The Locked up Living Podcast: Surviving and thriving in prisons and other challenging environments

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January 15, 2025 Joanna Brittan (Audio); From Boarding School to Harrods: Joanna Brittan's Fight for Justice
This week we present two podcast conversations, featuring Bridgette Carr and Joanna Brittan. The conversations delve into the complex issues surrounding human trafficking, sexual abuse, and the broader implications of these topics on society. Both conversations highlight the importance of understanding the humanity of individuals affected by these issues, while also addressing systemic factors that contribute to their experiences. We suggest that you listen to Bridgette’s conversation first since it excellent international context for the events that Joanna Brittan describes from her own experience.
Jo is a remarkable woman who has led an extraordinary life. She has been on our podcast before talking about abuse in UK private schools. Her description and understanding of the pain experienced by little children left in boarding school is painful to hear. She also speaks out about the sexual abuse which took place in Sherborne Prep School, in particular but not only, and how nobody was held to account despite the evidence. In this conversation she talks about her terrible experiences of being trafficked and abused by those involved with the activities of Harrods owners and staff. The abuses continued, though not to Joanna, until it was sold by Mohamed al Fayed in 2010.

"I guess you could describe me as a campaigner for justice for Boarding School CSA Survivors. 2009 to date. Calling for the urgent introduction of Mandatory Reporting of CSA in UK which most of the the rest of the world has had for some time. You can see in Mandate Now https://mandatenow.org.uk/

48 min
January 15, 2025 Bridgette Carr (Audio); "The Uncomfortable Truth: Our Role in Trafficking
This week we present two podcast conversations, featuring Bridgette Carr and Joanna Brittan. The conversations delve into the complex issues surrounding human trafficking, sexual abuse, and the broader implications of these topics on society. Both conversations highlight the importance of understanding the humanity of individuals affected by these issues, while also addressing systemic factors that contribute to their experiences. We suggest that you listen to Bridgette’s conversation first since it excellent international context for the events that Joanna Brittan describes from her own experience.
Bridgette Carr, a distinguished clinical law professor at the University of Michigan, engages in a profound discussion about the complexities of sexual assault and human trafficking. In her conversation, she emphasizes the importance of recognizing trafficking as a systemic issue rather than merely attributing it to individual bad actors. Bridgette highlights that many victims of trafficking have rich lives beyond their traumatic experiences, and her work often involves supporting clients in achieving their broader life goals, such as education and personal milestones.

Bridgette also addresses the misconceptions surrounding trafficking, noting that it often involves blurred lines between victim and perpetrator, particularly when individuals who were once victims become involved in recruiting others. This complexity challenges the simplistic narratives society tends to favour. She advocates addressing the root causes of vulnerability, such as poverty, rather than focusing solely on rescue missions, which can be misguided.

Bridgette also discusses the Harrods Affair, stressing the need to understand trafficking within a broader context. She encourages a shift in focus towards systemic solutions, such as universal income, to reduce vulnerability and prevent trafficking. Additionally, she mentions innovative projects at Michigan Law School aimed at tracing supply chains in agriculture to identify potential trafficking issues, showcasing the intersection of technology and social justice in combating these pervasive problems. Overall, Bridgette’s insights illuminate the multifaceted nature of trafficking and the necessity for a compassionate, informed approach to advocacy and legal reform.
Bridgette Carr is a distinguished clinical law professor at the University of Michigan Law School, recognized for her comprehensive understanding of the complexities of sexual assault and human trafficking cases. With over 15 years of practice in trauma-informed interviews and investigations, she has developed a profound reputation for her compassionate, empathetic, and equitable approach. At the University of Michigan Law School, Bridgette founded the Human Trafficking Clinic, the first clinical law program devoted to addressing human trafficking issues and teaching law students trauma-informed and ethical lawyering skills. Since then, Bridgette and her colleagues have provided free legal services to the victims of trafficking crimes.

