Neil starts by giving us a solid understanding of IASME’s pivotal role as the sole delivery partner of the Cyber Essentials scheme on behalf of the National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC). Working in close partnership with the NCSC and the Department for Science, Innovation, and Technology (DSIT), IASME ensures the consistency and credibility of Cyber Essentials across the UK. Neil explains how this collaborative effort aims to improve awareness, adoption, and implementation of essential cybersecurity measures, particularly for MSPs and their clients. 

One of the key points of our discussion is Neil’s emphasis on the necessity of Cyber Essentials. He explains that the scheme is designed to protect businesses against the most common cyber threats, offering a prescriptive approach to cybersecurity. Unlike other standards, Cyber Essentials doesn’t simply recommend best practices—it mandates them. Neil stresses that MSPs, as custodians of their clients’ IT systems, must lead the charge in implementing these essential controls. From patch management to MFA (multi-factor authentication), Cyber Essentials lays out straightforward measures that every organisation, regardless of size, can adopt. 

Neil provides context about why some MSPs are still hesitant to embrace Cyber Essentials. He attributes it to a lack of education and regulation within the industry. Despite being targeted by cybercriminals due to the vast number of endpoints they manage, many MSPs either underestimate the risks or delay action until after an incident. Neil calls on MSPs to take proactive steps by embedding Cyber Essentials into their service offerings, not only to secure their clients but also to stand out in an increasingly competitive marketplace. 

We also explore the three tiers of accreditation offered by IASME: Cyber Essentials, Cyber Essentials Plus, and the IASME Cyber Advisor certification. Neil elaborates on the differences, highlighting how Cyber Essentials focuses on a self-assessment validated by a trained assessor, while Cyber Essentials Plus involves an external audit of a business’s IT systems. For those looking to further establish credibility, the IASME Cyber Advisor certification is an excellent option. Advisors are trained to provide implementation guidance and help businesses achieve compliance. This certification represents a golden opportunity for MSPs to differentiate themselves and gain the trust of potential clients. 

Neil’s passion for education is evident throughout our conversation. He believes Cyber Essentials is not just a sales tool but a vital framework for educating businesses about cybersecurity. Whether it’s a sole trader or a multinational corporation, adopting Cyber Essentials means laying a solid foundation for cybersecurity and safeguarding against the ever-present threat of cyberattacks. He challenges MSPs to embrace their role as educators and advisors, helping clients understand the importance of these controls and encouraging adoption. 

In terms of what’s next, Neil shares exciting updates about upcoming changes to Cyber Essentials. Starting in April, IASME will introduce a new set of requirements, codenamed "Willow". These updates will reflect the industry’s shift towards passwordless authentication and more robust vulnerability management. Neil highlights the growing role of passkeys, which offer a safer alternative to traditional passwords. This evolution aims to stay ahead of cyber threats while making compliance more accessible and effective for businesses of all sizes. 

As the episode concludes, Neil reinforces the importance of collaboration across the industry to secure the UK against cyber threats. IASME is committed to being approachable and responsive, ensuring MSPs have the support they need to succeed. Whether it’s through their technical guidance team or Neil himself, IASME offers resources to help MSPs navigate the certification process and enhance their cybersecurity offerings. 

With Cyber Essentials growing in adoption year after year, the time has never been better to get involved. Whether you’re considering Cyber Essentials certification, Cyber Essentials Plus, or becoming an IASME Cyber Advisor, this conversation with Neil Furminger will inspire you to take the next step. 

Feel free to contact Neil Furminger through his email at [email protected]  

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Luis brings a wealth of experience from his time in the trenches as an MSP owner, and now as someone who works closely with MSPs worldwide. His approach challenges traditional thinking, offering a fresh perspective on what it truly means to partner with your clients. This isn’t just about delivering excellent customer service—it’s about creating meaningful, strategic relationships that foster long-term loyalty and, of course, consistent revenue. 

One of the standout points from our conversation was Luis's perspective on customer service. He argued that what many MSPs consider exceptional service—fixing issues quickly and meeting SLA commitments—is now merely the baseline. In his words, these are “table stakes”. Instead, the real opportunity lies in evolving beyond the reactive and operational aspects of client management. MSPs should focus on account management processes that align with their clients' business goals, ensuring those relationships are value-driven rather than transactional. This shift not only strengthens partnerships but also secures recurring revenue streams. 

