The Dave Gerhardt Show (from Exit Five)

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May 08, 2025High-Pressure CMO Roles, Avoiding Burnout, and Growing your Personal Brand with Amanda Goetz
#244: Professional Growth | Dave is joined by Amanda Goetz, a 2x founder, 3x CMO, and the author behind the popular weekly newsletter, Life's A Game. Amanda shares her expertise in personal and professional growth, brand building, and content creation.

Amanda and Dave cover:
How Amanda transformed her LinkedIn strategy to grow her following and engagement
The impact of personal branding on social media and its role in business growth
Creating a feedback loop to refine and improve content strategy
Timestamps
(00:00) - - Intro
(07:10) - - How to Use LinkedIn Video
(10:38) - - Shifting from Twitter to LinkedIn
(14:24) - - Developing a Clearer Target Market and Products
(15:07) - - Building Sustainable Momentum Amid Burnout: A CMO's Perspective
(19:28) - - Why Your Content Strategy Must Be Focused
(24:58) - - The Brand Pyramid
(25:53) - - The Emotion Behind Branding
(29:23) - - People Are What Matter In Branding Success
(35:01) - - The Growing Creator Economy vs. Traditional Corporations
(36:19) - - Creating Emotional Brand Connections for Growth Marketing
(40:51) - - How Amanda Became a Fractional CMO
(43:25) - - Why Amanda Looks to Alex Lieberman for Inspiration
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Walker Sands - An integrated B2B marketing and growth services agency that helps marketing leaders turn strategy into measurable business impact through their Outcome-based Marketing model. Learn more at walkersands.com/exitfive.

Knak - A no-code, campaign creation platform that lets you go from idea to on-brand email and landing pages in minutes, using AI where it actually matters. Learn more at knak.com/exitfive, or check out the MCP server by clicking this link.

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42min
May 05, 2025B2B LinkedIn Ads Playbook: What Works (and What Doesn’t) in 2025
#243 Linkedin Ads | In this episode, Danielle Messler sits down with Anthony Blatner (LinkedIn ads expert and certified instructor) and Tagg Bozied (Head of Brand Awareness at Docebo and award-winning B2B campaign strategist) to dig into what actually works with B2B LinkedIn ads in 2025. These two have spent years in the trenches, building campaigns for some of the most niche, high-intent B2B audiences, and they’ve got the data and real stories to back up what works (and what definitely doesn’t).

Danielle, Anthony, and Tagg cover:
The biggest mistakes B2B marketers make on LinkedIn and how to fix them fast
Why “thought leader ads” are crushing right now and how to set them up the right way (even if you’re not Dave Gerhardt)
How to measure success in brand awareness campaigns (including smart ways to use dwell time, frequency, and Google Analytics)
Timestamps
(00:00) - – Intro from Dave
(00:48) - – Why This Isn’t Just a “Webinar”
(02:16) - – Meet the Experts: Tagg Bozied and Anthony Blatner
(04:27) - – Biggest Mistakes in LinkedIn Ads
(06:58) - – How to Make LinkedIn Ads Stand Out
(09:10) - – What to Know About Thought Leader Ads
(13:31) - – What Does Success Look Like? Metrics That Matter
(16:28) - – What’s a CTV Ad and Should You Try It?
(19:32) - – Budgeting Tips for Niche Audiences
(24:35) - – LinkedIn Lead Forms vs. Landing Pages
(30:33) - – Proving ROI on Brand Awareness Campaigns
(36:34) - – Reporting Tools and Stack Recommendations
(39:16) - – Targeting Secrets and Retargeting Best Practices
(42:38) - – How to Think About A/B Testing on LinkedIn
(46:36) - – Wrap-Up + Where to Connect
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Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive.
Walker Sands - An integrated B2B marketing and growth services agency that helps marketing leaders turn strategy into measurable business impact through their Outcome-based Marketing model. Learn more at walkersands.com/exitfive.

Knak - A no-code, campaign creation platform that lets you go from idea to on-brand email and landing pages in minutes, using AI where it actually matters. Learn more at knak.com/exitfive, or check out the MCP server by clicking this link.

