In this episode, Dave is a guest on the We're Not Marketers podcast, hosted by Zach Roberts (Founder of Break Into Product Marketing), Eric Holland (current Product Marketer at Klue), and Gab Bujold (Founder at Press X to Market). They sit down to talk about Dave’s journey in B2B marketing—from marketing manager to CMO—hosting a podcast for B2B marketing, and organizing Exit Five’s first-ever in-person event, Drive in Burlington. Plus, Dave answers one important question: Are product marketers actually marketers?

We’re Not Marketers and Dave also cover:

• One way “frameworks” might hurt your product storytelling.
• Why you can’t just start a podcast in B2B without this obvious skill?
• What Dave said is “the most important role in B2B marketing”.
• Don’t tell sales “what to do”. They almost never listen. Do this instead.
• Why “messaging by committee” sucks.
• Good news! The "80% difference" to great B2B marketing, uses two common PMM skills.
• How can we (product marketers) simplify B2B marketing

Timestamps

• (01:05) - Dave's Journey and Podcasting Tips

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In this episode, we’re delivering another B2B marketing lesson in under 10 minutes—no fluff, just actionable insights.

Matthew Carnevale, Marketing Manager at Exit Five, dives into a fundamental principle every B2B marketer should understand: you can't fake urgency. Real urgency isn’t something you create from thin air - it’s something that’s baked into your go-to-market strategy.

Matthew shares examples from Exit Five’s playbook, like driving urgency through limited event tickets and exclusive launch discounts, and explains how to adapt these techniques for any B2B setting. 

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This episode is from Drive 2024, our first-ever in-person event for B2B marketers in Burlington, Vermont. Dave hosts a marketing leadership panel with Peter Mahoney, CCO of GoTo, Tara Robertson, CMO at Bitly, and Amrita Mathur, Head of Marketing at Zapier. These marketing leaders open up about their experiences and share actionable advice to help you lead, manage, and set goals for your marketing team. 

Dave, Peter, Tara, and Amrita cover:

• Why business literacy is so important for marketing leaders
• How to set goals for your marketing team
• Each panelists biggest career risks — what worked, and what did not
• Practical frameworks for managing short-term demands while staying committed to long-term goals

Timestamps

• (00:00) - - Intro to Peter, Amrita, and Tara

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In this episode, Dave is joined by Sean Lane, Founding Partner at BeaconGTM and RevOps expert, to talk about scaling RevOps in B2B. With over a decade of experience at Drift and other B2B SaaS companies, Sean shares actionable tips for marketers looking to align operations with business goals.

Dave and Sean cover:

• How to build alignment between sales, marketing, and ops
• Why early-stage companies must align operational complexity with their growth maturity
• How continuous planning helps marketing and ops teams stay agile as business challenges come up

Timestamps

• (00:00) - - Intro to Sean

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Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive.

Walker Sands - An integrated B2B marketing and growth services agency that helps marketing leaders turn strategy into measurable business impact through their Outcome-based Marketing model. Learn more at walkersands.com/exitfive.

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In this special episode format, we’re testing out and delivering a B2B marketing lesson in under 10 minutes. No fluff—just practical, real-world insights based on what we’re learning each week here at Exit Five.

This solo episode features Matthew Carnevale, Marketing Manager at Exit Five, who discusses a key lesson every B2B marketer needs to know: why every marketing email should have just one call to action. 

Matthew shares the psychology behind decision-making, including Hick's Law, decision fatigue, and Fogg’s Behavioral Model, and explains why simplifying your emails can lead to higher conversions.

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Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive.

Walker Sands - An integrated B2B marketing and growth services agency that helps marketing leaders turn strategy into measurable business impact through their Outcome-based Marketing model. Learn more at walkersands.com/exitfive.

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In this episode, Dave Gerhardt sits down with Mason Cosby, a leader in account-based marketing (ABM) strategy and founder of Scrappy ABM. Dave and Mason unpack how to simplify ABM, create meaningful engagement, and build personalized campaigns that drive real business results.