Luis shared some actionable tips on how MSPs can achieve this. Firstly, he encouraged us to rethink how we approach clients with established relationships. If your current process is purely tactical—focused on filling the “white space” of products not yet sold—you risk being seen as nothing more than a vendor. To counter this, Luis suggested piloting a more strategic engagement model with a few clients, ensuring you’ve fine-tuned your process before rolling it out broadly. This iterative approach minimises risk, maximises impact, and reinforces trust—key drivers of revenue growth. 

Another critical takeaway was the importance of regular communication. Luis stressed that reducing engagement with smaller clients due to perceived stability is a missed opportunity. By increasing touchpoints, even in lighter ways, MSPs stay top-of-mind and maintain strong relationships. These frequent conversations also allow you to unearth operational challenges and future opportunities, making it easier to align your services with your clients’ evolving needs. This continuous alignment is what transforms satisfied clients into long-term partners and consistent revenue contributors. 

We also discussed the concept of risk versus security. Many MSPs default to promising clients safety and security through technical measures. While essential, Luis pointed out that these conversations often miss the mark. Instead, shifting the dialogue towards risk management reframes the value proposition. Clients are more engaged when they understand how you’re helping them navigate and mitigate risks specific to their business. By positioning yourself as a strategic advisor in this area, you deepen the relationship and create new opportunities for revenue. 

One particularly poignant idea Luis shared was the need to measure client success beyond retention and churn metrics. He emphasised the value of demonstrating ROI by connecting the dots between projects delivered and their tangible business impact. For instance, showing how an MFA implementation reduced failed login attempts to zero doesn’t just highlight your technical competency; it proves the value of your services in a business context. This approach, Luis explained, helps justify costs while strengthening the perception of value, directly influencing revenue retention and growth. 

Towards the end of our discussion, Luis brought everything back to the importance of storytelling. Whether it’s demonstrating your value to clients or marketing your services to prospects, telling the story of a single client’s success is far more impactful than citing general trends. By focusing on one relatable example, you resonate more deeply with your audience, making it easier for them to see themselves benefiting from your expertise. 

This episode is packed with practical advice for any MSP looking to improve client relationships and optimise revenue. From building strategic account management processes to reshaping the way you measure success, Luis Giraldo provides a wealth of insights that are both actionable and transformative. 

If you’re ready to rethink your approach and take your client relationships—and revenue—to the next level, this is the episode for you. And don’t forget, as Luis said, it’s all about testing and refining. Start small, learn, and scale your success. 

Connect and continue the conversation with Luis Giraldo through his LinkedIn profile HERE. 

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We kicked things off by addressing the ever-present mystery surrounding the LinkedIn algorithm. Sam’s straightforward advice? Stop blaming the algorithm for poor results. She explained that if your content isn’t resonating or your impressions are dropping, the issue likely lies with the content itself. Whether people are scrolling LinkedIn out of boredom or to sell something, your job is to create compelling, scroll-stopping content that connects with your audience on a human level. Sam emphasised the importance of moving beyond dull, uninspired posts and highlighted the need to produce value-driven, engaging material that appeals to your target market. 

One key takeaway from our conversation was LinkedIn’s latest push towards video content. According to Sam, LinkedIn is investing heavily in video with new features like the immersive video feed, similar to TikTok or Instagram Reels. Early adopters of portrait videos with captions will see a significant boost in visibility. For 2025, video should be a priority in your LinkedIn strategy. If you're not yet comfortable on camera, now’s the time to start practising—otherwise, you risk missing out on this trend. 

Sam also shared her non-negotiables for LinkedIn success, which are incredibly simple yet effective. First, build your network daily by connecting with your ideal clients. You can send up to 200 connection requests per week, and if you’re not hitting a 50% acceptance rate, it’s time to review your profile and targeting. Second, post consistently—a minimum of three times a week—with a mix of personal stories, educational content, and social proof. Finally, engage with others. Visibility on LinkedIn is a two-way street, and engaging meaningfully with others’ posts can be just as impactful as creating your own content. 

A standout segment of the episode was our discussion about moving prospects off LinkedIn and into your ecosystem. Sam explained that LinkedIn should be viewed as a traffic source, not the destination. Building an email list is critical for long-term success, as it gives you ownership of your audience data and allows you to nurture leads outside the platform. Your LinkedIn profile should act as a mini website, offering clear calls-to-action such as downloads, event registrations, or links to free resources. Sam shared how her own downloadable assets—like 44 prospecting tips or 100 content ideas—consistently drive thousands of email signups. 

