#626: A software programmer and an accountant walk into retirement planning. Are they being creative? Dr. Zorana Ivcevic Pringle, a senior research scientist at Yale University's Center for Emotional Intelligence, says absolutely.

Pringle defines creativity as something that's both original and effective, whether you're solving an accounting problem or planning an unconventional retirement.

We explore the gap between having ideas and actually implementing them. You have this brilliant vision for starting a business, changing careers, or retiring early, but somehow you never take the first step. Pringle calls this the implementation gap, and she explains why it happens.

The conversation centers on a hypothetical couple: both 55 years old, one a programmer, the other in middle management. They want to retire at 57 and travel the world. Pringle uses this example to illustrate how creative problem-solving works in real life.

She explains that creativity requires comfort with uncertainty. When you're doing something new, you don't have a blueprint or checklist. There's always the risk that your early retirement plan could fail spectacularly — imagine having to return to work at 59 after the market tanks and your portfolio gets crushed.

Here's the key insight: you don't need full confidence to start. Pringle compares creative confidence to fuel in a car. You don't need a full tank — you can start with just a quarter tank and refuel along the way. Each small success builds more confidence for the next step.

The bottom line? Innovation happens through constant iteration. Your final destination might change throughout your career and retirement, and that's completely normal.

Resources Mentioned:

https://www.zorana-ivcevic-pringle.com/

Timestamps:

Note: Timestamps will vary on individual listening devices based on dynamic advertising run times. The provided timestamps are approximate and may be several minutes off due to changing ad lengths.

(0:00) Implementation gap intro

(1:00) Creativity beyond arts

(2:00) Original plus effective

(3:00) Ideas to action gap

(5:00) Retirement as creativity

(7:00) Openness drives creativity

(8:00) Problem finding process

(10:00) Big Five traits

(12:00) Openness and creativity

(15:00) Traits can change

(18:00) Uncertainty creates risk

(20:00) Courage versus comfort

(23:00) Self-efficacy challenges

(25:00) Quarter tank confidence

(28:00) Creative failure recovery

(32:00) Creative blocks

(36:00) Pivoting versus quitting

(39:00) Emotions as information

(42:00) Metrics versus intuition

(50:00) Implementation strategies

Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices