you know coffee is in the grocery category, right? My product? It's a sock, it's in the fashion category. Amazon probably thinks that. You know why does this product need to be relevant for the coffee related keywords, right? So this is what happens sometimes when you just launch a listing and then you usually have to like all right, I need to opt to reoptimize my listing. I need to send traffic.

Bradley Sutton:

By the way, one of the best ways to get relevancy for keywords you are indexed for is using the old school two-step field ASIN URLs. All right, you can. You can pull one of those eight field ASIN two-step URLs by using index checker and then just give that to like four or five people. This is not against Amazon terms of service. Am I trying to rank? Am I trying to increase my ranking for a certain keyword? No, that's against Amazon terms of service. We used to do that all day long, you know, five years ago, that used to be part of them all these honeymoon strategy. The reason why this is not against terms of services I couldn't care less about ranking. I mean, maybe later I want to rank is just get a couple of orders for using one of those URLs to send that relevancy signal.

Bradley Sutton:

I'm going to show you some examples about how amazing that works, where, in two days, I can get that Amazon relevancy for that keyword. That I didn't, and so that's what I did for my coffee listing. I do it for other listings. But anyways, these are things that you're testing. Maybe that doesn't work, maybe you have to do send a search find by which, again, is against Amazon terms of service if you're trying to rank. But if you're just trying to send relevancy, there's nothing against terms of service for that for now. But anyways, if you're trying to launch a product and you're in the honeymoon period and you're trying to figure stuff out and test and like, all right, let me check back tomorrow. Did this affect my relevancy? Do I get PPC impressions? Now you’re losing days of your honeymoon.

Bradley Sutton:

You want to hit the ground running from day one of your listing, right, and so it's important to make a test listing to see, hey, if, is Amazon confused? Oh, yes, if, yes, well, now what steps do I have to take to fix it? And then now you know, when you make your real listing, you know exactly on day one, exactly what you have to do, instead of trying to run these experiments. The other reason to do test listings is you can test your PPC. Are you getting PPC impressions from day one on all your keywords? If not, again you might have to do some relevancy switches on there. What PPC bid gets you in the top four positions? If you launch your product without this, it's fine. You'll know within four hours thanks to Helium 10's keyword tracker that has boost. You'll know in four hours. Oh, I need to raise or lower the bid, but since you're doing this anyways, might as well figure out what that exact bid is. That gets you to the top of search, right. And now, once you've got that bid, hey, when you make your real listing and you make your real PPC campaign, your launch campaign, you'll know from day one exactly the bids. That's going to get you at the top of the.

Bradley Sutton:

A throwaway ASIN. I use similar images. I don't want to use the exact same images. All right, I have to use a throwaway UPC like throw a, fulfilled by merchant listing up. All right, you know, put one inventory in, I'll put a high price, cause I didn't want to get purchases, maybe, right, and then? And then I just start playing with these things and testing. You know I run it through Cerebro. What is the Amazon recommended rank? Start my PPC campaign for it. Where is it showing me? You know I run my keyword tracker. I get all of this data so that when I make my quote unquote real listing from day one I have all my ducks lined up in a row where I know exactly what I have to do.

Bradley Sutton:

When you make your real listing but your product isn't ready to in Amazon yet, you know, make sure to put a future date. All right. Now be careful, though. All right, be careful. There's some listings that have this thing called street date, all right. So if you see four different dates, be very careful which dates you do. Before I used to just say, oh yeah, wherever you see a date for listing launch date and merchant, go live date or whatever just put some random date in the future and then, once the product actually gets there, then go ahead and change the date. But there's one of these things I'm going to talk a little bit about it later when I show you some real-life examples there's one of these dates that you can't change unless maybe use like a special flat file, which I haven't tested yet, but you can't change it, so you're locked into a pre-buy until then. So just be very careful when setting the date in the future.

Bradley Sutton:

But you don't want to just create your listing and have your listing potentially active where other people can find that ASIN and like make it active in their, in their Seller Central, and now it's like counting days against your honeymoon period for you. You don't want to do that. So put your date in the future or just create the listing the same day. You're going to launch it. Those of you who have warehouses in the United States, like me, that's what I do. I don't put a future date always because I got the product in my warehouse. I turn on my Fulfilled by Merchant listing the same day and then I send the inventory to Amazon and I'm getting orders from day one. All right, you got to do one of those things. You've got your regular listing, everything is set up. It's launch date, all right.

Bradley Sutton:

What do you do? I keep my product at what I want my list price to be. Maybe I want my list price to be above what my regular price is going to be. Um, let's just say your regular price. You want to target a 39 99. I want to maybe set a list price at 43 99. Just give me some leeway down the road price, set that as a baseline price and give me the best chance to get that strikethrough pricing. Okay, so if it's going to be $43.99, I have five people lined up, not giving them, like you know, search, find, buy. I'm not giving them, you know, URLs to try and rank for, unless you know it's to send those relevancy signals. Maybe I can do it as a combined thing, but I get five people to buy at a full price and then that sets that baseline price. It gives me the best chance to be able to have that strike through price because I want to do a big discount in the beginning.

Bradley Sutton:

Now, other things that don't work to get the strike through price. I tried once to use a social media coupon code. I did a social media coupon code and I was like all right, $43.99. And then I had people use the social media coupon code, do it. Five of them didn't work to get the strike through price and it doesn't set that off and on. When it does work, is doing a coupon, all right, I can do a coupon, um, you know. Or a promotion, promotional price, where it's a clippable coupon, uh or uh, a promotion, that's on the page right when they click it. That sometimes works. But if you're just worried about like, oh, I'm not sure it's going to work out, the best thing to do is just get the full price. Uh orders five of them.

Bradley Sutton:

Now, once that's ready, I immediately go ahead and start my PPC campaigns. Now, what I've been doing is I have one PPC campaign. It's going to be a throwaway campaign, as in. It's only going to last for maybe one month. I call it my launch campaign and in there I put my top five or 10 keywords that I'm trying to rank for. Again, it includes maybe only two or three main keywords that I'm really trying to rank for and then six to 10 of the supplementary keywords, using that same principle about how you make the title having keywords nested together, like, if the keyword is egg holder countertop, then I'll have large egg holder countertop, egg holder countertop, kitchen, et cetera, et cetera. I'm launching all these at once and I'm doing a fixed bid, no bid modifiers, just a fixed bid down only. No, just a fixed bid.

Bradley Sutton:

And then what I'm doing is I put that PPC bid that I know is going to get me those first four PPC positions. And if I didn't do that test listing, no problem. I just put those keywords in keyword tracker, turn boost on. Within four hours I'll know did it get me that top ranking or a sponsored rank or not? Now what I'm doing here? The whole point of this is I'm trying to get enough orders for the CPR number that's in Helium 10, which is how many products you have to sell after the search of a keyword over eight days to give me the best chance. Now do you have to do all of the CPR number to get on page one? No, sometimes I'll do it with even half or even 25% of that CPR number. I'll go ahead and be on page one already, but the full CPR gives you the best chance at sticking on page one afterwards. All right, and now I've got that PPC campaign set up, I'll go ahead and set up in Helium 10 Adtomic my other campaigns as well, but with lower bids. That's my exact match campaign my research, which is a broad match campaign. My auto campaign, my sponsor display targeting campaign, my sponsor brand video campaign. Sometimes I start from day one, two, just with lower bids, just because I want to get some residual sales, but other people don't like to do those right away. Either way works.

Bradley Sutton:

There's reasons to do it and not to do it. The reasons to do it is like, hey, when you're in your honeymoon period, you just get so much love from Amazon, it's going to show you across the board for all these keywords, right? So that's why I do it. But then the drawback is, if you have this huge, huge discount on your listing, you don't want just a random keywords where your product is showing up and then you're getting conversions and it doesn't even really. You're not even trying to rank for those keywords per se. Right off the bat. You know you're focused on those five 10 keywords. So then you know, maybe you don't want all your spend going to there. So that way I've done both ways before. You guys choose what works best for you.

Bradley Sutton:

Now one thing as since I'm doing, you know I'm losing, but you're going to lose money, guys. I lose money my first month of selling, that's just that's for six years of launch. You lose. It takes money to make money, right? So you, you don't want to be losing more than you need to. So let's say, the CPR number for a keyword is 80, meaning I need 80 over eight days. That's like an average of 10 a day, like if I get 10 orders in one day for one keyword I'm monitoring those PPC numbers I'm going to go in and pause that bid for the rest of the day and then restart the next day until I get 10. All right, so that's just something to keep in mind that it's not going to help you rank. Stick your leg in anymore. If you get 25 orders that first day, right, and then that's not giving you a better chance. All you need is those 10, and then I'm going to pause it because I don't want to keep losing money when I've already done what I need to do to rank for that keyword. When I'm losing money on every order right Now, how do you do that big discount price?

Bradley Sutton:

Well, what's the thought process here? The thought process of even doing a huge discount at the beginning? It's for two reasons. Number one is your product has no reviews. People might not even know your brand. You're trying to compete with products that do have reviews, even if they only got 50 or a hundred or more. Maybe you're doing a competitive niche. What reason would somebody have to buy your product if your price is the same, zero reviews. Maybe you had something in your image. This isn't guaranteed that you have to do it like this. Maybe you're the only product that has a laser that everybody needs on the water bottle or some weird thing like that. Well yeah, you don't even need to do any discount If everybody wants that because that's what they saw on TikTok, it went viral they're only going to buy your product.

Bradley Sutton:

You can have your product more expensive than others. Those have thousands of reviews. You've got zero reviews and you'll get all the orders because you've got some special thing. But if you don't have that special thing, if you're just kind of similar, you just got a little bit better product than everybody else you've got to give incentives to people to buy your product without that trust, without that social proof of reviews, and to do that usually it's finding that price where it's like a person might not trust you yet but they're like shoot at this price. I'll go ahead and get it. All right for a couple of my products. You know like I had one product that my target price is going to be 24 bucks. To me that was like 12 bucks. It was like an egg tray for my coffin letter board that I was doing. My target price is going to be like $39. I had to launch at 17 because I just wanted to like make it a no brainer for people to get it all right. The other reason to have this low price, uh, is that's when I start my Vine, which is the next step of the honeymoon period is, start your Vine as soon as your low price goes active.

Bradley Sutton:

Now, the reason is because the Amazon Vine reviewers there's two reasons, there's two reasons of this reason. Right, Amazon Vine reviewers, they only have so many products they can get for free before they have to start declaring tax or something like that. So, even though they're not paying for the product, they sometimes prioritize the lower price products so that it doesn't count so much to that monthly total that they have to hit or that they can't hit unless they hit that tax threshold. The other reason is it gives you a better chance to have a positive review from Vine. The Vine reviewers can see the product price and so if your product is full price $39, and they just a little bit kind of don't like the product, well, they might give you three or four stars when you're trying to get five stars because they're like ah, the value is not that great. I was expecting more. But now think about it. If they had the product, maybe they, they, they didn't like it too much. But then they remember oh shoot, this product is like $13. And I'm going to go ahead and give it five stars because it was $13. You like, like that, it's still a good value, all right. So you see how it could be a difference not always, but it could be the difference of you getting a three and a four star or a four and a five star, right. So those are the two reasons why I do a low price.

Bradley Sutton:

Now the question is how to do low prices. All right, there's different ways, but you got to be careful because nowadays Amazon change again. This year we'll have you lose the buy box If you had a certain price using the sale price and then later you keep trying to raise it up. Like, at that price, I want to raise the $34. I started at 13. Maybe I go to 15. Once I hit like 22 or something, there's like no, no, you're you number of purchases at that new price point before I can go to something else. All right. So that's where you got to be careful. So there's different ways to do discounts. You can do a big coupon when you first launch, so you might want to do the coupon first, see how it works. You can just do a promotional price. All right, now you got to be careful.

Bradley Sutton:

Sometimes those don't show up that that noticeable in the search results. You could just do a sale price on the product, right, especially that works if you get that strikethrough. Or you could do the discount. That's like something newish that Amazon just launched this year, the price discount section. But here's the thing If you're going to be doing this in phases, right, if you're doing a price discount, you're locked in at that discount and then the next thing you have to do is just go to that regular price, because you cannot go and say, all right, I'm going to do a 50-price discount now, in two weeks let me make that a 40. No, you can only go the other direction with price discounts. Amazon sets that as the cheapest price in 30 days and you can't just keep going a little bit higher. It's gonna say no, it's got to be at least 51 discounts now or something, something like that if your discount was 50. So then that's why sometimes maybe the first thing you do is a coupon and then the next thing you do is the price discount and then the next thing you do is like the sale price and then hope that Amazon gives you your buy box. But sometimes it doesn't. You're going to have to just grin and bear it and start raising that price up, little by little by getting those orders and raising that average price velocity. That whatever sets off Amazon's price. Um, you know, price matching, a buy box suppression that they do.