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49min
May 01, 2025The Quiet Shift: How B2B Teams are Winning Post-SEO
#242: Content Strategy | In this episode, Danielle sits down with Brendan Hufford, founder of Growth Sprints, to talk about what actually works in content and SEO today and why most B2B strategies are broken. Brendan went from high school teacher to leading content at top SaaS companies, and now helps brands move faster and build content strategies that drive real impact.
They cover:
Why most SEO strategies are broken - and why retainers make it worse
The content checklist that took ActiveCampaign from 200K to 240K visitors in 30 days
Why the most lucrative SEO opportunities are hiding in plain sight
Brendan’s "immortal newsletter" framework that cuts production time in half while doubling engagement
Plus, check out the checklist Brendan mentioned in this episode here!
Timestamps
(00:00) - – Intro to Brendan
(03:45) - – Lessons from teaching that apply directly to marketing
(06:45) - – Why Brendan left education and entered the B2B world
(08:15) - – Early agency and in-house marketing experience
(10:00) - – Building a defensible career: audience, trust, and network
(12:20) - – The Growth Sprints model: why retainers don’t make sense
(13:30) - – Content strategy in bets, not buckets
(14:45) - – Why SEO still works and where it actually drives results
(16:15) - – Getting deep on audience, product, and internal dynamics
(18:30) - – What marketers get wrong about internal buy-in
(20:30) - – Real example: what a content sprint looks like in practice
(22:00) - – The power of internal linking and content refreshes
(24:00) - – How Google views internal linking and user signals
(27:00) - – Why technical SEO is often overrated
(30:00) - – Brendan’s hot take: most SEOs aren’t marketers
(31:30) - – Why the “SEO takes 6 months” narrative is flawed
(33:30) - – The problem with traditional retainers and content brief models
(35:00) - – The immortal newsletter: how to mix evergreen + ephemeral content
(38:00) - – Naming the problem, not just the category
(39:30) - – Content should do 3–5 jobs at once: how to prioritize impact
(42:00) - – The real value of competitor and alternatives pages
(44:30) - – How to make content more useful for sales and buyer enablement
(46:00) - – Brendan’s final mindset shift: create content that earns its keep
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Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive.
Walker Sands - An integrated B2B marketing and growth services agency that helps marketing leaders turn strategy into measurable business impact through their Outcome-based Marketing model. Learn more at walkersands.com/exitfive.

Knak - A no-code, campaign creation platform that lets you go from idea to on-brand email and landing pages in minutes, using AI where it actually matters. Learn more at knak.com/exitfive, or check out the MCP server by clicking this link.

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50min
April 28, 2025Email Marketing Breakdown: How to Cut Through the Noise in 2025
#241: Email Strategy | Email isn’t dead – it’s just changing fast.
It’s still one of the few B2B marketing channels where you can actually own your audience and reach your ideal customers with the push of a button.
In this session from the Ultimate Roast of B2B Emails, Danielle hosts Beth O’Malley (Founder, astral.), Jay Schwedelson (Founder, Subjectline.com & GURU Media Hub), and Jaina Mistry (Director, Brand and Content Marketing at Litmus) for a tactical session on what’s actually working in email marketing in 2025.
They cover:
What an effective email marketing strategy looks like today
Key elements of great emails
How to write irresistible subject lines
All the ins and outs of deliverability and landing in the inbox
Plus, they tackle a live Q&A, hot takes on open rates, resends, clickbait, personalization, and how to fix your email marketing strategy.
Timestamps
(00:00) - – Intro to Beth, Jay, and Jaina
(03:14) - – Why bad emails are killing results
(05:46) - – How to think about email beyond lead gen
(07:58) - – The real problem with how B2B measures email success
(09:14) - – Open rates: Are they dead or still useful?
(13:38) - – Should you resend to non-openers? The great debate
(18:34) - – Deliverability basics: What B2B marketers miss
(21:52) - – Personalization: What actually works (and what doesn’t)
(26:53) - – Why exclusion (not just segmentation) matters in email
(29:08) - – AI summaries and how they’re reshaping the inbox
(31:53) - – Clicks vs engagement: What you should really track
(34:18) - – Why structured clicks matter more than just "more clicks"
(38:03) - – How to think about email length and structure in 2025
(41:14) - – Technical tips: Avoiding clipping, formatting for mobile
(43:12) - – Clickbait subject lines: Where to draw the line
(45:13) - – Final advice for marketers
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Markup AI - A content quality platform that scans your content against brand voice, preferred terms, messaging standards, and AI-search readiness before it goes live, right inside Google Docs. Learn more at markup.ai.
Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive.
Walker Sands - An integrated B2B marketing and growth services agency that helps marketing leaders turn strategy into measurable business impact through their Outcome-based Marketing model. Learn more at walkersands.com/exitfive.