In addition to her impressive legal practice, Bridgette is a sought-after trainer and consultant on sexual assault and human trafficking. Her extensive experience in representing individuals extends beyond the courtroom; she also equips law students and legal professionals with the essential skills for ethical, compassionate, and trauma-informed interviewing, investigation, and trial advocacy techniques within the state, federal, and administrative systems.

https://michigan.law.umich.edu/faculty-and-scholarship/our-faculty/bridgette-carr

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Human-Trafficking-Policy-Bridgette-Carr/dp/1422489035
39 min
January 15, 2025 Bridgette Carr (Video); The Uncomfortable Truth: Our Role in Trafficking
This week we present two podcast conversations, featuring Bridgette Carr and Joanna Brittan. The conversations delve into the complex issues surrounding human trafficking, sexual abuse, and the broader implications of these topics on society. Both conversations highlight the importance of understanding the humanity of individuals affected by these issues, while also addressing systemic factors that contribute to their experiences. We suggest that you listen to Bridgette’s conversation first since it excellent international context for the events that Joanna Brittan describes from her own experience.
Bridgette Carr, a distinguished clinical law professor at the University of Michigan, engages in a profound discussion about the complexities of sexual assault and human trafficking. In her conversation, she emphasizes the importance of recognizing trafficking as a systemic issue rather than merely attributing it to individual bad actors. Bridgette highlights that many victims of trafficking have rich lives beyond their traumatic experiences, and her work often involves supporting clients in achieving their broader life goals, such as education and personal milestones.

Bridgette also addresses the misconceptions surrounding trafficking, noting that it often involves blurred lines between victim and perpetrator, particularly when individuals who were once victims become involved in recruiting others. This complexity challenges the simplistic narratives society tends to favour. She advocates addressing the root causes of vulnerability, such as poverty, rather than focusing solely on rescue missions, which can be misguided.

Bridgette also discusses the Harrods Affair, stressing the need to understand trafficking within a broader context. She encourages a shift in focus towards systemic solutions, such as universal income, to reduce vulnerability and prevent trafficking. Additionally, she mentions innovative projects at Michigan Law School aimed at tracing supply chains in agriculture to identify potential trafficking issues, showcasing the intersection of technology and social justice in combating these pervasive problems. Overall, Bridgette’s insights illuminate the multifaceted nature of trafficking and the necessity for a compassionate, informed approach to advocacy and legal reform.
Bridgette Carr is a distinguished clinical law professor at the University of Michigan Law School, recognized for her comprehensive understanding of the complexities of sexual assault and human trafficking cases. With over 15 years of practice in trauma-informed interviews and investigations, she has developed a profound reputation for her compassionate, empathetic, and equitable approach. At the University of Michigan Law School, Bridgette founded the Human Trafficking Clinic, the first clinical law program devoted to addressing human trafficking issues and teaching law students trauma-informed and ethical lawyering skills. Since then, Bridgette and her colleagues have provided free legal services to the victims of trafficking crimes.

In addition to her impressive legal practice, Bridgette is a sought-after trainer and consultant on sexual assault and human trafficking. Her extensive experience in representing individuals extends beyond the courtroom; she also equips law students and legal professionals with the essential skills for ethical, compassionate, and trauma-informed interviewing, investigation, and trial advocacy techniques within the state, federal, and administrative systems.

https://michigan.law.umich.edu/faculty-and-scholarship/our-faculty/bridgette-carr

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Human-Trafficking-Policy-Bridgette-Carr/dp/1422489035

39 min
January 08, 2025Chris Braitch (Video) Seen & Heard: Navigating Healing After Boarding School trauma
keywords

emotional health, boarding school trauma, Seen and Heard, mental health coaching, childhood trauma, healing journey, group therapy, educational system, child welfare, trauma-informed care
summaryIn this conversation, David and Naomi meet Chris Braitch, an emotional health coach and founder of Seen and Heard, (http://www.seenheard.org.uk/) and discuss the impact of boarding school experiences on emotional health. Chris shares insights into the trauma associated with boarding schools, the justification for sending children away, and the differences between boarding schools and children's homes. Chris emphasizes the importance of group work in recovery and highlights unique approaches to healing, including emotional freedom techniques and somatic therapies. He also addresses the challenges within the boarding school system and the need for accountability and change.