Bradley Sutton:

Now, again, the whole reason of this, of this big discount whether it's 50%, 60%, whatever you're doing is you're trying to get that sales velocity on those keywords, on those PPC keywords, those launch PPC campaign that you're doing, you're showing up at the top of the search results. Somebody searched that keyword. They see you at the top, they click it, they buy it. That's going to help your organic ranking. All right. So just keep doing that until you can get reach organic rank that you're trying to reach. Now, once you hit that eight-day CPR mark or once you're just happy with your organic ranking, you turn off that fixed bid, turn off that target for that keyword, that you reach your ranking, that you like it. And then that's when I switched to that keyword, to my down, my down, only, my down only regular performance campaign. Because you know that fixed bid, I'm paying a lot of money for that position I want to dial back a little bit and just kind of, like you know, find what my evergreen bid is going to be. So you want to do that, one by one as you start achieving your organic ranks or your CPR number, until all of those in your launch campaign are finished, and then you just close, not archive, but just pause that entire launch campaign with all of those individual targets that are paused, all right. So that's pretty much the Maldives Honeymoon Strategy.

Bradley Sutton:

Now let's go ahead and hop in and show you some of these things in action and what kind of results I had. Here's an example of one of the products I launched an 18-egg rack launch, all right. Here's my PPC campaign that I did, my launch campaign, and you can see that now they're all paused. But I had put a fixed bid and I had a very high bid here. Now look at this problem. This was like all the way back in June 14 to 16, three days. This was on my actual listing. I didn't do a test listing on this. Look at this for some of my keywords I was getting no impressions almost in three days. And for egg holder countertop my main keyword only 131 impressions in three days. I got this shows when my listing actually started was 614. All right, so this was terrible for the first three days of my listing. So I took the listing, I threw in a Cerebro, I ran it and I checked Amazon recommended rank. It only had me relevant, for whatever reason, for two stinking keywords. All right, kitchen decor and kitchen rack. Not even what my product is. And so now it's like okay, there's no doubt. Like obviously Amazon's confused.

Bradley Sutton:

So then what I did was like I sent in my little Slack on June 16th. I'm like all right, I sent this to a couple employees here at Helium 10. I'm like hey guys, tomorrow, tonight or tomorrow can, can you guys do something for this case study? And it's also about my release date. You know I was testing something on my release date and I said hey, search egg holder countertop and then you'll see this product in the sponsored ads. Hopefully it's not. It's not showing you impressions. So it's like way down the line, you might have to go to another page because it's not giving me many impressions, but try to find it, click on that sponsored ad and purchase it. All right, and so that's what they did.

Bradley Sutton:

Now, meantime, I had other issues with this listing Again. This is why I'm like saying you've got to do these test listings. Is, the pre-buy wasn't even like allowing me to launch this product and so, like I had to, I had this whole case I had with seller support, where I was trying to get that fixed, all at the same time that I was messing with my relevancy. So this, all of this, I should have done on a test listing if I had followed my own advice, but I was doing this on a live listing. Now, as you guys can see, right on June 16th, as soon as they started doing those orders, now, all of a sudden, I started showing up at the top. On June 14th and 15th, I was barely showing up, I was barely getting impressions. I was showing up in like number 50, number 55 for sponsored rank, right Now. Finally, I got my relevancy fixed, but then that's when I had this other problem where my listing just completely went dead and I had to fight for like two or three days to even get it working. And then I finally got it working back on June 16, June 17, around there, and so that's why you can see the sponsored rank increase.

Bradley Sutton:

Now what was the result of those search find by? In order to send those relevancy signals Again, not for rank, but to send those relevancy signals to Amazon. Take a look at this to send those relevancy signals to Amazon. Take a look at this when I ran in Cerebro on June 19th, just three days after they did that relevancy signal push those three coworkers here at Helium 10. Take a look now at the Amazon recommended rank. Remember how it was only showing two keywords for Amazon recommended rank. Now it was showing multiple ones and it put that keyword that I sent the relevancy signal for egg holder countertop it had Amazon recommended rank number three, which basically means that that was the third most important keyword according to Amazon for this product.

Bradley Sutton:

Now do you remember what I was getting for impressions in PPC? Like 200 total impressions over three days? What did sending those relevant signals to Amazon do for my PPC impressions? Take a look at this the next three-day period from June 19th when my relevancy got fixed to June 21st instead of 200 impressions, 5,000 impressions, 4,000 of that. What keyword was it for? Egg holder countertop, that one that I sent those relevancy signals to Amazon for. This works, guys. Now what happened to my organic rank now that I was able to finally start getting some impressions in PPC and really doing my Maldives Honeymoon Strategy? Look at my organic rank Now that I was able to finally start, you know, getting some impressions in PPC and really doing my Maldives Honeymoon Strategy.

Bradley Sutton:

Look at my organic rank. I was on page two, you know, on the first few days of my listing, by June 20th, I was already on page one only one day later. And then by June 23rd, I was like in the top five on page one for my main keyword egg holder countertop. Uh, remember I was targeting other longer tail versions of that Fresh egg holder countertop. June 23rd in the top six positions. Another keyword fresh egg holder. All right, so that's part of egg holder countertop fresh egg holder. By June 23rd in the top 10 positions for that keyword. And I was able to stick the landing there Because of some of those sales velocity that I got. I got this new arrival pick badge. Sometimes I'll get the new arrival pick, sometimes I'll get other badges like the top new seller. These kind of will help your conversions as well. If you can get these badges, you can also see because I got those five orders at regular price Amazon gave me a strike through price and it said list price $33.97, my price $24.97.

Bradley Sutton:

I did the same exact thing for a very similar product that was a 36-egg holder. I did now one for 24 egg holder. I was like pick the same exact keywords like a month or two later, do the same exact thing, just to make sure. Hey, I got to make sure this strategy wasn't just a fluke. Can I reproduce these results? And sure enough, the same thing happened. Before doing anything, I launched the product. I only had Amazon relevancy for kitchen rack, kitchen holder, kitchen decor, a little bit more, but still no egg holder countertop. But this time I was ready. So from day one I had more employees at Helium 10 said hey, go ahead. Instead of doing a search, find, buy, do a two-step URL using a field, ASIN URL. And I gave them that link and I even gave them a discount code or a coupon. And that not only did it work, but it still gave me that strike through price, even though I was using a discount code on it. And what did it do for my relevancy? Take a look here On July 19th I got egg holder countertop to be the number five most Amazon recommended rank keyword for my product.

Bradley Sutton:

So again, I completely reproduced the results, which kind of just proves this strategy. But at the end of the day, what happened to my organic rank? Same thing, you know. The middle of July, when I didn't have that relevancy, I was, you know, rank page two, page three. As soon as I made those relevancy hits, within a day or two it put me into the top three positions organically even so that I could maintain one of the top ranks for this new product. Here's another product I recently launched in the last month Coffin Letterboard. A little bit more of a competitive niche on Amazon than some of these A-Racks. I was able to get the number one new release in changeable letterboards category due to this launch. Doing this launch got me within one week on all of my main phase one launch keywords every single one that I had targeted I got top three and then one of them had top eight only for organic rank. Within one week of my launch, I even got brand analytics the number two clicked keyword for the whole keyword for this brand-new product launch.

Bradley Sutton:

Here's another product I launched in another category. I was able to get the number one new release. Here you can see I got a nice red negative 58% discount off of a typical price $44.97. I was able to do that with five full price buys and then doing the discount price here, the price discount to 1897. It gave me a big, nice red minus 58% off. So, guys, these strategies work all right. This is something that I obsess over Now. Is Amazon going to change the algorithm and are you going to have to start doing new things later on for ranking? Of course, every single year I've done this Maldives, sun, moon strategy. I always have new things because Amazon is always changing. The way the Amazon algorithm works is always changing, but the fundamental principles, guys, have not changed. The fundamental principles are you've got to play to the Amazon algorithm and you've got to play to your target customer. If you're doing these things, you don't have to worry about what might change with AI and not, because, at the end of the day, amazon is trying to serve the customer. It's going to have machine learning, it's going to have AI, it's going to have whatever. But what is Amazon trying to do at the end of the day? Make sure they're showing relevant products to the customer so that Amazon can get its commission and its.

Bradley Sutton:

With doing your Listing Optimization, your keyword research, keep these fundamentals. Know the right keywords. All right, even if things change to AI in the future, amazon still needs to know from day one what your listing is. If you don't have the right keywords in there, it's not like AI is going to magically make you relevant for keywords or for use cases that you don't even have anywhere in your listing. All right, so you have got to be able to create your listings in a way that makes the Amazon algorithm happy and that makes a customer happy, because it's later on uh, after that launch phase. It's customer interactions with your product, the ways that customers find your product, the way that they click, the way that they add to cart, the way that they actually purchase it, the reviews they leave about your product. This is what's going to sustain you, these things that I show. This helps you get to page one, you know. But then, if you don't convert, if Amazon buyers don't leave you good reviews, if they're returning their product a lot, if they click on your product and they don't like your listing, so they click off of it and buy another one. Your organic rank is not going to stick. You're not going to have success.

Bradley Sutton:

So, guys, I love doing this episode every year, not just because I get to come to cool places like the Maldives, like this, but it's because launch is my passion and I'm always going to be doing lots of tests. I only showed you about three or four different tests, but I've launched over 10 products in the last six months or so where I've been testing different things, and I'm going to continue to keep launching new products to make sure what's working, what's not working. Now, if anything huge happens, I might have to come back to the Maldives or something before episode 700, I guess that's a big sacrifice I'll have to make to have to come back here. But otherwise, consider this your go to launch strategy for the next year or so and then we'll come back for episode 700, to maybe another resort here in the Maldives, and then I'll try and let you know what's new that's going to work with launch. Well, guys, I hope you guys are able to use these strategies and I wish you the most of success using these Maldives Honeymoon Launch Strategies for your next Amazon product launch. We'll see you in the next episode.

We’re back with another episode of the Weekly Buzz with Helium 10’s Sr Brand Evangelist and Walmart Expert, Carrie Miller. Every week, we cover the latest breaking news in the Amazon, Walmart, and E-commerce space, talk about Helium 10’s newest features, and provide a training tip for the week for serious sellers of any level.

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• 00:51 - TikTok Search Ads

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TikTok shop ads launch in the US new potential tariffs targeting Chinese e-commerce sellers, and Amazon, Walmart and Target are battling it out for deals in October. All of this and more on this week's episode of the Weekly Buzz.

Bradley Sutton:

How cool is that? Pretty cool, I think. Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of the Serious Sellers Podcast by Helium 10. I'm your host, Bradley Sutton, and this is the show. That is our Helium 10 Weekly Buzz, where we give you a rundown of all the news stories that are going on in the Amazon, Walmart, e-commerce world. We highlight the latest new feature alerts from Helium 10, and we review a training tip of the week that'll give you serious strategies for serious sellers of any level in the e-commerce world. Now, today, our host is going to be Keri Miller. So, Keri, take it away and let us know what's buzzing.

Carrie Miller:

Okay. So the first story is that TikTok search ads campaigns have launched in the US, and I'll go ahead and show the article here. It's basically allowing for keyword based search ads that target users directly in the search results. Now if you're a TikTok user, you know a lot of the ads actually come on your For you page when you're kind of scrolling. So it's kind of a more generic approach. But now sellers can actually target keywords when consumers are actually searching in TikTok for something specific. So this is potentially stepping up competition with Google Ads, as TikTok is becoming a go-to search engine, in addition to becoming a social media platform. So let's go ahead and take a look at this article. If we scroll down a little bit, it says previously ads on the TikTok search page were more generic, but now brands can tailor their ads to align with specific search behaviors. Now it goes on to further say why this matters. It says that TikTok has a growing role as a search engine for younger users. 57% of users use the app's search function, according to internal TikTok data, and this new feature lets you capture attention at critical moments of intent. TikTok's move could threaten Google's dominance, as younger users are increasingly using social media for search instead of traditional search engines. So, if you recall, last week Bradley actually did talk about this on the Weekly Buzz and he said that there's a report that says over 50% of Gen Zers are going to be shopping on TikTok for the holiday season. So that's very interesting and very good numbers if you really wanted to start targeting on TikTok. And let's talk about the actual numbers of these actual ads. TikTok's testing shows that combining search ads with in-feed ads boost conversion by 20%, with users who don't engage with an ad initially more likely to interact with after seeing a related ad in the search. So that's very interesting information. So definitely something to consider when you are going into Q4 and wanna really boost your sales this holiday season.

