In this episode of Office Hours, I sit down with my friend Hoda Kotb and talk about how we meet change when it shows up uninvited. Hoda has lived through transitions that resist simple narratives. Early rejection in her career. Public reinvention. Serious illness. Grief. Becoming a parent later in life. Each chapter forced a decision about how to move forward when there were no clear answers.

Hoda is known to millions as the longtime co-anchor of NBC’s Today Show and as the host of Making Space. In our conversation, those titles matter less than the life behind them. What connects us to Hoda’s story is not her achievements, but the ordinary human moments that shaped her values and continue to guide her choices. I hope this conversation leaves you not only inspired by Hoda’s life but also more willing to meet your own with honesty, courage, and care.

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• Podcast: https://www.today.com/podcasts/making-space

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Intro

(03:22) Introducing Hoda Kotb

(06:03) Hoda’s origin story as a first-generation American

(07:27) The inspiration Hoda gets from her mother 

(08:48) Hoda’s mother’s journey with grief and what it teaches her

(11:23) Lesson #1: Reframe tragedy as opportunity

(16:25) Lesson #2: Turn constraints into decisions

(27:25) Lesson #3: Persistence creates destiny

(31:44) Lesson #4: Keep learning

(32:40) Hoda’s breast cancer journey

(37:55) Lesson #5: Your suffering is your strength

(40:39) How Hoda became a parent at 52

(46:42) Lesson #6: Choose love

(52:20) Lesson #7: Choose a new tree

(58:50) Lesson #8: You’re in charge

(59:05) A quick recap of the eight lessons

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Referenced:

• Jump and Find Joy: Embracing Change in Every Season of Life: https://www.amazon.com/Jump-Find-Joy-Embracing-Change/dp/B0DZ5BVKH8 

• Joy 101: https://www.joy101.com 

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