LinkedIn events also came up as a powerful, often underutilised tool. Sam explained how these events can generate highly qualified leads when approached strategically. She recommended not just creating the event but actively inviting your network to it—up to 1,000 invitations per week. Follow up personally with registrants to secure their attendance, and use the event as an opportunity to capture email addresses. For Sam, events aren’t just about providing value on the day—they’re a gateway to building deeper relationships and converting leads into clients. 

We also touched on the Social Selling Index (SSI), a score out of 100 that measures your effectiveness on LinkedIn. Sam stressed that achieving a score of 70 or above can significantly increase the visibility of your posts. She encouraged listeners to focus on the four areas that make up the SSI: building your personal brand, connecting with the right people, engaging meaningfully, and fostering trusted relationships. 

Ultimately, this episode boiled down to a crucial message: LinkedIn success in 2025 requires a combination of consistent action, strategic content, and proactive engagement. Whether it’s through adopting video content, leveraging events, or building an email list, the platform offers enormous potential if used correctly. Sam’s insights were a timely reminder that hope is not a strategy—success on LinkedIn takes effort, creativity, and a clear plan. 

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We kicked off the episode with a bit of festive banter about Christmas indulgences, proving that even between the mince pies and wine, we’re committed to helping you move your business forward. Stuart, ever the reflective one, shared his highlights of the year, starting with the remarkable growth of the MSP Growth Hub community. With nearly 50 MSPs now on board, the energy, vulnerability, and results in the room have been nothing short of inspiring. It’s a testament to the power of shared ambition and the results that come when business owners start thinking differently about their potential and plans. 

2024 has been a year of breakthroughs for many MSPs, and a recurring theme in our conversation was the transformative power of having a clear plan. Stuart and I talked about how, when MSPs stop thinking they’ve hit their ceiling and start stretching their thinking, incredible things happen. Whether it’s through a business growth blueprint session or stepping back to review what’s truly holding them back, the results speak for themselves. As Stuart put it, businesses grow to the size of the thinking of their owners—a powerful reminder to challenge yourself as you enter 2025. 

One of the most impactful initiatives from the past year has been the distillation of the Growth Hub’s trainings into simple, actionable frameworks. Stuart highlighted the new account management framework, which links strategic and tactical activities to drive meaningful results. It’s about connecting the dots between numbers, people, and marketing to create a seamless asset in your business. Similarly, the Future Leaders programme, launching in 2025, is set to be a game-changer for MSPs. This initiative will help the next tier of leaders step up, taking on the skills and mindset needed to transition from technician to business leader. It’s all about building the leadership capacity required to scale MSPs beyond the day-to-day. 

We also delved into the importance of breaking down challenges into manageable chunks. Stuart’s teaching background—yes, he was once a maths teacher—provides a perfect metaphor. Just like teaching kids to build confidence in maths by mastering small steps, MSPs need to simplify their approach to big challenges. Whether it’s planning, implementing a PSA tool, or tackling sales and marketing, breaking tasks into smaller, achievable goals makes all the difference. We’ve seen this approach unlock massive wins for our clients this year, from those taking their first deliberate steps into leadership to others smashing their revenue targets. 

The community itself has been a standout highlight. Stuart shared an anecdote about an MSP leader who used a creative reward—a luxury hotel stay—to motivate a team member. This small gesture transformed not only the individual’s performance but also saved the business the cost of hiring additional staff. It’s a reminder that leadership is about understanding what truly motivates people and tapping into that potential to achieve extraordinary results. 

Looking ahead to 2025, Stuart and I are laser-focused on growing the MSP Growth Hub community and amplifying its impact. Together, we’re creating a movement that changes lives, supports businesses, and brings a sense of fun and camaraderie to the MSP world. As Stuart often says, it’s about helping more people, having a bigger impact, and enjoying the journey along the way. 

If there’s one takeaway we’d love you to have as you head into the New Year, it’s this: be deliberate. Take the time to reflect on what you’ve been avoiding, what’s truly holding you back, and what steps you can take to move forward. And remember, you don’t have to do it alone. Join a community, find accountability, and surround yourself with people who will challenge and support you. 

Thank you for letting us infiltrate your earbuds this year. It’s been an absolute privilege to share these conversations with you, and we’re so excited for what 2025 holds. If you’ve got a success story or want to be a guest on the podcast, get in touch—we’d love to hear from you. Here’s to an incredible year ahead. Let’s make it the best one yet! 

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It’s been a busy year for Stuart and me, and we kick off the episode with some festive banter, steering clear of any Mariah Carey renditions—thankfully! Stuart reflects on how much we’ve achieved and the importance of this reflective time of year. Together, we unpack what made these five episodes so impactful and why they’ve captured the attention of our audience. 