Carrie Miller:

Okay, so let's go ahead and get into the next article Now. The next article is interesting and it's titled Tariffs Targeting Chinese E-commerce Could Damp Demand. Okay, so this is definitely something that is gonna be very interesting for a lot of e-commerce sellers because, as I don't know if anyone remembers if you've been watching I actually mentioned that Amazon is launching a direct-to-consumer program for Chinese sellers to sell directly to consumers in the US through the Amazon platform, and I mentioned this might make some US sellers a bit upset, you know, because a lot of the small parcels they're not taxed the same, you don't have to deal with the same logistics charges and things like that. So you know this basically gives Chinese sellers a much higher margins because of the lack of tariffs. You know, no warehouse and distribution costs associated with the traditional kind of container imports. There's a lot of other things that kind of go in with these small parcels. I know, for example, me as a consumer, I did order something on TikTok that I thought was gonna be great quality and it was actual garbage. It actually was shipped directly from China through customs. So really kind of is an interesting you know thing that we should really be considering for consumer protection as well as well. As you know, for US sellers, when you're providing quality, then it's going to help boost you a little bit more because it's going to kind of close off this way of kind of things that are come low quality coming into the US without having to even pay those taxes or being searched.

Carrie Miller:

So in this article, if I scroll down here, it says the White House this month said it would soon tighten eligibility and increase information requirements for low value imports that qualify for duty free status in an effort to prevent businesses from evading duty payments. It goes on to say a little bit further down it says the proposal is expected to result in higher consumer prices for small shipments. So that actually could be a better thing for US sellers who are offering the quality. But then if we go down further, this is really where it gets interesting for the consumer. Let's scroll all the way down. It says. Over the last 10 years the number of shipments entering the US claiming the de minimis exemption has exploded from about 140 million to more than 1 billion a year, according to the CBP figures, and the US is on track to import nearly 1.5 billion parcels in the current fiscal year, 4 million per day, and that is actually going to end on September 30th.

Carrie Miller:

The overwhelming volume of parcel shipments has made it difficult for us customs and other agencies to enforce trade laws, health and safety requirements, intellectual property rights, consumer protection rules and to block illicit synthetic drugs such as fentanyl and clothing made from forced labor from entering into the country illegally. That's kind of an interesting thing to to take a look at, especially as a consumer. You know, like I said, I actually it was like a hair oil that I ordered from TikTok and the quality was just garbage and it smelled funky. So you know, this is a consumer protection issue. You think should you know that shouldn't be coming into the US, are coming into the US because there's just an overwhelming amount. So this is definitely something that you know hopefully will happen and you, you know we can continue as our. You know, other sellers who are providing quality products can kind of beat out these sellers that are not doing the high quality products.

Carrie Miller:

Okay, the next article that we have here is about Google. Google is doing search tests in the shopping e-commerce card. So if we take a look at this article, you can actually see a little bit of what they're kind of testing. So the article is really stating that you can actually see a little bit of what they're kind of testing. So the article is really stating that you know Google's testing. It's using its top card format for shopping and ecommerce related queries and information and this shows product results with pricing on the left, with popular stores on the right and then some review content in the form of content and videos on the right side. So they're kind of moving maybe towards more video content and I'll scroll down a little bit more in this article because this is what it usually looks like, and you can probably Google this right now and still see this. But we've got, you know, the actual, the product with a picture and the price, as well as the reviews, whereas I think they're kind of moving more towards the kind of video reviews, since a lot of people are into seeing that kind of stuff on social media, so they might be kind of testing this out to see how they can compete with social media, and I think that's a really smart move on the part of, you know, Google’s, you know, just for Google, just because they are competing with these other social media platforms that are becoming more like search engines.

Carrie Miller:

All right, let's go into the next article, and that is basically, if you missed out, on Amazon Accelerate. I know a lot of people had FOMO because they didn't make it to Amazon Accelerate. You can actually experience it on demand. They are actually making all of the different sessions and everything that was recorded is available for on demand and it's for free. So you can just register, you can just download, you can just download all that stuff and kind of watch it as you're doing other things and, you know, just to kind of keep yourself up to date on the latest and greatest announcements from Amazon. So go ahead and register for that if you wanted to see some of those sessions and take advantage of that great content.

Carrie Miller:

And then next is another interesting thing and that is that Target is just launched their circle week Target Circle Week and it's going to be for seven days in October, from October 6. Okay, so it's starting October 6. And this is basically, you know, a seasonal seven day sales event that is going to feature holiday essentials, seasonal favorites, all this, that kind of stuff. What's really interesting is that you know, because of the dates, you know, this is going to be competing with Amazon, which is the eighth and the ninth, and then also Walmart that is going to be starting up that that week as well. So it's going to be interesting because Walmart starting up a little bit after Amazon. But if you're selling on target could be kind of interesting Because you might not get the buy box if you are selling at a discounted rate on target the few days before the big Prime Day event happens.

Carrie Miller:

So that's kind of an interesting thing to consider how you're going to be balancing out the pricing. And then there's also Walmart, because everyone wants to make sure that we have, you know, price parity along, you know, on all of the platforms, and that could cause you to lose the buy box. So could maybe be something to consider if you want to tighten up your strategy with any discounts or make sure you have the same exact discount across the board, kind of even before the Prime Day deal event starts. That could be a strategy. So I'm curious to know if anyone knows a strategy to deal with this and what you maybe did last year. If you want to put that in the comments below, I would love to hear your thoughts on that, because I think that's going to be kind of a big issue, especially as more sellers are in on Target, on Walmart, on Amazon, on TikTok, on all the different platforms. So really need to strategize when it comes to these big deal days.

Carrie Miller:

Okay, and the next thing, I actually don't have an article to share, but Walmart actually has announced that they have some cash advances with discounted fees going into Q4. I think mostly to help prepare for the holiday rush and to help with working capital. Especially, you know, cash flow is kind of a really challenging thing for sellers. So Walmart is going to be making some capital available through Capital by Paraffin and Payoneer and so, if you're eligible, you can actually go into Seller Center and you can, you know, figure out how to kind of get access to that funding. I think it will actually kind of pop up in there if you are eligible for it, but if not, you can also message seller support and see if you're eligible for some of their funding. And then they also have a pricing insights dashboard and I think that this is going to be very helpful going into the holidays. It's basically going to help you regularly monitor your pricing throughout the holidays and that is, you know, just to make sure that you stay competitive, and it's going to help kind of give you an insight on the pricing insights dashboard. That gives you, you know, pricing metrics, metrics at the SKU level, to help you make good decisions If you need to kind of discount your products further or, you know, if you're in, you know, in good competition with other sellers. Um, the dashboard is actually going to be refreshed regularly so that you can act quickly to update an item pricing, either individually or in bulk, and the dashboard also gives you flexibility to add items to the repricer or make price updates in the dashboard without having to submit spec files. So they're making it easy and fast for you to kind of see what you need to do in terms of pricing and then make those changes as quickly as possible. So that's kind of the latest and greatest updated news for Walmart. Okay, so we have a new Helium 10 update, which is very exciting.

Carrie Miller:

If you are in France, Germany, Spain, Italy or the UK markets, we are releasing keyword sales data in Cerebro, magnet, listing Builder, listing Analyzer, keyword Tracker, insights Dashboard and Product Launchpad for all of those countries. So again, those European countries are France, Germany, Spain, Italy and the UK. So I'm going to show you what that actually looks like. So here is a picture of. This is actually the US market, but this is what it'll look like in any of those markets that I just mentioned. You're gonna be able to see the keyword sales in the dashboard. So in your insights dashboard, right when you log in, you'll also be able to see them in Cerebro. So this keyword sales data for, again, all those other markets in Europe the France, Germany, Spain, Italy, in the UK, you'll also be able to see it in Magnet, as you can see here. So we've got magnet right here. You can see the keyword sales right here and then listing. So this is listing analyzer and at the very bottom, where you see the keywords, you can now see the keyword sales there as well. At listing builder, now when you go to open competitor comparison, when you actually look at this, you can see the keyword sales here. So that's really helpful for you to kind of like basically decide which are the most important keywords based on the keyword sales when you do that little competitor listing comparison there. And then you can also see it in product launchpad. So when you have your product launchpad open, you can actually see the keyword sales for all those different keywords that you added into your product launchpad idea. There's definitely a lot of really good stuff in there If you are in those markets. Those are. Those are huge updates for us to give you that data, especially because it's going to help you to kind of make sure you're targeting the most important keywords that have, you know, the higher keyword sales, maybe lower search volumes. So definitely take a look at that if you're in those markets. Really, really helpful information.

Carrie Miller:

Next, I'm going to be showing you portals in Helium 10, I'm going to show you how you can take an FNSKU and create a custom barcode label to give to your factory in China or other you know countries, and I'm going to walk you through the flow and show you how to do this. So the first thing you want to do is you want to log into Helium 10. And then you're going to go to this tools button at the very top and then we're going to go down and we're going to click on portals and then, once you're in portals, you're going to be able to see a bunch of different things, but what we're going to show you today is this barcode labels, and this is going to be how we're going to be able to create these labels for our factories. So click on new barcode and what you want to have in here is you want to have either an FN SKU, an ASIN or UPC code. I have a FNSKU here.

Carrie Miller:

I'm just going to paste in there, and then the next thing you want to do is you can put the product URL if you already have it launched, or you can create a custom product URL so you can put the product name, you can upload an image, you can say the condition, you can put the ASIN and the SKU in. But I'm just going to go and take our URL from Amazon here and I'm just going to go ahead and do it that way because it makes it a lot faster and then it's going to pull up all the information here so you can see it has the picture of the actual product it has, and then you can fill in the SKU. If it doesn't show up with the SKU, you can fill in your SKU there. But I'm just going to go ahead and hit save and continue and then we're going to look at the size. So you can actually choose the size, how you want to show it. You want to show it in inches, centimeters, millimeters. You can choose the different sizes here, and then you can do either portrait or landscape, and then hit save and continue and then you're going to choose the template. So I'm just going to choose this generic black one and since I already have I actually, in portals, have uploaded my logo here.

Carrie Miller:

You can see that we have all that information in here already and you can actually provide more information right here if you wanted to. Whatever it is that you want to type in there, if you need to, and then what you can do is hit save and finish, and then, if you want to download this, you can just hit the download button and then they we always recommend that you, you know, test these out before you send them. So make sure you test it out with a smartphone or you know any apps that you can scan any of these just to make sure that it's it works properly. And double, you know, always test before your mass produce, and then you can just download it and you'll see that as you download it here and there, it is right there. So that is basically super easy. How you can just create those little barcode labels. We made it super easy for you to do so go ahead and check that out If you haven't ever done that before. It makes it super fast and easy.

Carrie Miller:

Thank you all for joining me this week on the Weekly Buzz for all the latest and greatest news stories, as well as the Helium 10 updates and the training. We look forward to seeing you again next week. I do believe Bradley will be back next week for the Weekly Buzz, so we'll see you next week to see what's buzzing. Bye, everyone.

Howard Thai, the legendary "Professor of Amazon," is back to share his game-changing insights straight from the playbooks of top Chinese Amazon sellers. Curious about the secret tactics that can revolutionize your Amazon product launch? He'll reveal how to optimize your listings, uncover top-performing keywords, and navigate the surge of Chinese sellers on TikTok Shop following recent policy shifts. Plus, get a glimpse into Howard's unique journey, his time in the US, his return to China, and his passion for the epic anime Naruto.

Our conversation doesn't stop there. We'll dissect the global selling opportunities on TikTok Shop, highlighting the stark differences in ease of access for Chinese sellers compared to others. Learn the proven strategies for success on the platform, including the importance of daily multiple video postings, leveraging affiliates, and smart ad usage. Discover the potential of live shopping and the groundbreaking impact of AI influencers in China, and how US sellers can adopt these innovative practices.