Bio
Chris Braitch is a Father of 3. He is also an emotional health Coach for individuals, organisations, and a founding director of the not for profit Seen & Heard. Seen & Heard supports the emotional wellbeing of past and present pupils of boarding an Independent day schools, and their families.
Chris has found his calling now supporting others, utilising his diverse life experiences and professional skills learned over a 20-year career in sales, marketing, and management at some of the worlds largest food companies.
He has come to understand that where your greatest wound lays, is where you can find your gold and gift to the world. His difficult life experiences, and ongoing journey with challenging mental and physical health, are now opening new doors and conversations in his personal and professional.
He feels ready now to step into his purpose, that he feels he’s been training his whole life for.
To reach Seen & Heard www.seenheard.org.uk
To reach Chris’s coaching www.growthwave.uk
To email: [email protected]
takeaways
Chris Braitch founded Seen and Heard to support ex-pupils of boarding schools.
Boarding school trauma can lead to long-term emotional health issues.
Many parents believe they are acting in their child's best interest by sending them to boarding school.
There is a generational trauma associated with boarding school experiences.
Emotional deprivation in boarding schools can lead to difficulties in forming relationships later in life.
Group work is essential for healing and recovery from boarding school trauma.
The boarding school system often lacks transparency and accountability.
Teachers in boarding schools may experience burnout and moral dilemmas.
Healing involves a combination of individual and group therapy approaches.
There is a growing awareness of the need for trauma-informed care in educational settings.
51 min
January 08, 2025Chris Braitch (audio) Seen & Heard: Navigating Healing After Boarding School trauma
keywords
emotional health, boarding school trauma, Seen and Heard, mental health coaching, childhood trauma, healing journey, group therapy, educational system, child welfare, trauma-informed care
summary
In this conversation, David and Naomi meet Chris Braitch, an emotional health coach and founder of Seen and Heard, (http://www.seenheard.org.uk/) and discuss the impact of boarding school experiences on emotional health. Chris shares insights into the trauma associated with boarding schools, the justification for sending children away, and the differences between boarding schools and children's homes. Chris emphasizes the importance of group work in recovery and highlights unique approaches to healing, including emotional freedom techniques and somatic therapies. He also addresses the challenges within the boarding school system and the need for accountability and change.
Bio
Chris Braitch is a Father of 3. He is also an emotional health Coach for individuals, organisations, and a founding director of the not for profit Seen & Heard. Seen & Heard supports the emotional wellbeing of past and present pupils of boarding an Independent day schools, and their families.
Chris has found his calling now supporting others, utilising his diverse life experiences and professional skills learned over a 20-year career in sales, marketing, and management at some of the worlds largest food companies.
He has come to understand that where your greatest wound lays, is where you can find your gold and gift to the world. His difficult life experiences, and ongoing journey with challenging mental and physical health, are now opening new doors and conversations in his personal and professional.
He feels ready now to step into his purpose, that he feels he’s been training his whole life for.
To reach Seen & Heard www.seenheard.org.uk
To reach Chris’s coaching www.growthwave.uk
To email: [email protected]
takeaways
Chris Braitch founded Seen and Heard to support ex-pupils of boarding schools.
Boarding school trauma can lead to long-term emotional health issues.
Many parents believe they are acting in their child's best interest by sending them to boarding school.
There is a generational trauma associated with boarding school experiences.
Emotional deprivation in boarding schools can lead to difficulties in forming relationships later in life.
Group work is essential for healing and recovery from boarding school trauma.
The boarding school system often lacks transparency and accountability.
Teachers in boarding schools may experience burnout and moral dilemmas.
Healing involves a combination of individual and group therapy approaches.
There is a growing awareness of the need for trauma-informed care in educational settings.
51 min
January 01, 2025 George (Georgina) Capone (audio) Dicovering the Strength Within: Boxing as a Path to Well-Being
In this episode, Naomi and David speak with George (Georgina) Capone, a passionate advocate for using boxing as a therapeutic tool for well-being. They discuss the evolution of George's workshops for women, the benefits of embodied practices, and the importance of creating safe spaces for individuals to explore their inner strength.
George is a Clinical Psychologist, Accredited Schema Therapist and a dedicated Boxing Coach with a specialist interest in body based therapies. She combines her deep understanding of the nervous system with non-contact boxing classes and personalised life coaching.