Dave and Mason cover:

• Why companies should crawl before they walk or run” with ABM by starting with re-engagement programs instead of complex tech stacks.
• Why you need to track key signals of engagement and align marketing efforts to warm up prospects before sales outreach.
• Why you should be treating sales as an integrated marketing channel.

Timestamps

• (00:00) - - Intro to Mason

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Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive.

Walker Sands - An integrated B2B marketing and growth services agency that helps marketing leaders turn strategy into measurable business impact through their Outcome-based Marketing model. Learn more at walkersands.com/exitfive.

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Matthew Carnevale, Marketing Manager at Exit Five, welcomes back Tas Bober, Founder of Delphinium and expert in landing page optimization. Tas recently audited 40 B2B landing pages submitted by members in the community, and in this episode, she and Matt break down her biggest takeaways and share everything marketers should know about B2B landing pages. 

Matt and Tas cover:

• Why you should separate homepages from landing pages to maintain data integrity and make sure your messaging is optimized for campaigns.
• Why website speed, ADA compliance, and accessible design are critical in 2024—and how to address these.
• Avoiding buzzwords and feature-dumping by telling compelling product stories and focusing on the value customers receive instead of jargon.

Timestamps:

• (00:00) - - Intro To Tas

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Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive.

Walker Sands - An integrated B2B marketing and growth services agency that helps marketing leaders turn strategy into measurable business impact through their Outcome-based Marketing model. Learn more at walkersands.com/exitfive.

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In this episode, Dave sits down with Kira Federer, VP of SMB Marketing at Paramount Advertising, and formerly at companies like Reddit and Glassdoor. Kira shares her journey from sales to product marketing and the lessons she’s learned along the way.

Dave and Kira discuss:

• How to align marketing and sales through co-creation to ensure your sales team uses the content you create
• The value of a strong messaging framework and how it drives consistency in B2B marketing
• Why you need to time your product launches and ensure that marketing resonates with both your team and the market at the right moment

Timestamps

• (00:00) - - Intro to Kira

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Walker Sands - An integrated B2B marketing and growth services agency that helps marketing leaders turn strategy into measurable business impact through their Outcome-based Marketing model. Learn more at walkersands.com/exitfive.

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In this episode, Dave is joined by Madhav Bhandari, Head of Marketing at Storylane, a tool that helps companies build interactive product demos. Madhav shares the strategies that helped Storylane scale its website traffic from 25,000 to over 220,000 monthly visitors in just six months, using unique approaches to SEO and demand gen.

Dave and Madhav discuss:

• Leveraging Demo-Led SEO for 10X website traffic growth
• How targeting related product categories allowed Storylane to capture new audiences while building trust in their core market
• How AI is transforming workflows, enabling faster campaign execution, improving content creation, and driving innovation in marketing strategy

Timestamps

• (00:00) - - Intro to Madhav

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Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive.

Walker Sands - An integrated B2B marketing and growth services agency that helps marketing leaders turn strategy into measurable business impact through their Outcome-based Marketing model. Learn more at walkersands.com/exitfive.

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In this episode, Dave sits down with Mychelle Mollot, CMO at Knak, a platform for creating, designing, and optimizing email and landing page content. Mychelle shares her wealth of experience, having led marketing efforts at IBM and various startups. She discusses her approach to leading marketing teams, scaling brands, and embracing AI in B2B marketing.

Dave and Mychelle cover:

• How Knak built a brand and captured demand in a space without a known category
• The balance between meeting short-term goals and dedicating some marketing budget to high-risk, high-reward experiments
• How AI is evolving from a standalone tool to being embedded in the core functionalities of marketing platforms

Timestamps

• (00:00) - - Intro to Mychelle

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Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive.

Walker Sands - An integrated B2B marketing and growth services agency that helps marketing leaders turn strategy into measurable business impact through their Outcome-based Marketing model. Learn more at walkersands.com/exitfive.

Knak - A no-code, campaign creation platform that lets you go from idea to on-brand email and landing pages in minutes, using AI where it actually matters. Learn more at knak.com/exitfive, or check out the MCP server by clicking this link.

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