Lastly, we'll tackle the escalating challenge of ranking products on Amazon amidst soaring PPC costs and the growing emphasis on external traffic. Howard shares actionable insights on using external deal sites like DealNews and Woot to drive traffic and boost product rankings. Dive into practical advice on securing initial reviews and sales through varied promotional tactics, including social media and PPC. Plus, get an insider look at different deal strategies to maximize visibility and sales, and hear about exciting travel plans to China with Howard, promising new adventures and networking.

In episode 599 of the Serious Sellers Podcast, Bradley and Howard discuss:

• 00:00 - Strategies From Top Chinese Amazon Sellers

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Bradley Sutton:

Today we're going to talk to a seller who used to be one of the top 100 sellers all time at Amazon and even has the nickname Professor of Amazon. He's going to give us some inside strategies from top Chinese sellers, what they're using for launching that you've probably never heard of before, like using what deals and more. How cool is that? Pretty cool, I think. Do you want to see how your listing or maybe competitors listing rates as to best practices for listing optimization? Or maybe you want to compare a group of ASINs or Amazon products to see how they compare to each other? Maybe you want to see within seconds the top keywords for a single listing or a group of listings? You can do that and more with the Helium 10 tool listing analyzer. For more information, go to h10.me forward slash listing analyzer.

Bradley Sutton:

Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of the Serious Sellers podcast by Helium 10. I am your host, Bradley Sutton, and this is the show that's completely BS free, unscripted and unrehearsed, organic conversation about serious strategies or serious sellers of any level in the e-commerce world. We are going on the other side of the world, completely different time zone, a different day. I think it's like Saturday over there. It's Friday night here at Helium 10. The whole entire Helium 10 had the day off today. Like, sometimes they give us random days off like a recharge, so they're like you know what? Everybody in the whole company, you guys, get the day off, but I'm having Howard have to record again because there's technical difficulties. So you know what? I'm coming in on my holiday, on my, my vacation day, at uh, what time is it? 8 pm on a Friday night and I'm like I'm here for you, Howard, because I need the world to know what you have to say. The professor of Amazon. Guys, Howard, welcome back to the show.

Howard:

Thank you very much Bradley. Nice to be back on.

Bradley Sutton:

You notice my shirt here?

Howard:

Oh wow, yep, Naruto. Well, I love Naruto.

Bradley Sutton:

You and I are about the same age, like literally months apart, and so I think we both grew up with some similar things. So you were probably in your UCSD really close to me days when you were into Naruto here, and I believe you went even to Japan and even got more into it, right?

Howard:

Yeah, I'm really into Naruto and I'm side by side with Japan when they released the translated version of it.

Bradley Sutton:

You're back in China. How long have you been back in China?

Howard:

I left the US on June 10th so I came back here around June. I was traveling around with uh in Beijing for the family, and then uh Xi'an for my mom, my wife's side. Then uh, I went to um, I went back to around like July 4th or 3rd or something like that and I'm here to stay.

Bradley Sutton:

So I've been back, been back like for good, back like like for good or like for a year, or what would you talk?

Howard:

well before before the whole covid stuff. I've been in China since 2009, so I'm like one of the first Chinese Amazon seller here, like I mean basically a China-owned company that is selling on Amazon.

Bradley Sutton:

Ah, that's right, I forgot about that. You were always based out there after you for a long time, but then you came back here because, yeah, China was not exactly a great place to be during COVID, so that's why you're out here, okay, okay. So yeah, in your honor. Anyways, you see I'm wearing my Chinese baseball team hat, even got the Chinese colors on the side here. So, yeah, there we go. All right, I'm right on theme with the Naruto and China hat. Now, first thing I want to ask you I've seen you talk a little bit more about it, um, lately is now that you've been back in China, maybe your eyes have been opened a little bit more uh, about the strength of Chinese sellers on TikTok shop. Because I think in the beginning, like TikTok shop was mainly like all right, us companies a little bit harder for foreign companies to get on. But now correct me if I'm wrong TikTok shop has kind of like opened up the floodgates where now, all of a sudden, there's a lot more Chinese sellers on there. Is that right?

Howard:

Okay so before, like TikTok shop was only for in China, right, US was only for sellers that are selling in Amazon over $2 million. Then after, like recently, like last month, like early, early last month, they opened a floodgate to everyone. But there is still requirements, so there are little requirements, they have to be a seller and so on. But uh, it was like it's like wide open kind of you could say.

Bradley Sutton:

And for like for you know,USs customers it's pretty strict, you know, not not too strict. Like team I've been trying to get on Tmula. That's just ridiculous. I got to take pictures of me holding up signs and the 17 different addresses have to match. It's crazy. But TikTok shop was not too too hard to get signed up for. I think I got denied the first time because an address didn't match but I got it hooked up pretty fast. But foreigners, you know, like if I'm in Estonia, if I'm in Argentina or wherever, it's impossible to sign up for TikTok shop unless I've got like a friend or a family member who's got a social security number who can tie to the account. But if you're Chinese they get to skip that requirement.

Howard:

Well, no, they get registered as a Chinese to get in.

Bradley Sutton:

That's what I mean. They don't need to have a friend or family who has a social security?

Howard:

So if you are a Chinese Hong Kong or Taiwan then you don't need that. Um, you know, you can just use your own nationality to get in and sell on TikTok shop US. And actually the good thing is about this. Oh, I'm not sure if it's good, but let's say, in China, I mean, it's always like, oh, everyone favors China, right, but the TikTok shop in China is global selling, meaning they open all the countries up US, UK, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Vietnam and also Thailand. Was it Thailand or Malaysia? I forgot, it was like all of the list of TikTok shop that you can actually sell on. So it's not just one and US is only for one right now, and I don't even think we can even open TikTok shop UK.

Bradley Sutton:

Yeah, yeah, I know UK was there before US, but I they're not. Really. It's not like Amazon, where your Amazon token is connected and then it's kind of like you just switch and then now you're on your UK token or something. You can't really do that on TikTok shop, that's. But you're saying Asia, you can, Okay. So now, now lot of uh sellers out there. Hey, that's not fair, why? Why is TikTok shop giving uh, giving advantage to Chinese sellers? Hey guys, it's a Chinese company, they can do whatever they. They can do whatever they want. Um, what are the majority of the Chinese TikTok shop sellers doing? Are they shipping from like Amazon inventory warehouses in US? Or are they doing the kind of like Temu-ish direct shipping, using those subsidies, uh, to customers who buy the product?

Howard:

So there was the old-fashioned TikTok. So right now mostly it's based in the US inventory for TikTok shop or fulfilled by TikTok mainly it's all fulfilled by TikTok. Or if you are a seller to open, probably just like a seller-fulfilled TikTok in the US, though You're not supposed to be. Yeah, mainly that's what it is.

Bradley Sutton:

Any like little mini hacks or or TikTok shops. You know, before we get onto our Amazon stuff, uh, that you can. You know that you've learned since you've been back there, like like, uh, I'm wearing my red hat today, but I could be wearing my white hat. No, I'm definitely not wearing a black hat. So no black hat strategies, but but what is a one you know quick? You know, I know we usually do 30 seconds, 60 seconds strategy at the end of the show. We'll do an Amazon one then. But what's a 30 60 second tip you can give us about TikTok shop?

Howard:

I'm not sure what level people out there are, but uh, from what I know is uh in the US they're pretty much getting started. So there's just, it's just like Amazon you got to spend money to get the velocity. You need to start making sure that you get a lot of uh affiliates and you're also making sure that you're posting, making sure that you're uh having more videos a day continuously and doing ads.

Bradley Sutton:

So that's multiple videos a day. Somebody should be posting uh to their like brand page and then, at the same time, don't just rely on that, but use, use affiliates, what? What about live Like? Like you know, should we be in the live streaming? Is that? Is that like a? I know it's obviously not on a level of of China, like I saw that one lady in China who has like this I don't know what, what you call it, but like a, like a conveyor belt, and then products are coming and she literally shows her product for two seconds, throws it away two seconds and she's making millions of dollars. I know America's not at that level yet for live shopping, but what should sellers be doing for live shopping? As far as TikTok shop goes?

Howard:

China still doesn't have the culture for the US side live shopping. So we still have in the US. We still have a chance to US. We still have like a chance to like really do a really good job on the live because the way they uh speak and so on. But right now it's getting more and more uh sophisticated in China they're doing using AI influencers, doing all the lives, so in 24/7 they could be doing live every single second. So that's something that we need to catch up on. And things like tools. All the tools you think about TikTok is made by China. Right, Douyin is from China, and then TikTok is a version of Douyin with a little less functionality, and all the tools out there that you can think of for TikTok is made by Chinese companies. So if you really want to learn more TikTok, you should probably learn from the Chinese first and see what you can get out of it.

Bradley Sutton:

Yeah, and then now, like I said mentioned before, Temu is also trying to recruit US sellers. I don't have much to say there, but I know Temu is actually last month was in some trouble. Chinese sellers were actually upset with Temu. They were storming the offices and stuff like that. So I'm not sure what the future is for Temu, but it's still a very strong marketplace. It's like number number two or three as far as app usage and stuff. So that's a that's one to to be on the lookout for too. But mainly we like to talk about Amazon here and uh, I didn't. I didn't get to see your last mastery call that you did in your Elite Sellers Society, but I saw the outline of it and it looked like it was all about how to use deals. So, first of all, what deals are you talking about? Is this like lightning deals, deals of the day, prime, exclusive discounts, all of the above? Or what was your major focus for this?

Howard:

topic. So the master call that we had regarding deals was mainly talking about outside traffic deals, because Amazon right now is. Why is it getting harder for it to do Amazon? It's because Amazon wants you to push external traffic. That's why it's harder. People are doing the old way. They're doing only the one that yo go to BBC and everyone's does BBC. Bbc costs are going up so you have to do outside external traffic and what the deal was talking about is using the high ranking, all the stick deals, deal news woods and those kind of deal sites to help you rank your products. Let me just talk about it. So those are deal sites. Probably most of you guys heard of it before. So these deal sites are where Anchors starts coming in right. Anchor is the first people that came in with the deal sites to rank products back in like the days uh. So what it is is that you put your product on the on the deal sites. You push it to. Either you push it to your uh uh Amazon or you push it to your website. So when, if you put it, put it on, if you push it on uh on Amazon, then you will be able to rank your product on Amazon with the sales velocities and so on, keywords as well, um, and you can even put uh. And then, if you put it on your website, you're able to make sure that your product is either, when people go onto the website is, either to buy it from your website or to Amazon directly, because there's a go to I won't buy on Amazon kind of like little tag or little uh, a little button so they can. Depending on if you are matured or not. If you're already matured, you're just going to go, uh, directly to Amazon. But if you're like already pretty well off and you're like kind of, um, not, you're not sure if you need to rank or not, they can turn on and off the button to go to Amazon. So based on if you need to..

Bradley Sutton:

Let me ask a quick question Is that going to the canonical URL or is it just going to the ASIN-based URL?

Howard:

It could be anything, any URL you want.

Bradley Sutton:

That's one thing I haven't tested, but whenever I tested it for years and years, it's not like, oh, I'm going to get to page one for keywords that are in my canonical URL. But you could always see if you ever did a deal site or some outside traffic or in Google just going to your base canonical URL, then if you had some good keywords in there, like coffin shelf or something, you would see a bump just on the velocity. Have you done any testing on that recently to see if, like, those words in your canonical still matter or it doesn't matter as much anymore?

Howard:

Canonical probably what matters, but we're talking about the URL in general, right? what you can put like some kind of special URL in there that would be able to uh to rank your product as well.

Bradley Sutton:

Well, yeah, I mean, once you start doing that, though, where were you? I mean? Yeah, I mean you could put a fake canonical URL, potentially, or even a two-step URL, but now you run the risk of getting on Amazon's bad side if you're doing that for the purpose of ranking, but then Amazon could never say anything about your regular canonical URL. Amazon is the one who provides that. You're all just curious to see if you still saw some residual bump. Okay, so then when you launch a new product, let's just say you don't are. Uh, let me give you a scenario. Let's just say that this is a new product for a new brand. Whether I'm a new seller, I'm a old seller, whatever, this is a new product for a new brand. So I don't have too much outside traffic. I don't have a huge email list that I can say go to this listing. What would your launch strategy be? Leveraging these deal sites and, if any, internal Amazon deals?