Coming in at number five, we discuss Episode 168 with the brilliant Claire Jenks, titled “So You Think You're Busy? How to Get Out of Overwhelm and Get Out of Your Own Way.” This episode tackled time management, productivity, and overcoming imposter syndrome—common themes that MSPs wrestle with daily. Stuart reminds us that time is finite, and how we choose to use it determines our success. He emphasises the power of saying “no” to less important demands to focus on what truly matters. As MSP leaders, finding time to prioritise and plan can transform the way we work, and this episode served as a timely reminder of how to do just that. 

At number four, we revisit Episode 184 with Jay McBain, “The Future of Running Your MSP in an AI World.” AI dominated headlines this year, and this episode provided much-needed clarity on its practical application for MSPs. Stuart and I agree that while AI is exciting, the focus should remain on operational efficiency. It’s not about chasing shiny objects but ensuring that existing tools and systems are fully utilised to deliver results. Jay’s message that AI will augment—not replace—good old-fashioned SOPs resonated with many. The key takeaway? Use AI as a supercharger, not a distraction, and lean on your vendors to guide adoption in a meaningful way. 

In third place is one of our early Ask Stuart episodes, Episode 143, “How to Get More Out of My Team.” This topic is close to the heart of every MSP owner who understands that their team is often the most significant investment in their business. Stuart reflects on how leadership, accountability, and communication are pivotal to maximising team potential. From the importance of defining your “Pied Piper tune” to creating a culture that aligns with your mission and values, this episode packed in valuable advice for improving team dynamics and achieving better results. It’s no wonder it’s one of the year’s favourites. 

At number two, we revisit Episode 147 with Mark Copeman from Wingman, “How to Get the Best Out of the MSP Global Event.” While this episode centred around preparing for events, it struck a deeper chord about the value of connection and learning. Stuart and I discussed the importance of defining success before attending any event, focusing on the right conversations and relationships to achieve meaningful outcomes. For many MSPs, getting out of their day-to-day bubble and engaging with peers and vendors at events is transformative. This episode captured that essence perfectly, and the feedback from listeners was phenomenal. 

Finally, at the top spot, we celebrate Episode 144 with Julie Hutchinson, “The Art of Having a Difficult Conversation.” This episode was a runaway success, receiving ten times the downloads of our second-place podcast. Julie’s expertise in guiding leaders through difficult conversations resonated deeply with our audience. Stuart highlights how avoiding difficult discussions only compounds problems, while Julie’s frameworks provide a clear, structured way to address challenges positively. This episode wasn’t just about managing tough topics; it reframed these conversations as opportunities to strengthen teams and drive results. It’s no surprise it captured the hearts of so many listeners. 

As Stuart and I reflect on 2024, we’re immensely proud of what we’ve achieved. Helping over 50 MSPs this year has been a highlight, and we’ve streamlined our own processes to deliver even more value to our clients. From enhancing our accountability systems to evolving our maturity score framework, everything we’ve done this year has been driven by one mission: helping MSPs scale to £1 million and beyond while enjoying more time, profit, and freedom. 

We’ve also launched the Future Leaders Programme, empowering our clients to take their businesses to the next level. It’s been amazing to witness the confidence and transformation within our community. The energy, the success stories, and the feedback have been nothing short of inspiring. 

As we sign off, Stuart and I want to thank you, our incredible listeners, for your support this year. Whether you’ve tuned in for tips, strategies, or just a bit of inspiration, we’re grateful to have you on this journey. 2025 is set to be even bigger and better, and we can’t wait to share what’s coming next. For now, have a very Merry Christmas, enjoy the time with your families, and we’ll see you in the New Year, ready to hit the ground running. Cheers! 

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Julie Hutchison kicks off by addressing what many of us know as "imposter syndrome," though she’s quick to debunk the term. It’s not a syndrome, she explains; you’re not broken. Instead, it’s a very human response that stems from our brain’s primitive mechanisms for survival. Drawing on the analogy of a caveman running from a lion, Julie highlights how our amygdala – a small but powerful part of our brain – is constantly scanning for threats. While this helped keep our ancestors alive, today it manifests in ways that can hold us back, like procrastination, perfectionism, or a fear of failure. 