Knak - A no-code, campaign creation platform that lets you go from idea to on-brand email and landing pages in minutes, using AI where it actually matters. Learn more at knak.com/exitfive, or check out the MCP server by clicking this link.

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Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

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50min
April 24, 2025Video in B2B: What Works, What Doesn’t, and Where to Start
#240: Video Strategy | In this episode, Danielle sits down with Connor Lewis, founder of Studio Lewis, to talk all things B2B video - what works, what doesn’t, and how to actually get started. Connor spent years building in-house video from the ground up before going solo. Now, he works with B2B brands on high-performing video ads and he’s here to break down what he’s learned.
Danielle and Connor cover:
Why production value doesn’t matter as much as you think
How to turn existing blog posts and webinars into watchable video
What’s working on LinkedIn video in 2025
How to get started with video without hiring an agency or a full-time team
Simple formats that make video approachable
Timestamps
(00:00) - – Intro to Connor
(03:00) - – Learning video by doing: from intern to strategist
(05:00) - – What’s working in B2B video on LinkedIn in 2025
(06:27) - – Three types of videos that perform best
(07:48) - – Why video ads aren’t the best place to start
(08:41) - – How to turn top blog posts into YouTube videos that rank
(10:34) - – Using video to refresh blog content and boost SEO
(11:14) - – How to use video effectively for virtual and in-person events
(12:08) - – Repurposing Q&A sections from webinars into high-performing short clips
(14:03) - – Creating shorts from top audience questions
(15:16) - – The only parts of video that really matter
(16:03) - – Why “how I” beats “how to” every time
(16:47) - – The “reverse Rambo” hook format and how to use it
(18:46) - – How setting and authenticity improve engagement
(20:15) - – Why stiff, overproduced videos are killing your reach
(22:53) - – How to get started with video if you don’t have a team or budget
(24:59) - – Why marketers need to get comfortable on camera
(25:21) - – Podcasts as a powerful entry point into video
(26:18) - – How to test video with a simple 4-part limited series
(27:54) - – Low-budget options that still convert
(28:22) - – Why product marketers often make the best video collaborators
(29:06) - – Final advice: don’t wait until it’s perfect, just start!
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Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive.
Walker Sands - An integrated B2B marketing and growth services agency that helps marketing leaders turn strategy into measurable business impact through their Outcome-based Marketing model. Learn more at walkersands.com/exitfive.

Knak - A no-code, campaign creation platform that lets you go from idea to on-brand email and landing pages in minutes, using AI where it actually matters. Learn more at knak.com/exitfive, or check out the MCP server by clicking this link.

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32min
April 21, 2025How To Measure Your Marketing Efforts (And Why Click Attribution Is Dead)
#239: Measurement | In this Exit Five live session, Dave sits down with Pranav Piyush, Co-Founder & CEO of Paramark (ex-PayPal, Dropbox, Adobe, BILL), to talk about the future of B2B marketing measurement.
Spoiler alert: it’s not clicks.
They break down why the old way of doing attribution doesn’t cut it anymore and why leading B2B teams are shifting toward incrementality, experimentation, and marketing mix modeling.
Dave and Pranav also cover:
The gaps in the old way of doing attribution
What the best B2B marketing teams are doing now for attribution
The key questions CMOs face from boards and execs about measurement
Three things you can do this quarter to improve your measurement
Timestamps
(00:00) - – Intro to Pranav
(03:00) - – The Purple Cow mindset: why differentiation matters more than ever
(04:40) - – Pranav’s background (PayPal, Dropbox, Adobe, BILL → Paramark)
(05:45) - – “Measurement is Robin. Creative is Batman.”
(07:00) - – Why click/touch attribution is flawed and misleading
(10:30) - – The 95/5 rule: most of your audience isn’t in-market…yet
(13:15) - – How top brands (Asana, DoorDash, P&G) measure beyond attribution
(14:40) - – What is incrementality and why it’s more useful than attribution
(17:00) - – Why revenue isn’t always the right KPI - especially in long sales cycles
(19:00) - – Intro to marketing mix modeling (MMM) and how it works
(21:00) - – Visualizing baseline vs. incremental impact on pipeline
(22:15) - – Geo testing: how to prove a channel’s impact without attribution tools
(24:15) - – The branded search trap: why you should test turning it off
(26:45) - – Even Meta, Google, LinkedIn admit attribution is flawed
(27:30) - – How to measure untrackable stuff (organic, content, social)
(31:00) - – Why “credit” kills performance
(32:50) - – Measurement for startups
(35:45) - – What to do if all you track is closed-won revenue
(37:30) - – Why attribution software is overkill under $100K in spend
(38:45) - – Should you ask “How did you hear about us?”
(41:30) - – How to carve out budget for channel testing
(44:10) - – Don’t skip audience research
(47:30) - – Creativity is still your #1 growth lever (measurement just supports it)
(49:00) - – Wrap-up and final takeaways
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Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive.
Walker Sands - An integrated B2B marketing and growth services agency that helps marketing leaders turn strategy into measurable business impact through their Outcome-based Marketing model. Learn more at walkersands.com/exitfive.

