“That terrible thing that happened to me is a major reason why we’re so successful,” says Steve Madden. The founder of the renowned shoe brand joins Will Cole and Seamus Mullen to talk about the big and unlikely factors that can lead to success. Madden shares lessons from his childhood, from experiencing addiction, from becoming his own boss, and from being in prison. They talk about growing up in an environment where certain feelings weren’t expressed and others were overexpressed—and about learning to process them all. They talk about workaholism, parenthood, and the surprising things that can happen when you let go.

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