Julie Hutchison explains that imposter syndrome tends to rear its head in situations where the challenge is high, and the support is low. This dynamic creates a fertile ground for self-doubt, fear, and inaction. Whether it’s a business owner hesitating to approach a big client, or someone avoiding a difficult team conversation, the root cause is often the same: the brain perceives these situations as threats, triggering a fight, flight, or freeze response. Julie encourages listeners to normalise these feelings. After all, over 70% of people report experiencing imposter syndrome at some point. Acknowledging that this is a universal human experience can be a huge relief and a powerful first step towards overcoming it. 

A key takeaway from this episode is the importance of support. Julie Hutchison emphasises that when faced with high challenges, increasing your support levels can make a world of difference. This could mean reaching out to peers, joining a community, or even just having an honest conversation with a trusted mentor. Normalising these challenges within a supportive environment helps to calm the nervous system, shifting us out of panic mode and into a space where we can think and act more clearly. In fact, Julie points out that simply talking about our fears can reduce their intensity and make them feel more manageable. 

One standout moment in the episode is Julie Hutchison’s advice on calming our biology. When we’re stuck in inaction, it’s often because our bodies are in a heightened state of stress. Julie suggests simple techniques like shaking out your energy, taking a deep breath, or even having a laugh with others to bring your nervous system back to a place of calm. From there, you’re in a much better position to tackle the challenge at hand. 

We also touch on how limiting beliefs, often formed during childhood, can contribute to feelings of inadequacy or self-doubt. Whether it’s something a teacher, parent, or peer once said, these beliefs can lodge in our subconscious and shape the way we view ourselves and our capabilities. Julie encourages listeners to challenge these outdated beliefs and replace them with a more objective, empowered perspective. The goal isn’t to ignore the challenge but to balance it with the right level of support and self-awareness. 

One of the most inspiring parts of this episode is when we discuss the power of peer groups. I share a story from a recent MSP Growth Hub meeting, where one business owner openly admitted feeling out of control. What followed was a roomful of peers offering support, sharing their own experiences, and ultimately normalising what could have felt like a solitary struggle. Julie Hutchison highlights how valuable these communities can be, providing not only practical guidance but also the emotional reassurance that you’re not alone. 

For those who might be tackling challenges solo, Julie suggests starting by increasing your own support structures. Whether that’s tapping into resources like AI tools (yes, even ChatGPT!), joining a network of like-minded professionals, or seeking advice from a coach, the key is to avoid isolating yourself. High challenges don’t have to be faced with low support. 

To wrap up, Julie Hutchison leaves us with an important reminder: you are not alone and feeling stuck or unsure is not a sign of failure. It’s a sign of being human. By acknowledging your feelings, seeking support, and taking small steps forward, you can start to overcome the barriers that hold you back. As always, the MSP Growth Hub is here to help you through these challenges, with resources, coaching, and a supportive community ready to assist. 

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Mark Lambert shared practical insights into why selling the tech alone won’t cut it in today’s market. Instead, he stresses the importance of focusing on outcomes that matter to your prospects, such as improving productivity, enhancing security, and solving tangible business challenges. As Mark explains, clients don’t care whether you’re using Office 365 or the latest security stack; they care about how you’ll help their business thrive. This shift from a tech-focused to a problem-solving mindset is critical for any MSP aiming to scale sustainably. 

We also discussed the right time for MSPs to invest in a dedicated sales function. For businesses under £1 million, Mark emphasised leveraging low-hanging fruit within existing accounts by deepening relationships and improving client retention. However, once an MSP is on the path to £5 million, building a dedicated sales strategy becomes a priority. This includes hiring the right salespeople, integrating them into the business culture, and aligning them with your values and goals. Mark highlighted the dangers of hiring a salesperson too early or without the proper alignment, which can lead to short-sighted sales tactics that undermine long-term client relationships. 

One of the key takeaways from Mark Lambert’s approach is the concept of consultative selling, which he believes should permeate the entire MSP—not just the sales team. Consultative selling is about deeply understanding your prospects and clients, their challenges, and their goals. Mark stressed that this isn’t the job of one person; it’s a company-wide mindset. Whether it’s your service desk collecting insights from clients, your marketing team creating educational content, or your leadership team championing values, everyone plays a role in creating a culture of trust and value-driven relationships. 

Mark and I explored the challenges of navigating cold outreach in a world where traditional methods like direct LinkedIn messages often fall flat. Instead, Mark advocates for a more tailored and personal approach. By leading with value—perhaps highlighting a productivity gap or a security concern specific to the prospect’s business—you can initiate meaningful conversations without resorting to salesy tactics. Mark shared that while cold outreach still has its place, it’s most effective when backed by thoughtful preparation and a clear understanding of the client’s needs. 