George's journey into boxing later in life, along with her lifelong passion for movement, has driven her to create a safe space for women to heal and empower themselves. Her personal experiences and mission led to her creating the Warrior Women project, which is dedicated to helping women rediscover their inner strength.

When she's not coaching or training, George enjoys dancing, singing, cooking, and spending time with friends.

Her mission is to provide a supportive community for women, using her journey to inspire and empower others.

Key Themes:
1. The Importance of Evaluation in Therapy: George highlights the challenges faced in the NHS regarding time and resources for continuous evaluation of therapeutic practices. - She emphasizes the need for ongoing assessment to validate the effectiveness of novel approaches like boxing therapy.
2. Workshops and Community Engagement:** - George and her business partner, Lorna Evans, have developed a three-year business strategy to expand their workshops, aiming to reach at least 100 women in the coming year. - Plans include hosting workshops at festivals and creating corporate packages for team-building activities.
3. Benefits of the Workshops: - Participants engage in themes such as self-care, boundary-setting, and self-expression. - George shares that evaluations have shown positive changes in self-esteem among participants, with many reporting a newfound ability to take up space and express their needs.
4. Embodied Practices and Psychotherapy: - The conversation touches on the integration of embodied practices in psychotherapy, particularly the use of boxing to access the fight response. - George discusses the parallels between boxing and psychomotor psychotherapy, where physical engagement helps individuals process emotions and experiences.
5. Future Aspirations:- George expresses a desire to continue expanding the reach of her workshops and to evaluate their impact on both participants and staff in the NHS. - She aims to create a supportive environment for both clients and practitioners, recognizing the importance of co-regulation in therapeutic settings.
6. Resources and Further Learning: - Listeners are encouraged to visit the Warrior Women Project website: www.warriorawomenproject.uk. - George recommends checking out Georgia Verrier's Conscious Combat Club for additional resources and online classes.
Conclusion:This episode serves as an inspiring reminder of the transformative power of creative and embodied practices in therapy. George Capone's work exemplifies how integrating movement, play, and community can foster resilience and empowerment in individuals seeking to find their inner warrior.
Call to Action: If you're interested in exploring boxing as a well-being activity or want to learn more about George's workshops, visit the Warrior Women Project (UK) website or consider attending one of their upcoming events.
About — Warrior Women Project
www.warriorwomenproject.uk
44 min
January 01, 2025 George (Georgina) Capone (video) Dicovering the Strength Within: Boxing as a Path to Well-Being
In this episode, Naomi and David speak with George (Georgina) Capone, a passionate advocate for using boxing as a therapeutic tool for well-being. They discuss the evolution of George's workshops for women, the benefits of embodied practices, and the importance of creating safe spaces for individuals to explore their inner strength.
George is a Clinical Psychologist, Accredited Schema Therapist and a dedicated Boxing Coach with a specialist interest in body based therapies. She combines her deep understanding of the nervous system with non-contact boxing classes and personalised life coaching.

George's journey into boxing later in life, along with her lifelong passion for movement, has driven her to create a safe space for women to heal and empower themselves. Her personal experiences and mission led to her creating the Warrior Women project, which is dedicated to helping women rediscover their inner strength.

When she's not coaching or training, George enjoys dancing, singing, cooking, and spending time with friends.

Her mission is to provide a supportive community for women, using her journey to inspire and empower others.

