In this episode of The Green Grind, LeRoy and Kory sit down with industry icon Marty Grunder, CEO of Grunder Landscaping and president of The Grow Group, to tackle one of the biggest challenges in the green industry: why most companies never break past $1–2 million—and what it really takes to scale beyond it.

Marty shares decades of hard-earned lessons from building a respected multi-million-dollar company, hitting long plateaus, and ultimately breaking through by getting out of his own way. The conversation dives deep into the uncomfortable truth that owners are often the bottleneck, and growth requires letting go, trusting people, and running toward the "non-sexy" parts of the business.