Another golden nugget from this conversation was the importance of discovery in the sales process. Mark stressed that a thorough discovery process helps uncover the true pain points of a business and builds trust along the way. He shared how asking the right questions—and going deeper when needed—can identify not only the problems but also the urgency behind them. This positions you as a trusted advisor rather than just another salesperson. Mark’s advice: don’t be afraid to ask questions and listen actively to uncover the core challenges holding businesses back. 

One of the most memorable moments of the episode was Mark Lambert’s reminder to always create urgency without applying pressure. It’s about helping prospects see the value and importance of solving their challenges sooner rather than later. By presenting yourself as a problem-solver, you’ll naturally guide the conversation to a point where prospects ask, “Is this something you can help me with?”—a clear invitation to close the deal. 

Mark’s practical tips and insights were incredibly valuable, and his perspective on embedding a consultative selling approach across the whole MSP is a game-changer. If you’re serious about scaling your MSP, this episode is packed with actionable advice to help you move forward. 

Before you go, don’t forget to check out another related episode, EP174 - Ask Stuart #12 - Why You Don’t Need a Salesperson Now… Or Ever with Ian Luckett & Stuart Warwick. It’s a brilliant companion piece to today’s conversation, exploring how MSPs can maximise their sales efforts even without a dedicated salesperson in the early stages. 

To continue the conversation with Mark Lambert or chat with him on how to get started closing deals by solving problems, book a slot directly on his calendar by clicking HERE. 

You can also connect with Mark Lambert on LinkedIn, simply click HERE. Or you can also check out his website HERE. 

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And when you’re ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you’ll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads. 

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One of the key takeaways from this conversation is understanding why MSPs find content creation so difficult in the first place. Nigel pointed out that many MSP owners are simply stretched too thin. Whether they’re managing cybersecurity threats, fielding client calls, or running the day-to-day operations of their business, creating content often falls to the bottom of the priority list. Add to that the natural tendency for MSP owners—many of whom identify as introverted “techies”—to shy away from putting themselves out there, and it’s no wonder content creation can feel like an insurmountable task. Nigel empathised deeply, drawing on his own experience as a former MSP owner, but he also stressed that getting started is more achievable than it seems. 

So, how do MSPs overcome these hurdles and start producing content that truly makes an impact? Nigel suggests starting simple. He advises listening to your help desk and turning the common questions your clients ask into marketing assets. This is a practical, easy-to-implement approach inspired by Marcus Sheridan’s book, They Ask, You Answer. For example, if a client frequently inquires about password security, why not create a quick video or a short guide to address that issue? Not only does this save time by providing a reusable resource, but it also positions you as a helpful authority in your clients' eyes. 

Nigel and I also explored the formats of content that are working particularly well for MSPs right now. While long-form pieces like white papers may still have their place, the reality is that most audiences have shorter attention spans these days. Short, engaging videos are proving to be highly effective, as are simple guides, checklists, and infographics. Nigel highlighted cybersecurity guides and onboarding checklists as examples of content that resonate strongly with prospects. These pieces don’t have to be elaborate; a well-designed 5- to 8-page document or a quick video filmed on your phone can do the trick. The key is providing value and addressing real pain points your audience faces. 

Another gem Nigel shared is the power of personalisation. Tailoring your content to specific niches or verticals can make it far more effective. Whether you’re working with architects, legal firms, or small businesses, speaking directly to their unique challenges will make your message stand out. For example, an email campaign targeting architects might highlight how to streamline project management through IT solutions, whereas content for legal firms might focus on cybersecurity and client confidentiality. By addressing the specific needs of your audience, you create a sense of connection and trust, which can be pivotal in converting prospects into clients. 

We also discussed the importance of consistency. Nigel acknowledged that for busy MSP owners, maintaining a regular flow of content can feel impossible. His solution? Delegate. Hiring a part-time marketing intern or leveraging content platforms like the Tech Tribe can take the pressure off your shoulders. The Tech Tribe, in particular, offers MSP-specific resources such as social media posts, blogs, and newsletters that you can customise and deploy quickly. Nigel emphasised the importance of getting from “zero to one”—just starting with one consistent piece of content, whether that’s a weekly blog, a LinkedIn post, or a video, and building from there. 

One of my favourite insights from this conversation was Nigel’s perspective on educating prospects during the sales process. He encourages MSPs to create tools like buyer’s guides that help prospects understand what good and bad IT service looks like. These educational assets not only build trust but also position you as an authority in your field. By guiding prospects through their decision-making process without the hard sell, you differentiate yourself from competitors and create lasting impressions. 