Howard:

So we could use we call it a strategic deals ranking style to get onto, to rank your Amazon product. First, we look at it, we have to make sure that we have at least 10 reviews and 10 uh, uh, 10 sales a day or something. So that goes from like doing like promotions, uh, social media, like those Amazon influencer coupons, uh, and also PPC. So as long as you get that 10 orders a day, we can actually put you into a special program. It's on Woot, right? So being able to first list..

Bradley Sutton:

W-O-O-T?

Howard:

Yeah, Woot is an Amazon-owned company, so they're able to be able to put your products on Woot. And Woot can do four things Like. One of the things was talking, was you talking about launching a product? The second thing is to be able to like uh, this, uh, uh, clear, clear on all the, all the discontinued items, uh. Third is, if you were like ranked top five you want to be, be, be aggressive and rank number one, or if you're stale, stagnant on like bottom of the page, or like on bottom of the BSR, 100 BSR or something, then you can do something to give yourself some momentum and kickstart the algorithm again and be back up and movable, you know, be able to be ranked again on those old listings. So if you qualify from the requirement that we just talked about, then we could be able to push you into a Woot kind of a special program. What it is is that Woot will be like buying from you, like a wholesaler, right? They're going to be buying your product and, based on your Amazon's average two weeks of sales, they will use that as an average and, with that said, they will then look at it and said, okay, we are able to do three best deals consecutively. So best deals is normally seven days, right? You could either pick seven days or 14 days. So if you want to rank your product on launch wise, we'll do a 14 days best deal, and so. But then in between each best deal, it has to be a seven day rest period. So all three of the all three of the best deals with 14 days could be um, the same price, right? I I mean the best deal price, right? Usually 15% off the normal price you're really selling on. So at that they're looking at oh, two weeks ago, how much sales have you gotten? And they're going to be holding your inventory most likely for 56 days of the for 56 days, meaning that 14 days, seven days, 14 days, seven days and 14 days. So there's three actually 14 day best deals. So then, within those times you are able to do, if you have option to do, deals like lightning deals, within that that seven days, you'll be able to do it with your own account. So they will take the buy box, they will be able to take the buy box from you. They'll take your.

Bradley Sutton:

Woot we're talking about?

Howard:

Yeah, what will take your buy box from you and it's just like moving your inventory to their account, right? So um.

Bradley Sutton:

So if they're using my FBA inventory, it's not like I have to send them inventory directly to some Woot warehouse or something.

Howard:

No, you just have to confirm and let them move those inventory over to their account and it'll just come off of your FBA inventory. From there it could be. So that's a lot of inventory, right? If you're looking at the average two weeks ago and then you have 56 days worth of inventory, that might be a lot. So they will then negotiate a price with you and if you're okay with it, there it is, they're going to start doing your best deals and then your best deals you will not get the buy box?

Bradley Sutton:

What do you mean by negotiate a price, what price the product is going to sell at, or what price we're kind of like selling to what?

Howard:

Selling to what? That's the wholesale price, right?

Bradley Sutton:

What do they? What do they usually like? Like, what's the range? Like, like percentage wise off of your retail price that they're they expect?

Howard:

So it matters a lot about velocity, how much sales you're getting and how much the price point of the product is. If the product is like a hundred dollars, then the percentage uh, like, uh, you're like it costs like uh, say a hundred dollars, right, your cost is a hundred dollars then they'll probably say, hey, I'll take like 70, I'll give you 70 of that. But if your product is a 10 item or 20 item, very cheap, they'll probably lower that to like uh, uh, making it like 40 percent, 30 percent, 40 or something like that. Uh, depending on I'm sorry the price of the deal the price of the deal, not not the cost of your product, but the price of the deal they'll lower it to down to 30 percent. So, depending on how much you remember you don't have to pay anything when they, there's no other extra cost.

Bradley Sutton:

So you're not paying Amazon fee and you're not paying the shipping and and stuff like that?

Howard:

Nothing. It's not even storage right, storage is on them, but the but the problem is PPC is on you. You still have to pay for your PPC, because if the product of brand is, it's still yours right.

Bradley Sutton:

But if they have the buy box? If Woot has the buy box? I'm still able to run the PPC, though it's still going to give me impressions and stuff?

Howard:

So a sponsored brand uh, you can always do, but the thing that you have to do special is you have to use Woot’s portal for PPC in order for you to see. But the great thing is that you can copy over, download your PPC uh report. You know how you like upload the PPC file. You can also download it and then upload it directly to Woot system using same format, the same campaign structure and so on. So it's pretty much like you're copying and pasting it.

Bradley Sutton:

So then let's say I had, you know, an ASIN or an FBA SKU, had 3000 units, and now I close a deal with Woot. I don't have to close my SKU, it just automatically transfers to Woot all 3,000, at least during the time that they're running the deal?

Howard:

They will agree on the amount of quantity to take from you based on your moving average of the two weeks, and you negotiate, say hey, I'm going maybe do more PPC at the time or I'll do other external traffic or something. Then they'll give you a quantity after the quantity and the cost that you're going to be selling to them. Then they will be using that to uh to push traffic and so on. So at the same time you can also use Woot’s website to post your product there. They will automatically be sending external traffic from their website to Woot uh for, to your deal on what uh on Amazon. So there's all that. So let me give you an example. Okay, you have a thousand pieces that you are selling to Woot at $10. And all of a sudden, everything sells out, except they only sold 900. You have 100 left. They will put that 100 back into stock in your inventory and that 100 that they put into stock will start from zero, zero storage date.

Bradley Sutton:

So even if it was there like three months or four months, it kind of resets after Woot gets their hands on it in other words?

Howard:

Yeah, so if you have like old inventory, that's great, because then it's like you can reset the storage date for those for the image getting held back and from the 900 pieces then they will. They will times uh, ten dollars that you're selling to them, so that that will be $9,000, right that they're going to give it to you after 20 days.

Bradley Sutton:

Some of these discounts. It's, it's, it's pretty heavy. It might be like what's your target when you help sellers do this Like, are you trying to pick a price where they can break even or where they only lose 20%? You know, let's say we don't use this strategy and we just do a traditional one like me, like just PPC launch, you know, like, of course I'm still losing money because I'll do like a 40 % off discount code or 50 % out, you know, just to get that momentum now with what you don't have to get that momentum because they're pushing so much. But, but what's your like, how do you help sellers budget for, for, hey, you're going to lose 20 % on this Woot deal but don't worry, it's going to make up for it, or are you actually trying to find a break-even point or what are you trying to do?

Howard:

Most of the time I would say that you would probably break even or lose money right, because you're trying to launch a product, you're going to do PPC, you're going to do hard, so that's not going to really make you money. You're just trying to get rid of inventory or doing velocity of sales for launching. And for the other side, where you're talking about like you're just trying to sell it and not do PPC, then I've seen the cases that you're actually making money because it's like an outlet deal, turbocharged. You have three of them and in between those seven days you can add extra lightning deals in there to even spike up the algorithm even more.

Bradley Sutton:

So Woot’s deals last seven days or?

Howard:

Woot's best deal lasts 14 days each time, right? So it has three of them.

Bradley Sutton:

And then you have to have a break for seven days?

Howard:

Within that seven day break, you can have lightning deals too, your own, or Woot's? That means that there's two lightning deals you can put in there in between. Huh, if you qualify for the deals at the time, you know.

Bradley Sutton:

Now you mentioned some other deal sites. So, like this lounge, like it just works by itself, all right, you go Amazon Woot, Amazon Woot, back and forth. Uh, but then like, in what situation would I use another website, like Slick deals or some of these others that you mentioned?

Howard:

Um, Slick deals is great, uh. If you even go to uh Slick deals and search your competitor, or search that, your keyword, you'll see a lot of your competitors are on there already that are selling you're talking about like tea or coffee, even like supplements are all in there. Like on on like uh Slick deals. Even Woot uses Woot, which is an Amazon company? Amazon also goes to Slick deals to advertise their products on there. The reason why is like the deal of the day or best top deal right now. They also use that to bring in traffic. That's where the traffic is coming from, right. Yes, they put you on a better position on their deal page as well as they bring external traffic into Amazon through like deal sites such as Slick Deals, deal news and Woot and Woot and themselves and other deal sites. Aggregator deals, aggregating sites.

Bradley Sutton:

What else is working for you on the Amazon side, be it advertising, if we're still talking about launch or you have more to talk about deals, what other nuggets can you give us today?

Howard:

Why we have this Temu thing right here. Right, Temu themselves. You can make money and you can also, if you want to really clear out inventory, which everyone else out here that does Amazon or does internet selling, e-commerce or something, has a problem. This is called overstock or like dead, discontinued items. You're using Temu to push out your dead, discontinued items. So, look, if you, if you just post it up there, it's not going to sell, most likely it's going to just be whatever. Right, but you have to work out a special agreement with with Temu. Hey, Temu, I want you to help push this product. I'm going to be at this price, a low price. So please, let's work out a deal, send traffic to this page and they will send traffic to this page, and we've seen 20,000 orders a day on that product, just almost like a top deal or deal of the day, which it's not as on Amazon, which is not as good as before. But now this is like really doing a really good job on clearing out your inventory. We're doing this with a lot of clients right now. The thing is Temu, yes, they're getting very a lot of criticism back in the day or last couple months ago. Uh, these are mainly factories. These are many factories that does not know how to sell. They're giving cheap products. So there's two ways. There's two problems that are that Temu had with those uh sellers. Those are the first generation sellers we call it uh first generation. And then those are the ones that are factory. They're giving Temu bad inventory and they're also very slow at giving shipping or something. So those are the two where they charge the supplier or the factory cost on that. That's why people are complaining.

Howard:

Second generation people which are based in the US that are selling and using their inventory in the US warehouses here now. So those are not having that kind of problem because they are like Temu has all most uh are are getting all the Chinese Amazon sellers into Temu right now to help themselves. So they getting ready for all the inventories in the US to sell on their website. So, yes, Amazon is trying to do the old-style Temu where they ship from China, but right now Temu is in US and recruiting all the Chinese sellers to put their products into Temu at a lower cost than on Amazon, because Amazon they and Temu they have to be 15 percent less than Amazon. That's one of the deals. So that's how they're rushing in and trying to get all the all the people to come in to uh sell on Temu, especially right now.

Bradley Sutton:

It's all all Chinese sellers yeah, like I said, I've been trying to get on there. Um, I know they're pushing, you know they approach me and, um, even me who they're trying you know, they know who I am and stuff and and they wanted to to help me get some accounts up so I can do some content on it and even despite that, so, so they already know I'm just like this is. So you know you would think that this might be a little bit better service. Uh, I still can't get approved. So so you just imagine if, if you know like you're trying to go to them, like it might be even harder. Um, all right, now you know a lot of your, your advanced strategies. You give out your special masterminds and you know, every year you try and do it, it seems like a little bit better. You know, like I remember, uh, first year I think you did it in Vegas you rented a mansion it was funny it was the exact mansion that we were about to rent a different year for for a Helium 10 party I saw it in the same place, probably that you did. And then the next year you like rented this huge castle in France. And then the next year, like, okay, we're gonna go ahead and rent an island in Thailand, and so this year, I believe you're taking the show to China. So tell us a little bit about what you have planned and where people can go to get more information.

Howard:

Uh you find the information on our website Uh, it's elitesellersociety.com/ess2024. It's two zero two four. Um, we're actually doing it in Ritz Carlton, Sun Zhen, Fu Tian Uh. So it's going to be really really cool. Uh, we're we're trying to get you into one of those. Uh, this is our third time, I believe, in Sun Zhen and we had it where we were thinking. Right now we're trying to plan where we can bring our attendees to some Chinese big Chinese seller's office and show them around as well as taking them out, as well as this two-day main event. Of course, it's on the 22nd and 23rd of October, so that's gonna be really good. We have like Temu there. We have TikTok there. We have uh, uh, other big, uh big people. I'm right now we're talking to Alibaba and and and Seller sprite and stuff. They're they're coming and stuff like that. So there's like so many like really cool people that that or not, people that you should network with there. So that's like uh, I believe we're getting the co-founder of uh Temu. That's gonna be there. So what I would say is there's a lot of opportunity. Uh, in China, everyone is doing the 996 or doing a lot of. It was really learning a lot. Okay, so they're like, doing like they're already at TikTok level. They're mastering that. They're going into, like Facebook, Google ads, they're going to the Shopify side.

