Very rarely do you find a company so transparent, so vocal about social and environmental injustice and so good at growing a healthy business, as Dr Bronner's. A family run business from way back, it's one of my favourites for many reasons. I wanted to bring on their VP Gero Leson a phd in environmental science, who works to set up incredible partnerships with communities in developing countries to set up their supply chain. Rarely do you get to look under the hood of a procurement and production cycle like this. It will also highlight that nothing is black and white and yes - shock horror - there can be such a thing as sustainable, ethical palm oil. This is for the nerds who just love digging into how business can be a HUGE part of the change towards a better world. Gero doesn't hold back. SUCH a good chat. I hope you love it and think even more fondly of your humble castile soap the next time you pick it up. As usual, our show notes, new PATREON supporter page and sponsor offer are available over at lowtoxlife.com/podcast 

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