Knak - A no-code, campaign creation platform that lets you go from idea to on-brand email and landing pages in minutes, using AI where it actually matters. Learn more at knak.com/exitfive, or check out the MCP server by clicking this link.

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52min
April 17, 2025How to Stop The Busywork in B2B Marketing (with Dmitry Shamis)
#238: Brand | In this episode, Dave sits down with Dmitry Shamis, former Head of Brand at HubSpot and now founder of Oh Snap, to talk about what brand really means in B2B and why so many teams are stuck doing busy work instead of meaningful marketing. After leading a team of 150+ creatives and scaling HubSpot’s brand across multiple products, Dmitry shares lessons on building brands that actually stand out.
Dave and Dmitry cover:
How to stand out in a crowded market
How to develop and refine your point of view
Why marketers get lost in busy work and how to stop it
What to look for when hiring great designers
The role of AI in B2B marketing today (and what it won’t replace)
Timestamps
(00:00) - – Intro to Dmitry
(04:00) - – What brand actually means in B2B
(06:20) - – Why your POV is the foundation of your brand
(08:30) - – How to uncover a real, differentiated POV
(12:29) - – How to stand out in a crowded, same-sounding market
(15:04) - – Why differentiation requires alignment between product and marketing
(17:54) - – Building trust with product teams
(18:43) - – Busy work in marketing: how to spot it and stop it
(21:25) - – Why marketers burn out and how poor prioritization is killing teams
(24:25) - – Making the case for brand work when it’s hard to measure
(26:00) - – The “fishing” analogy: performance vs brand marketing
(30:31) - – The real opportunity with AI in B2B marketing
(34:30) - – How AI can eliminate bottlenecks and speed up creative execution
(36:00) - – Why Dmitry’s starting a creative agency (Oh Snap) and how it’s different
(39:08) - – How to hire great designers: what to look for beyond the portfolio
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Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive.
Walker Sands - An integrated B2B marketing and growth services agency that helps marketing leaders turn strategy into measurable business impact through their Outcome-based Marketing model. Learn more at walkersands.com/exitfive.

Knak - A no-code, campaign creation platform that lets you go from idea to on-brand email and landing pages in minutes, using AI where it actually matters. Learn more at knak.com/exitfive, or check out the MCP server by clicking this link.

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43min
April 14, 2025B2B Doesn't Have to Be Boring with Udi Ledergor, Chief Evangelist at Gong
#237: Strategy | Udi Ledergor (former CMO, now Chief Evangelist at Gong) helped turn Gong into one of B2B’s most iconic brands—and now he’s sharing how they scaled it to a multi-billion dollar valuation. In this episode, Dave sits down with Udi to unpack lessons from building Gong’s category, brand, and marketing engine (and why B2B marketing needs way more courage).

You’ll learn:
Lessons from building Gong from 0 to $100M in revenue
How to make B2B marketing not boring
How to measure and justify brand investments in marketing
Why you need to be more courageous with your marketing
Udi also shares stories from his new book Courageous Marketing, featuring specific plays and strategies any B2B marketer can steal.
Timestamps
(00:00) - – Intro to Udi
(06:00) - – Early career lessons and building a marketing role from scratch
(09:00) - – How Gong achieved early product-market fit
(13:00) - – The importance of picking the right company and founder
(15:00) - – Why Gong’s focus, clarity, and positioning stood out from day one
(17:10) - – Why Udi wrote Courageous Marketing and what it’s about
(18:00) - – What “courageous marketing” actually means
(21:00) - – Defining brand personality before visual identity
(23:40) - – Campaign breakdown: Times Square billboards, employee spotlights, and perception hacks
(27:00) - – The “punching above your weight” formula for early-stage brands
(30:30) - – How to measure soft ROI and prove brand impact
(34:00) - – Super Bowl ad, Michael Lewis podcast, and tying brand to pipeline
(38:45) - – How to budget for experiments and get CFO/CEO buy-in
(40:00) - – Building a courageous team: culture, process, and psychological safety
(43:00) - – Gong Labs: Turning product data into content with staying power
(46:00) - – Product + marketing alignment: the real unlock
(47:30) - – Where AI fits in the future of courageous marketing
(49:50) - – Udi’s book Courageous Marketing (and why you should go read it)
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Markup AI - A content quality platform that scans your content against brand voice, preferred terms, messaging standards, and AI-search readiness before it goes live, right inside Google Docs. Learn more at markup.ai.
Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive.
Walker Sands - An integrated B2B marketing and growth services agency that helps marketing leaders turn strategy into measurable business impact through their Outcome-based Marketing model. Learn more at walkersands.com/exitfive.