Howard:

So, uh, as, as a seller e-commerce it's not just only Amazon you need to expand yourself to social commerce. We're talking about social commerce. It's in TikTok and YouTube, YouTube has their own and also like Shopify, because you need to have Shopify, because people will bounce to your website to try to check you out and also multi-channel marketplaces such as Walmart and Amazon, and, uh, Ebay and other Etsy or or whatever it is. There's a lot of other channels that you should put in there yourself, as well as other countries, right, they, each country has their own, so you can expand. That way. You need to start looking into different channels, because it's getting even Amazon scared of TikToker. You see there were Temu, right? Yeah, they're trying to like, do their, do whatever they're doing, trying to catch up, because they're eating a big chunk of their pie and Temu is supposedly number ranked number two now as second marketplace.

Bradley Sutton:

Howard, I hope to see you. Maybe in China. I should be going to China sometime this year, I'm positive. Maybe I might be in Shanghai, but I have to take a trip down to Zhenzhen and we can go to Macau again or some other place. But it was great talking to you again and I hope to see you either here stateside or in China real soon.

Howard:

You do.

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Kevin King:

You know, a lot of times people don't in the space, don't like to share their products. They're afraid people are going to copy them. I'm afraid like, oh, if I share this, this cool thing I found, I'm going to have a hundred different copiers on it. And that does happen. You know, Bradley’s had that with the coffin shelf, you know, here at series, and now there's I don't know how many coffin shelves that are A lot, a lot. Yeah, so it does happen. But I'm going to show you some ways to make that almost impossible today. I mean not to say that someone can't mimic you, because sometimes when people copy, that's a nice way of flattery. But there's a lot of things that you can do to differentiate your product and it's becoming super important. You know the days of when I first started. I know you've been doing this for a while 2015, 2016. You just go to Alibaba. You'd find a product look at Helium 10, see where the gaps are and just stick a different name on there and maybe create a logo, put it on there and put that up and sell it. Those days are long gone. I mean, can that still happen? Occasionally, someone can have success doing that, but it's extremely, extremely difficult. And branding true branding and true product differentiation is where it's at. And some people think, well, I'll just add a warranty or I'll add an eBook to my product or I'll bundle it with something else and that'll make it different enough. And that's usually not enough. And in today's world, you got to change your approach and that's what I'm going to show you today with real-life, real-world examples of my actual products. Some of these I'm not selling anymore for different reasons. Pricing got priced out of the market with raw supplies or something like that. But I'm going to show you exactly what I do and to try to give you some insights and some perspective on how you can approach this differently for what you're doing.

Carrie Miller:

Very nice, I'm excited.

Kevin King:

When it comes to business, there's really only two things that matter, and when you cut it to the core, that's innovation and marketing. I mean, yeah, there's all the details of finance and money and all this kind of stuff, but really, if you look at any business look at Apple, you look at Microsoft, you look at Tesla, you look at any of these. It's innovation and marketing. Those are the two fundamental things that you should be focusing on first. So, I'm going to start off with innovation. So the first thing I'm talking about is innovation. This is a product on screen called Basecamp. This is an Apple watch charging dock. It also charges your iPhone, charges your iPad. It has a night light on it. This is a really, really cool product that came out in 2015. It was launched in 2015.

Kevin King:

So almost nine years ago, right when the first Apple Watch came out, and where this product, how this originated. This is a product that I sold and I actually created this product from scratch. This was my actual product and I created it from scratch right when the first Apple Watch came out. And what happened is I went on Amazon to try to find some ideas for products and I saw that Apple Watch charging docks were trending at the time and most all of them were like these cheap bamboo kind of wooden docks for 15 to 20 bucks, all coming off of Alibaba, with just different names on them. Each one looks exactly the same, just had a different name, and I was like, if I'm going to spend 500 bucks for a watch or whatever the watch costs back then. I don't want some cheap, cheap stand to put it on, I want something that looks cool. So I developed this that I would want and I was like I don't want something where there's cables hanging across my desk, cables hanging across my nightstand, so I want to hide all the cables and I want to be able to charge like three things at once. And so that's what I developed, and so this particular product you can see here has a little light on it.

Kevin King:

I later added a Bluetooth speaker to it in a version two. It put the watch up on top, the phone would sit on the side and it had a. The charging was buried inside all the cables. Um, the back actually had two additional USB ports so that you could actually charge an iPad or put something else on the back of it. It had. The cables were all hidden underneath, so you'd wrap the cable around underneath so it's not like just all messing up your, your desktop or your, your nightstand or whatever the night light there you can see it. You can hit that button a few times and adjust it up in different levels. I created a really nice box for it and I had all the different adapters. I was prepared to sell this in the US market, and so I created one charging dock and then had them make the different adapters that go in the end, depending on if it's for the UK or for Europe, or for the US or for Australia the bigger markets. I later added a Bluetooth speaker to it. I changed that nightlight to not just a nightlight but actually a Bluetooth speaker so that you could this is the days before there was beats or any of that kind of stuff so it actually was a cool, cool thing to be able to have your phone sitting there charging and have a little speaker that would play your sound music or your wake-up call or whatever. You can see there are the little nightlights turned on. As an example, these are actually some of my listing photos that you're seeing on this. You can see that it would fit all kinds of different watch bands. I created a really nice box for the outside of it to differentiate it so that when you got it felt like you're paying 80 bucks for this thing.

Kevin King:

This was a little video that I had made. I found the way I got this made is I came up with the idea. I found a factory on Global Sources Comm. So I didn't even use Alibaba. I use a company called global sources comm, which is another alternate sourcing place. It's not as big as Alibaba, but you can find some better factories sometimes on there. So if you haven haven't checked that out, check it out. And I found a factory in Shenzhen, China, that would do this and I ended up paying them a thousand dollars for the design and so they had their internal guys do all the design and then the molding and everything. It was expensive. It cost me about 30 grand to do all the molding because it's electrical parts and USB and there's a chip in there. So this is not for everybody, but I spent about 30 grand on that.

Kevin King:

We've created all kinds of prototypes and they would send me these files, these 3D rendered files and these like SFP files, I think they're called. And then I took that actual file. So before this was ever manufactured, didn't even exist, there wasn't even a prototype yet. I sent it to a guy in Eastern Europe and he made this rendering from me from those files and this is a video. He made this entire video, this. The product did not exist so I could see it exactly as it was gonna be. He made these 360 degrees, basically before there was AI. AI video of the actual product. You can see this one only has one charging dock on a USB on the back.

Kevin King:

I had a second one, but I did this and then I sent this out and did some testing, like what do you guys think of this? And I was able to get the people at one of these big Apple insider blog posts. They're like, when this comes out, let us know, we'll publicize it. So right there I was, like they thought it was cool. So, I had my launch ready to go. Like I said this didn't come from Alibaba, this didn't come from the Iwo market or the Canton fair.

Kevin King:

The idea for this, this came from my head, and so I created this from scratch from my head. I've done that for a dog bowl and for some other products as well, and so I also. At the same time, back in 2015, I launched five different brands at once. Some of them were the traditional find something on Alibaba, change it up a little bit, change the packaging, put your logo on it and then send it out. But this one I actually designed from scratch. I think that's where you need to start thinking more and more about is designing things from scratch, and it's not always about a better mousetrap, it's about what the people want.

Kevin King:

With today's technology and with the AI, you can do so much that I couldn't do nine years ago when this was launched. That you can do now with iterations and these renderings, that you could have 20 different types of this and do all kinds of testing on PickFu. You can do so much more now with this. So this was the renderings that they would send me. So I would open this up, these EASM files, and I could play around with it on my computer and spin it and everything and say, oh, let's modify this or let's change this, or I don't like where this is positioned, put the logo over here. So this before we even made a prototype.

Kevin King:

And then what I did is I did 3D printing. So I had there's a guy in Austin where I live that had like 30 different 3D printers in his garage, literally, and so he had all kinds of different sizes and machines. I just took it. They followed him and he made this. This is a 3d printed uh sample. And then I took this to the Apple store in Austin and I said can, can you open up the drawer of all the watches. Uh, I want to make sure every watch, every band, fits on here and doesn't touch the light, and we'll make sure the cable fits through the, the fits through the, the channel on the back and everything. So, I had a total like piece of crap, basically, but 3d printed, but it's actually at least something that's I can hold and touch and feel, kind of get an idea of how it's going to be. And then we made modifications. So after I tested it with this, then I went through and I made modifications oh, we need to make the cable doesn't quite fit, it's not quite snug enough or it's crimping in the corner. So we went back and I, I, we made some modifications to it and then this was a prototype. So then they do what's a machine prototype? Um, there's a specific name for it, but it's a machine Like it's. They make like 20 of them before they make the mass run, and then I could actually test it and so I took it and that's what we created.

Kevin King:

This is one of the product photos for the actual that I used on Amazon that I had taken. This is one in my guest room and so we just put it on a nightstand and just showed it. They're actually charging three different devices and how it works. It works like magic. And for the listing also, I actually showed. You know, I create cartoons. I found someone on Upwork.com that would do this for 50 bucks and I had them actually said I want a before and after. I could shoot this with photography and it would be expensive. So I just had them make a cartoon and say, look, show the before. Because every product you need to be trying to solve pain points. I mean there's three or four different things you want to focus on when you're developing a product. One of those is solving someone's pain point. So you want to show them what it's like before your product and what it's like after your product. So that's what I did here. Instead of using photos, I used these cartoons.

Kevin King:

So I show on the left how you got all these cables everywhere and stuff all over the place taking up your whole nightstand just a mess. You're having trouble sleeping over there, the person you know. There’re all kinds of little hints all throughout this thing. You got a light that's flashing on it instead of a night light. That's all bright, keeping you up. And then then you got the one on the right. That's like you having a peaceful sleep, everything's organized, everything's nice, and so these are things that you want to think about when you're actually creating your images is show the before and the after. You can do it in photos, you can do it in, or you can do it in cartoons and like this one and this, it worked really, really well. You're going to see another example of this in a minute. So this is the way you can do an example of how you can do innovation.

Kevin King:

This product on 2015, Christmas of 2015, I was selling about $30,000, $40,000 a day of it at $89. And then what happened is the reason. I and I did a second version, I did a version two with feedback and put the Bluetooth speaker in, did some other changes, and then in March or April of the next year this is before there was Gatita, before there's any or Helium 10 that had the refund ability, and someone posted on a Facebook group, on the FBA High Rollers Facebook group on Helium 10, saying, oh, did you know that Amazon will refund you for damages and lost items? And so, I was like, oh, that's cool, they lost some of these things when I shipped them in. So, I filed a claim. And when I filed that claim for like 10 missing units, amazon suspended the listing and said, oh, we're going to do what's called a bend check. And they went and they actually said we're going to stop all sales. And we got to do a total inventory across all of our warehouses and I was like no, no, no, don't do that, don't do that, I don't care about the 10 units, just forget it, forget the claim. You're killing, you're crushing me on my momentum. Well, I was down about 10 days while they did this quote unquote Ben check worst decision I ever made and that basically killed the momentum of the product. But I was able to bring it back up, but never back to that level, because there's all kinds of other competition coming in. Um, and I sold this on uh, uh I forget the name of the website. Now it's kind of like a sharper image uh, website for dudes. I sold this in the best buy. I sold it a lot of places, but then the market started changing and I was able to ride this for a couple of years and it was good. So that's a way that you can think about doing innovation. That's an example of one that I did.

Kevin King:

Now let's talk about something on the marketing side. On the marketing side, you can differentiate with your packaging. A lot of people do that, you know. You could have just a generic bottle that you see on the right or a really nice bottle on the left and put your differentiating bullet points in your image how they're showing one's made from bamboo and no plastic or biodegrade super-fast. The other one's going to take hundreds of years, and so on. These are great ways you can do it in your, in your image, in your image stack, to actually show the difference. Because it remembers, on Amazon, people, people buy, buy photos. They don't buy products. My buddy, Perry Belcher, is actually the one that actually said that. But they can't touch the product, they can't hold it in their hands, so they're buying based on the photos. So you got to remember that so many people skimp on their photos or they don't spend enough time creating the right photos to create the right emotions. People buy on emotion and they buy on photos, and so by differentiating like this, you can do a lot of cool stuff in your infographics and your stack.

Kevin King:

Look at another one. I mean this is someone selling a commodity Liquid Death is water, it's just water. But look what they did with the branding and the way they actually packaged it. They put it into a can instead of a bottle. They had this liquid death name. All the graphics it's just most of the cans are actually oversized. Liquid Death is a great case study if you want to go and look at how someone actually has developed a brand on something that everybody else is selling and actually stand out. Now it's over a billion-dollar company and there's crushing. It's a really, really good case study. At some point I'll go into deep detail on this, but I want to show you one of my products where I did this. I had a brand that was originally called Tailwaggles and I made a mistake on this brand. I filed for trademarks to get brand registry and all that kind of stuff and about three months into the trademark process I get a note from the trademark office saying oh sorry, your name, Tailwaggles, is too close to something else. This is three months after filing and I'd already done the homework, but they found something in the system so I had to change it to Wag Haus. So I had to. Actually, I was already in production on some dog bowls and I actually had to call the factory, said throw away all those old molds and those imprints. We got to change the logo and logo and to change the whole name mid-production. It cost me a lot of money to Wag Haus, but one of the products that I sold under this this is the Wag Haus logo. Here it wore bully sticks.

Kevin King:

If you're not familiar with what bully sticks are, they're still popular today. It's a dog treat. It's made out of the penis of a cow, so they use every part of a cow to maximize the value when they when they butcher it for meat and they take the penis and they actually make bully sticks for dogs. It's a very popular dog treat. So, there's six inch versions, there's 12 inch versions. Those are two typical sizes, and it in 2016, 2017. I was doing some research of what's selling on Amazon. I saw that these things are just crushing it. I already had a dog bowl out, so I was looking for another type of product to accentuate my slow feed dog. Well, and bully sticks came up and back then there’s Helium 10 didn't have what was just getting going, so they didn't have Magnets and they didn't have Cerebro and all that stuff. So, I had to use this old program called amazing product validator. And so, I punched in bully sticks and look there, I was like boom, big green result thing saying that's a really good keyword, excellent BSR. You know, look at that search 359,000 search volume. I was like, all right, I'm going to do bully sticks.

Kevin King:

So I started researching bully sticks and I looked at these. This is another tool back then where it was popular, called merchant words, and these are results from Merchant Words. They showed these search volumes actually are probably not right but it's the best we had back then. We didn't have much more accurate stuff like Helium 10. So it showed 7 million. I was like, all right, all the different keywords are based off of that free range and those are beef bully sticks and bully sticks for dogs and all had some decent search volumes. So I like, all right, I'm going to go into bully sticks as my next product on this brand. So I pulled up and did a search and I see that, um, there's all these different brands that are selling bully sticks and a lot of them, this are selling for around 20 to 30 bucks and it's a pretty much a package like a plastic bag full of 20 30 bully sticks, all for around 30 bucks, so somewhere around a dollar and a half a stick is basically the cost to the consumer for these. And I was like, okay, that looks good. So I started calling some factories and I was like I need to differentiate. I don't want to be just another guy selling 30 bully sticks for 30 bucks. What can you do? What can you make special?

Kevin King:

And I started reading all the reviews on all the products and the reviews were coming back with like, oh, these bully sticks stink because you can just imagine it's the part of the cow that you know that area stinks sometimes and so people the it. My house has an odor to it. After my dog chews it or some liquid drips out onto my couch, my dog jumps up on the couch. It's just. And then people were worried about where are these bully sticks from. Is it US cows or is it some? There's a big scare of like Chinese beef back there. Are they Chinese cows? Are they from Brazil? Where are they from? And so, I was like I need to differentiate this product and I don't want to just put it in a plastic bag either. I want to put it in something really cool, and so the way I differentiated the product is I found this through tracking down. I wanted to make sure it was US made US beef, not imported, and I wanted to set it apart. And so, I found this guy who was a classically trained French chef, like worked in Michelin star restaurants and he was up in the New England area and I got in touch with him and said you make bully sticks. He's like oh yeah, I don't, but I don't do them on machines, I hand carve them, we smoke them in a certain way. We have a 15-step organic process that we do. I'm like this sounds perfect. This is like I can differentiate this from all these little cheap bully sticks.

Kevin King:

I was like, well, they cost. He said you're not going to like this part, they're very expensive. So, I ended up having to sell three bully sticks, three 12-inch ones for $54 and 95 cents, so 55 bucks for three bully sticks. Now remember everybody else on Amazon selling 30 for 30 bucks roughly. So, I'm like way crazy overpriced. I was like I don't know if this is going to work. You know everybody, everybody always says on Amazon it's all about the price, all about the value. And I'm like I don't know if this is going to work. But I'm like you know what? I think there's people on Amazon that don't care about the price. If you know the avatar of your customer, you know that there's a lot of pet owners that a pet is just a farm animal. You know they keep the dog out in the backyard and it's just a farm animal. But for other people a pet is part of their family, it's their best friend, it's their compadre. I just saw a story my dad just forwarded me a couple days ago about how people take care of their pet's health better than they take care of their own health. And it's true and I was like I can market to that. There's people that have dogs that are willing to spend really good money for their dogs to give them the best. So this is classically trained French chef. That's a good story. It's organic. I'm solving all the problems of the juice because the way he cooks these and he does the smoking and stuff. They don't have all that extra liquid in them, they don't stink. They're organic. It's from the US, I can solve all the review pain points, and this is before all the AI tools existed to analyze reviews.

Kevin King:

I was having to read reviews, so I was looking at how can I package these different, and so these were some of the packaging ideas I came with. But what I ended up doing is putting them in a cigar box. So I had a custom cigar box. I found a company in Brooklyn, New York, that's close to this guy, so I didn't have to pay shipping across the US or across the world. They'd make these boxes for me. I'd put a sticker on the outside with, like a cool textured label on the outside of it, and then we put them in the cigar boxes. So this is the six inch version. So there's five, six inches and those sold for 40, uh, 44, 95, I think it was. And the 12-inch version was only three sticks and sold for 54, 95. But I packaged it. So when you got it, you felt confirmed. You're like, if you just spent 44 bucks for five of these bully sticks, you're like, did I just get ripped off? But when it comes in the, in the, in the Amazon box, and you open it up, you're like, oh, this is a cool box. It's got a cool texture to it. It's all about the sensation when you feel the box. There's like a little edge on it, like a texture. The label had like a texture on it, so like, oh, this is kind of nice. So it helps justify in the mind that I'm getting value here. These are premium.

Kevin King:

I created the listing. This is actually the bullet points and the title for the listing. All the keywords are in there and what I focused on is I couldn't compete on the word bully sticks, because the word bully sticks, as you saw earlier, was super popular and almost everything on that page is cheap, and so I could do a launch. Back then you could do all these coupons and all these giveaways and rank to the top within a day or two. It's crazy stuff you could do back in the day and I would get there. But then as soon as I stopped doing these promotions, I would fall off to page two, page three. But on long tail keywords like bully sticks made in USA or bully sticks no odor or premium bully sticks, those I could stay on page one for and there was enough keyword depth on all those where I could stay ranked for those and it worked because there's enough niche, enough variation in the keywords where it actually worked.

Kevin King:

And so, then I created pictures. I went to a dog place, a dog kennel, where my dog would stay, sometimes like hey, can you get permission from some of the owners, I want to come in here and do a photo shoot with dogs? So we did a little cute little dog with a chef hat on, did another dog holding it. So actual, real pictures, not my iPhone, because a lot of other bully stick people were taking their iPhone, just taking a picture of a dog sitting on the ground or something. Just horrible pictures. So I create all these kind of cute pictures. Remember, selling is about emotion and so this creates emotion of oh look, how cute he is. And then I did a whole series of image stacks to show the difference. Because if you see something on Amazon for 50 bucks, you're like and it's three sticks, and you're like this guy's out of his freaking mind, $50, $55 for three sticks. I can just go buy 30 for 30. So I had to show the difference. Remember what I said people buy photos on Amazon, they don't buy products. And so, I showed them in the box to show that these are big. You know these aren't little skinny little things, they're like big honking sticks. I listed all the reasons people wouldn't buy, all the objections basically, and all the things that were important in all my research. You know these are kosher. You know you don't think about that, for a dog, I mean, but some people. That's important to them. So everything that was important I put on here. These are kosher sticks.

Kevin King:

I showed the comparison look, ours are full. The other guys they stretch theirs. That's how they can sell 30 for 30 bucks because they're stretched and they're hollow. I showed look, ours are wide, the other guys are skinny. I showed look, ours has no odor, it's glossy and smooth, but the other ones stink. I showed look, ours are with a knife and there's something sitting on the table there. They're hand cut. The other ones are on some nasty ass machine that's never cleaned. So I showed all the reasons why you don't want these cheap ones and why you want mine. And then I showed a comparison of ours versus others just to keep.

Kevin King:

I kept driving at home Like you're going through this image stack. You're like, all right, all right, all right, I get it, I get it. I showed them on a scale, like look, this is what they weigh. Don't just trust my, trust me. I mean, yeah, you could Photoshop this, but don't. I showed them. It validates it. So I showed everything. At the top here's some dogs driving through like a fast-food place and they're just getting some cheap, cheap, you know happy meal type of cheap hamburgers or something. And then I show in the bottom if you want Wag Haus sticks, you'd like go into a nice steakhouse where there's a maître d' with a bow tie on a serving these on a platter and just connotates that image and creates that emotion, creates that feel and helps justify why you should give these a try. And then I did another cartoon. I tested different cartoons, so I had another one go from fast food to Wag Haus Premium similar concept. Now it's still in a car, they're inside the restaurant and you look at the sign there. If you look at it, there's all kinds of details. If people blow this up, I know you can't see it very good here on the screen, but on Amazon if they blow it up, they would see. You know other, all these kinds of like making fun of the other sticks all in the menu and stuff. It works.

Kevin King:

And then I created, you know a put back. Then I was called EBC but now it's called a plus content. So I created a plus content and I used pretty people. You want to use pretty people. You want to use faces whenever you can, even though you have the dog use and faces. There's science that shows that's a 35% lift in conversion rate when you use faces. A lot of people don't use faces in their photos. They just show the hands or they show the dog. But you need to have people and showing that they're having fun, their dogs happy. You're creating that emotion. I went out. This is before. It was popular to find influencers, influencer. The whole influencer UGC game was just getting going at this time. But this guy I found him on I think it's called Fame Kit. I forget the name of the website. I don't even know if it still exists, but you could go and you could hire people to create UGC.

Kevin King:

I'm just going to play you a little bit of this video. I did not script this. I sent this to the guy. I sent him my bullet points to say, hey, this is kind of what I'm looking for. Can you do something? But I'm just going to play the first part of this because it's pretty cool what he did and you're going to see where he actually sniffs these things. He actually pulls them up to his nose yeah, they're right there. He actually pulls them up to his nose and does a demonstration of showing, look, there's really no smell, and I mean it just creates that trust and that yes, it's true. And then he's got playing with his dogs and he just did a really good job. Then I take a look at my reviews. Now these are some of the real reviews that were coming on the products. You know I was getting some fives and fours highly recommended. I would get the occasional one-star review. Someone like this is the biggest rip-off ever Three sticks for 50 bucks. You've got to be freaking, kidding me. But look, I got constant reviews. I had a 4.6, I think, average overall and it just worked really well. And I had one guy I subscribe and save. It had just begun back then, so I was on subscribe and save. One guy I think he did 86 or 87 times on subscribe and save Just kept buying them over and over like every, every. Every time that he would get renewed, he'd buy them. And he'd buy them in between too because he needed more. It just this work.

Kevin King:

This is how you differentiate a product, uh, and how you approach a market where it's saturated differently and don't always think it's always about the price. As long as there's long tail keywords, you can do some amazing stuff. There's just a few more the lifestyle pictures the on the right there's my actual dog, Zoe, when she was a little much younger, and what happened is the guys that owned the best bully sticks, which is the biggest brand on Amazon. They saw what I was doing and they're like how's this guy, this guy in Texas, selling $50 for three sticks? We need to reach out to him. So they reached out to me and they said hey, why don't we partner up? Why don't you actually sell some of our stuff? You can basically private label some of our other treats. We've got duck feet and we've got, uh, pig's ears and we've got all these, uh, you know, antlers and all this other kind of stuff. Why don't we, why don't we partner up and you just, you just use your brand and private label from us. We manufacture here in the States, we'll ship it to you. So I tried it and it didn't work. I actually I need to package it differently. So, instead of putting in a plastic bag. I had these custom bags made and we tried this. It just didn't work. But my other bully sticks because of differentiation, the way I marketed it, the opportunities there and appealing to the rabid pet owner wanting to take care of their best friend, their member of their family it worked. This is an example on pets.