Ultimately, creating scroll-stopping content isn’t about reinventing the wheel. It’s about listening to your clients, addressing their pain points, and consistently showing up with value-driven messages. Whether you leverage videos, guides, or curated resources like those offered by the Tech Tribe, the key is to start small, tailor your approach, and stay consistent. 

Nigel’s wisdom and practical advice are a testament to his deep understanding of the MSP space and his commitment to helping businesses succeed. If you’re struggling to create content or looking for ways to make your marketing efforts more effective, this episode is packed with actionable tips to get you moving in the right direction. And if you haven’t yet checked out the Tech Tribe, Nigel’s community is an incredible resource for MSPs looking to scale their businesses with confidence. 

For full details of our Business Blueprint Workshop on Tuesday 3rd December, click HERE. 

Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK 

And when you’re ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you’ll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads. 

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To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE 

Until next time, look after yourself and I’ll catch up with you soon!

 Teresa Heath-Wareing introduces us to a crucial understanding of how self-sabotage works, explaining that many of us fall into patterns that keep us comfortable but ultimately hinder our growth. Self-sabotaging behaviours often stem from a place of fear—whether it's fear of failure, fear of judgment, or even fear of success. When we’re stepping into new or uncomfortable situations, our brain can see these as potential threats, activating a “protection mode” that drives us back to our comfort zones. Teresa highlights that self-sabotage isn’t about laziness or lack of ambition; rather, it’s our mind trying to keep us safe. Yet, as she reminds us, that “safe” place can end up stalling our growth and keeping us from the breakthroughs we’re capable of achieving. 

One of Teresa’s key insights is the importance of consistency and authenticity in breaking self-sabotaging habits. She speaks to the value of building a visible, authentic presence online—not just for marketing but as a powerful way to establish trust and connection with clients and prospects. Teresa believes that when MSP owners are authentic and consistent in their online presence, they build a network of trust that lays the groundwork for stronger, long-lasting business relationships. This trust allows clients and prospects to get to know you before they’ve even spoken with you, something that is increasingly important as research shows that most of the buying decision is made before a client even contacts you. 

During our conversation, we touched on how self-sabotaging can be particularly sneaky for MSPs, who often prioritise solving technical issues over working on the strategic growth of their business. Teresa explains that this can lead to avoidance of challenging, but necessary, steps like sales and marketing, often because these tasks push us outside our comfort zone. She shares a critical tip: look for patterns. Self-sabotage can manifest as procrastination, indecision, or distractions, and recognising these patterns is the first step to breaking free from them. Teresa recommends slowing down and questioning why we might be resisting certain tasks or decisions. Are we avoiding an uncomfortable feeling or fear of failure? By reflecting on this, we can start identifying the root of our self-sabotage. 

Teresa also emphasises the need for incremental changes—what she calls “1% shifts”—to overcome self-sabotaging tendencies. Rather than attempting drastic transformations, Teresa suggests that small, manageable changes can build confidence and create sustainable progress over time. This incremental approach helps build integrity with ourselves, proving that you can follow through on your commitments. These “1% shifts” allow you to step outside your comfort zone slowly, creating new neural pathways that make it easier to tackle bigger challenges in the future. For example, if an MSP owner is hesitant to start marketing themselves online, they could start by making one small post per week. Over time, these small efforts add up, gradually building confidence and consistency. 

One of the standout lessons from Teresa is the importance of understanding the ego’s role in self-sabotage. Ego can prevent us from asking for help, acknowledging when we’re stuck, or admitting that we don’t have all the answers. Teresa shares that many business owners may avoid seeking help or taking advice because their ego convinces them that they have everything under control, even when they could benefit from guidance. She encourages MSP owners to step away from this mindset, embrace vulnerability, and take advantage of the collaborative and supportive nature of the MSP community, which thrives on shared knowledge and experiences. 

The practical framework that Teresa Heath-Wareing shares in this episode provides MSP owners with tools to identify and address self-sabotaging behaviours. From recognising patterns to making 1% shifts, Teresa’s approach is about building self-awareness, resilience, and consistency. She encourages listeners to approach self-sabotage with empathy, reminding us that our brains are simply trying to protect us. With greater awareness, MSP owners can harness their potential by setting aside self-limiting beliefs and making intentional choices that lead to growth. 

Whether you’re trying to improve your marketing consistency, make strategic decisions, or take your business to the next level, Teresa’s insights on self-sabotaging behaviours offer a clear, actionable path. This episode is packed with Teresa Heath-Wareing’s expert advice on the psychology behind self-sabotage, and it will resonate with anyone looking to break through their mental barriers to achieve greater success.  