Knak - A no-code, campaign creation platform that lets you go from idea to on-brand email and landing pages in minutes, using AI where it actually matters. Learn more at knak.com/exitfive, or check out the MCP server by clicking this link.

***

Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

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53min
April 10, 2025The Role of Product Marketing in B2B: Strategies, Tools, and Metrics for Success
#236: Product Marketing | Product marketers are no strangers to change. Whether it’s navigating new responsibilities, proving impact to leadership, or balancing short-term wins with long-term strategy, the role is constantly evolving - and in 2025, that evolution is only accelerating.
This Exit Five Live session is built to help you stay ahead. Dave sits down with Natalie Marcotullio (Head of Growth & Product Marketing at Navattic), Jason Oakley (Founder of Productive PMM), and Eric Holland (Senior PMM at Betterworks and Co-Founder of DemoDash) for a tactical discussion on how to sharpen your skills, adapt to a shifting landscape, and deliver measurable impact.
They cover:
What a successful product marketing function looks like in B2B
Tools, frameworks, and metrics that actually matter
How to align with sales and customer success
Trends to watch in 2025 and beyond
Timestamps
(00:00) - – Intro to Natalie, Jason, and Eric
(02:00) - – Why product marketing is the most important function in B2B marketing
(03:50) - – Defining the role: What should product marketing actually own?
(06:00) - – How PMM impacts revenue, growth, and pipeline
(07:30) - – Differentiation: What it really takes and why most companies get it wrong
(10:00) - – Real examples of effective positioning in crowded markets
(14:30) - – What bad product marketing looks like
(16:00) - – Why PMMs need to market the product more (and not just during launches)
(19:00) - – Launch marketing, momentum, and creating "marketable moments"
(21:00) - – Why PMM charters don’t work - and what to do instead
(23:00) - – How to measure product marketing impact (with or without KPIs)
(29:30) - – Tying assets and enablement to revenue
(31:00) - – Tracking usage without a big tech stack
(34:00) - – Who owns positioning: PMM vs brand?
(36:00) - – How to shine as a PMM in a sales-led org
(40:30) - – The death of one-pagers and what to use instead
(43:00) - – What to look for when hiring a great product marketer
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April 07, 2025The 7 Marketing Metrics Every B2B Leader Should Report On
#235: Strategy |In this episode, Matt sits down with Aditya Vempaty, VP of Marketing at MoEngage, to talk about a topic every marketing leader has wrestled with: reporting on the right metrics. Aditya has led marketing at companies like Nutanix, Amplitude, and Synthego - and he’s learned how to build dashboards and reporting frameworks that actually communicate marketing’s impact across leadership, sales, and finance.
Matt and Aditya cover:
Why marketing metrics should translate performance into a common language the business understands
The four buckets of metrics every B2B team should track
How often you should be reporting on metrics
The exact 7 metrics Aditya uses to report up, down, and across the org
Timestamps
(00:00) - – Intro to Aditya
(02:12) - – Why communicating marketing’s impact is a challenge for many teams
(04:48) - – The importance of using a common language when reporting to leadership
(07:26) - – Breaking marketing metrics into four key buckets
(10:41) - – How pipeline coverage connects marketing to revenue
(13:10) - – Reporting on efficiency: CAC, cost per opportunity, and more
(16:25) - – The role of awareness metrics and how to contextualize them
(19:18) - – How marketing and sales alignment can be measured effectively
(21:47) - – The 7 core marketing metrics Aditya reports on regularly
(25:30) - – How often should marketing be reporting metrics?
(28:14) - – Dashboards, recurring meetings, and what execs actually care about
(31:06) - – Advice for first-time marketing leaders on building reporting habits
(33:20) - – Why clarity beats complexity when it comes to data
(36:02) - – Final thoughts
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