Kevin King:

Now, if you want to get some ideas, if you're trying to ideate this oh, Kevin, this sounds good, but how do I do this? This is a really good link here that you can go to actually get an idea on how to position. This is a positioning, marketing positioning. I'm positioning the product against everybody else and this five-step process it's free at aprildunford.com that link there. Take a screenshot of this or maybe someone can post it in the chat. And this is a good five-step process to help you brainstorm through and to know how can you truly differentiate your product. So, I recommend you at least take a gander at that or have someone on your team take a gander at that. So, when you're trying to come up with your next product or differentiate what you've currently got, maybe something's kind of on the down and outs right now, but if you just re-engineer that product and come up from a different positioning point of view. You can do really well. So that's a resource for you there. That should be really good.

Kevin King:

Now let's take a look at another thing on differentiation how do you turn a commodity into a brand, a commodity? You got Temu coming in that's selling all these cheap things on Amazon. You got Amazon now going to start allowing factories to ship directly from China under this Amazon whatever. It's called Amazon Direct there's a name for it but where they're going to basically have their own version of Temu on Amazon. That is going to kill some people. You're going to see some people go out of business on Amazon because of this, because they're not differentiating. They're just another me too product. There's no differentiation other than maybe the price, and it's who can sell the cheapest price is going to win, and if you're competing on price, you you're playing a losing game. You're going to lose against these Chinese factories. They're going direct because they're going to sell it on Amazon for less than you're buying it from them for. Let me repeat that when Amazon launches this section, which is basically a Temu type of section, your factory will sell it for less on Amazon direct to the consumer for less than what the price they're willing to give you to buy it from them. That's going to happen.

Kevin King:

So if you don't differentiate your products or you're not thinking in terms of some of these examples I've given you, you're going to be. You may be in some high water and maybe going out of business, or if you're just starting, you may not have a chance to actually succeed. You've got to approach this game differently now. It's more complicated, it's harder, it's a real business. It takes thought, it takes effort. In some cases, it takes money, but this is how you can do it with a commodity product. This is a periodic table. It's a really good thing take a screenshot of this that when you're creating a brand, it's a periodic table of branding. You always remember most of us from school, you had to learn the periodic table of elements. This is a periodic table of branding and this is some of the things that all go into creating a brand.

Kevin King:

A brand is not just a logo. A lot of people think, well, I've got my brand on Amazon. You don't have a brand, dude, you have no brand. This is no brand. This is a logo and a name. A logo and a name does not make a brand. A brand connotates a feeling. It connotates a message. It connotates an identity, an affinity for people. There's a lot more to it, and these are some of the things. Does the type of type style you use matter? Yes, that's part of it. Does the logo matter? Yes, that's part of it, but every brand has a voice, every brand. The name is important yes, but that's not a brand. You've got to go way, way beyond that, and this shows you some of the elements in a really nice, concise way that you need to focus on when you're truly building your brand, and I'm going to show you an example of this right now on how to do this with a commodity product, with one of mine.

Kevin King:

We all remember the pandemic of 2020 and hand sanitizer was going nuts on Amazon. It was booming worldwide. Everybody's freaking out need to buy hand sanitizer. Around April of 2020, this was the SQP report, the Search Query Performance report on Amazon. It had just come out as a brand-new kind of thing on Amazon and hand sanitizer was number six, and some partners of mine and one of my other Amazon companies saw this and they're like we should do hand sanitizer and I'm like no dude, everybody and their brother's going to be doing hand sanitizer. This is going to be like hoverboards, going to be like fidget spinners. Everybody's going to be doing it. And they're like, no, we can do it. We got this, this company in India that can make this stuff for us. Yeah, I started doing homework on it. I'm like, well, okay, maybe there's something to it, but let me look into it. So I looked into it and I used some other tools. This is not Helium 10, it's a different tool. It's a private mastermind tool that shows showed me last week's sales volume and on the hand sanitizer it showed this was in April. It showed 129,000 units on Amazon on the word hand sanitizer alone just that single keyword. And then other ones. I was like all right. And then there's all these.

Kevin King:

The Polaris, this big market research company, came out and said this hand sanitizer thing, even if the COVID goes away, people are going to change their habits. And yeah, you're going to have a huge bump because everybody's now using hand sanitizer but a lot of places are going to install hand sanitizer machines. It's going to become more pervasive in society. And I was like, yeah, okay, so if this has a big boom, boom up, it's going to go down when COVID goes away, but it's going to probably be higher than what it was before COVID started, just because people have changed their habits or they're more aware of it. That's basically what this Polaris study said. So, I'm like, all right, let's look, let's look school.

Kevin King:

Then there's a story came out of this this kid that was in, uh, in in the middle of the United States I think he's in Tennessee or Kentucky or somewhere and he was going to all the dollar stores, uh, and buying out their hand sanitizer and then arbitraging it on Amazon for those crazy amounts. He ended up getting sued by the, by the uh, the state, uh, for price gouging and stuff. But I'm like, all right, and he's just crushing it. And so, you're all this stuff coming out. And then I look on Amazon and this is what was selling, because hand sensors, all the Perel and Germ Sharks, Germ X the two big brands in the US were hard to get.

Kevin King:

And then what Amazon did is they created something called the COVID store and they gated, basically Perel. They said all the first responders, all the hospitals need to have access to this, not you people at home. We need to save this for the people that really need it, that are dying in the hospitals. So in order to buy the big hand sanitizers, you had to go into the COVID store and get authorized, and so it took a lot of the competition away on Amazon. I saw that and I started seeing all these like weird hand sanitizer people are making almost like felt like in their backyard coming up on Amazon. Some of it was long shipping times is coming from China and you'd order it and take a month to get to you and it's just garbage. And you look at, look at the reviews on they’re just bad and they're selling for like crazy amounts it's $11.59 for these little bottles.

Kevin King:

And so I was like, alright, guys, let's do this. We're not gonna use this company in India. We're gonna get proper FDA approval, we're gonna. There were some rules where you could at the time, where you could actually make this without going through all the steps of FDA if you did certain things. We figured out all that's figured out, all the legal side. We came out with a brand name of germ shark. We came out with and this logo. So this is where the name Germ Shark and we started this company. It was me and four other guys. I was handling them Amazon side of things and all the branding and all the marketing. And there's other guys handling all the sourcing and dealing with the factories and all that. And then the other three guys were the money guys and these guys put in about a million and a half bucks, before it was all said and done, of their own money.

Kevin King:

Luckily, crypto was doing really well at the time. One of these guys was just making bank selling NFTs and on crypto, so he had a lot of extra cash just sitting around doing nothing. So he threw a bunch of that in and we started this brand, Germ Shark, and I was like, okay, if we're going to sell hand sanitizer in this super competitive commodity, hand sanitizer is like one to three ingredients, it's nothing. Anybody can do it. How do you differentiate a product that everything is basically the same? Yeah, you can put a smell in there or you can do a few things, but it's basically the same thing. How do you differentiate it? So, we came up with some bottles. We said we're gonna do a three pack of these small bottles and I tested it on Pick Fu and so I took R3, the ones that says winter there with the green box around it. Those were R3.

Kevin King:

And I tested against these no-name brands, like these Chinese no-name brands, and we won, hands down won. Everybody said we would buy this one. This one looks legit, the others are sketchy. And then I tested against the top brands, like Perel, which is a number one brand in the US, and I got my butt kicked. Perel beat me because that's a bigger brand, people trust it more. So I was like okay, as long as Perel is not on the main Amazon site and they're locked away in this COVID store where nobody can get in there, I can crush it, I can be number one on Amazon until Perel comes back. And when Perel comes back onto the normal Amazon website, I'll be okay in spot number two or spot number three, because I've positioned myself, I've gotten my rankings, I've gotten my reviews. There's still enough depth in the market share that even if I'm spot two or three or four, I'll still make some good money. So we're like all right, let's go forward with this.

Kevin King:

So then we create a whole line of products. We ended up going. We saw that there's wipes. We're having trouble. We had the big bottles to refill, like the canisters at, like the restaurants and malls and airports and stuff. We create little toys we actually created with our brand. We created like a little stuffed toy you see the little stuffed shark there. We create little holders. That little kind of turquoise looking thing in the middle is a holder for the clip onto your purse or onto your backpack or something for the small bottles, and then, oh, there's a better picture of it, these little guys here.

Kevin King:

We created this kind of stuff, and why did we create this? Not to sell it, but for branding and for promotional purposes. So what we did with it is we went out and we did a campaign to hospitals, and so we reached out to hospitals and we said, hey, we'd love to send you a free gift. Thanks for your service, thanks for everything you're doing. We'd love to send you a free gift. So we made this little brochure here thanking them for everything. And then we sent a package of like 25 in a nice like four-color box, like a gift box. We put some of that little like shredded paper in there that makes it all look kind of fancy. Put them all in there and then we included, like you know, there's some kids and stuff in the hospital. So here's some stuffed toys. You know along the branding. And then what did they do? These are the actual ones getting it. You can see the box there and they started posting it all over social media and we started actually getting sales and this legitimized us. It showed like, look, this is legitimate, doctors are using this and they're showing this stuff off.

Kevin King:

We create our A-plus content page and actually did some really good stuff with A-plus and we showed how, for every bottle, every package you buy, we donate a bottle. So we had a cause with it, too is we donated a bottle to charities. We created memes and graphics for social media that would actually show play off of different things. During that time, we ran huge campaigns on this. We did actual physical postcards in the mail. A lot of people was like, oh, the mail is dead, nobody checks the mail, bs. We did these physical postcards through the mail and sent them to hospitals, sent them to people that previously bought sanitizers. We got some lists. We got editorial recommendations because of our branding. People love the branding and the mission that we're giving a bottle for every three sold. And then we did stuff like jingles. We actually created a jingle for the brand because, remember I said, selling is emotional and this is a really good study here. You should take a look at this sometimes.

But sound is the most important thing to our brain, not visuals. So you can be watching a YouTube video and if the YouTube video is grainy or jumping around a little bit, then you might accept it, but as long as the sound quality is good. If the sound quality is good, you can deal with lesser quality video, but if the sound quality is bad, you're going to skip this. You're going to move on to something else and it's an area of your brain called Broca's area, and it's an interesting science. If you take a look at this from a branding point of view, if you can reach Broca's area, you can do things, really amazing things. Think of old jingles like the Oscar Mayer Wiener jingle, if you're old enough to remember that, or some of the old jingles that you see on TV now you know the State Farm jingles or some of the other ones that are out there. That's all branding and marketing and it's creating these visual images. There's a really. There's a lot more to this.

Kevin King:

We could go and do a whole presentation just on this, but so we dialed in on Broca’s area and to use influence, and so what we did is we created a jingle and then we created a video. I had, uh, one of the amazon companies that does these nice videos. I had a couple of them actually do it. I actually had a contest with pick food to be to be on water. I had four different companies doing and competing and we create these jingles and just this is not the best singing, so don't worry about the singing, but the music in the song. It will stick in your head. I'm here to help you, uh, keep your germs away. I'll bring the bottle to you. I've got the germ charge for you. Rub it, rub it, rub it, rub it. Germ charge protection. Peel your hand, catch the germs away. Brother, strength, the best protection, no matter where you are. It can't be too far.

Kevin King:

Anyway, this was a really cool jingle that had all these lyrics to it and I sent this to Bradley here at Helium 10, and he watched it and he was like damn, dude, I can't get that out of my head now. I was like that's the point. So the next time that you want to get hand sanitizer, that comes to your mind. And it worked really well. So we had a couple of them. We also went out man on the street, we had these costumes and we would go down to a park and walk around, give them out and we'd go mess with people and we'd create all this stuff. We went to a grocery store and grabbed grocery carts and had like 10 of these sharks walking into this grocery store and freaking people out and just, we did all this kind of marketing to help differentiate and it didn't sell a lot locally but it helps us create the content that we could put out there worldwide. And it really worked really well.

Kevin King:

These were our sales on seven, you know, $40,000 on one single skew on that day. And you can see, we just started crushing it and we started standing out, and this is how you take a commodity and you truly make it into a real brand. These were some sales, the first we started selling in July of 2020. We went live so this is basically the first month. Sales was a million bucks on a brand-new product, and so this stuff works, but you got to come at it from a different point of view. So, what I'm trying to do today is just show you a different way of thinking of this. Can you do everything I did? Maybe, maybe not, but you can start thinking in this direction and start moving in that direction, and that's what we have for you today. Thanks everybody for joining us.