To access Teresa’s FREE training and workbook, simply click HERE. 

You can reach out to Teresa Heath-Wareing through her LinkedIn profile HERE Check out the Teresa’s podcast HERE, or her website HERE. 

For full details of our Business Blueprint Workshop on Tuesday 3rd December, click HERE. 

Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK 

And when you’re ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you’ll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads. 

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To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE 

Until next time, look after yourself and I’ll catch up with you soon!   

We kicked off with a straightforward explanation of what the dark web actually is. Tony clarified the distinctions between the open web (the visible internet we all use daily), the deep web (pages that aren’t indexed by search engines and require authentication, like online banking portals), and the dark web. The dark web is a hidden section of the internet that’s intentionally obscured and often requires specific software, like Tor, to access. While it’s not exclusively for criminal activity, the dark web is a hub for illegal activities, data trading, and stolen information—everything from personal credentials to corporate data can be bought and sold there. 

Tony shared why MSPs should be particularly concerned about dark web monitoring. He emphasised that most MSP clients don’t realise just how vulnerable their data is or how easily it can end up on the dark web after a breach. He recounted how MSP Dark Web was born out of frustration with other vendors and security tools, which weren’t doing enough to protect his clients. Now, his platform allows MSPs to monitor their customers’ domains and personal emails to detect stolen credentials and alert clients before damage is done. With Tony’s dark web monitoring service, MSPs can see if sensitive client information is being circulated on the dark web and act quickly to advise their clients on securing or updating their credentials. 

One of the core themes we discussed was how to present this information to clients. For many business owners, technical jargon about dark web monitoring or data breaches goes over their heads. Tony shared that MSP Dark Web provides a comprehensive marketing toolkit for MSPs, which includes email templates, leaflets, and other resources to help MSPs communicate the importance of dark web monitoring in a simple, understandable way. This helps MSPs position dark web monitoring as a proactive, essential service that can protect businesses from potential cyber threats. 

During our chat, Tony highlighted a sobering statistic: his database contains 149 billion emails and 88 billion passwords from data breaches worldwide, and this number grows every day as new breaches occur. His platform also tracks “session cookie data”—which can allow attackers to access accounts even if two-factor authentication (2FA) is enabled. This was a real eye-opener, and Tony advised listeners to avoid the “remember me” option on websites and to regularly clear their browser’s cache and cookies. These steps may seem small, but they can make a big difference in protecting your information from dark web exposure. 

Another crucial point Tony shared is the importance of educating clients about the risks associated with reusing passwords. If a password is stolen from one site and a client uses that same password elsewhere, cybercriminals can potentially access multiple accounts. Dark web monitoring allows MSPs to detect compromised credentials in time for clients to change their passwords, rendering the stolen data useless. 

We also delved into the misconceptions around cybersecurity stacks, particularly the tendency of MSPs to “stack fiddle,” as Paul Green has called it. This occurs when MSPs add endless layers of security tools without a cohesive strategy. Dark web monitoring doesn’t necessarily overlap with other cybersecurity measures in an MSPs stack; it complements them by focusing on external threats. Rather than just looking at data within a business, dark web monitoring looks outward, alerting MSPs to information that might have been exposed in breaches they wouldn’t otherwise be able to track. 

Towards the end of the episode, Tony emphasised the growing importance of dark web monitoring for everyone—not just those with large bank accounts. Cybercriminals don’t just target wealthy individuals; anyone can become a victim. For instance, attackers can exploit simple pieces of personal information, like a preference for dogs over cats, to manipulate victims. This was a stark reminder that every MSP should consider dark web monitoring as an essential part of their security offering. 

In summary, Tony Capewell made a compelling case for why dark web monitoring is a must-have service for MSPs. It’s not just about selling a new tool; it’s about proactively protecting clients and building trust. With resources like MSP Dark Web, MSPs can offer their clients peace of mind by ensuring that if their data does appear on the dark web, they’re immediately informed and can take action to secure their information. If you’re an MSP looking to strengthen your cybersecurity stack and communicate its value to clients, dark web monitoring could be the solution you need. 

Connect with Tony Capewell through their website by clicking HERE 

For full details of our Business Blueprint Workshop on Tuesday 3rd December, click HERE. 

Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK 

And when you’re ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you’ll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads. 

OR  

To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE 

Until next time, look after yourself and I’ll catch up with you soon!