In this thought-provoking episode, Rachel welcomes Javier Leiva, a true crime podcaster and storyteller, to explore the intricate world of con artists and cult leaders. With his extensive background in journalism, Javier shares his insights into the psychology of deception and manipulation, drawing from his experiences with notorious fraudsters and his personal encounters with cults as documented in his podcast "Pretend"

Javier delves into the motivations behind con artists' actions, revealing how their charm and charisma can easily ensnare unsuspecting victims. He discusses the blurred lines between cults and con artists, emphasizing the similarities in their tactics of control and manipulation. Through captivating anecdotes, he illustrates how individuals can become entangled in these webs of deceit, often questioning their own reality and self-worth.

Find more about Javier and his podcast "Pretend" here:

https://linktr.ee/pretendpod

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