Key Themes:
1. The Importance of Evaluation in Therapy: George highlights the challenges faced in the NHS regarding time and resources for continuous evaluation of therapeutic practices. - She emphasizes the need for ongoing assessment to validate the effectiveness of novel approaches like boxing therapy.
2. Workshops and Community Engagement:** - George and her business partner, Lorna Evans, have developed a three-year business strategy to expand their workshops, aiming to reach at least 100 women in the coming year. - Plans include hosting workshops at festivals and creating corporate packages for team-building activities.
3. Benefits of the Workshops: - Participants engage in themes such as self-care, boundary-setting, and self-expression. - George shares that evaluations have shown positive changes in self-esteem among participants, with many reporting a newfound ability to take up space and express their needs.
4. Embodied Practices and Psychotherapy: - The conversation touches on the integration of embodied practices in psychotherapy, particularly the use of boxing to access the fight response. - George discusses the parallels between boxing and psychomotor psychotherapy, where physical engagement helps individuals process emotions and experiences.
5. Future Aspirations:- George expresses a desire to continue expanding the reach of her workshops and to evaluate their impact on both participants and staff in the NHS. - She aims to create a supportive environment for both clients and practitioners, recognizing the importance of co-regulation in therapeutic settings.
6. Resources and Further Learning: - Listeners are encouraged to visit the Warrior Women Project website: www.warriorawomenproject.uk. - George recommends checking out Georgia Verrier's Conscious Combat Club for additional resources and online classes.
Conclusion:This episode serves as an inspiring reminder of the transformative power of creative and embodied practices in therapy. George Capone's work exemplifies how integrating movement, play, and community can foster resilience and empowerment in individuals seeking to find their inner warrior.
Call to Action: If you're interested in exploring boxing as a well-being activity or want to learn more about George's workshops, visit the Warrior Women Project (UK) website or consider attending one of their upcoming events.
About — Warrior Women Project
www.warriorwomenproject.uk
44 min
December 25, 2024Katy Gardner & Susanna Graham-Jones (audio); Developing socially engaged healthcare in Liverpool 8.
summaryThe conversation explores the experiences of Katy Gardner and Susanna Graham-Jones and their colleagues at the Princes Park Health Centre, focusing on their commitment to providing healthcare in a deprived inner-city area of Liverpool. They discuss their personal journeys into medicine, the visionary leadership of Cyril Taylor, the challenges faced in inner-city medicine, and the importance of community engagement in addressing health inequalities. The conversation also highlights the evolution of general practice, the dynamics of teamwork, and the historical context of the NHS, emphasizing the role of nurses and the need for a holistic approach to patient care. This conversation explores the evolution of healthcare practices, focusing on the empowerment of team members, innovative patient care approaches, and the challenges faced within the NHS. They share their experiences in establishing clinics, navigating healthcare reforms, and the importance of supervision and support in maintaining resilience amidst systemic changes.
Read their book, A Radical Practice in Liverpool. https://writingonthewall.org.uk/shop/a-radical-practice-in-liverpool-the-rise-fall-and-rise-of-princes-park-health-centre/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Radical-Practice-Liverpool-Princes-Health-ebook/dp/B095J3YWST
takeaways
Working in inner-city medicine is both challenging and rewarding.
Community engagement is essential in addressing health inequalities.
Cyril Taylor's vision transformed general practice in Liverpool.
The emotional burden of patients significantly impacts their health.
Team dynamics play a crucial role in effective healthcare delivery.
Historical context is vital to understanding modern healthcare systems.
Holistic approaches are necessary for effective patient care.
The practice became a leader in innovative healthcare solutions.
Listening to patients is key to providing quality care.
Nurses play an essential role in the evolution of general practice. Cyril's vision fostered team member initiatives.
Encouragement led to the establishment of innovative clinics.
The importance of preventive health measures was emphasized.
Team autonomy was crucial for effective patient care.
Changes in the NHS impacted the delivery of services.
Supervision and support are vital for healthcare professionals.
Community engagement through arts was a unique approach.
Research initiatives were facilitated by supportive management.
Legacy projects continue to influence current practices.
Optimism and camaraderie are essential in challenging times.
1 hr 5 min
December 25, 2024Dr Katy Gardner & Dr Susanna Graham-Jones (video); Developing social engaged healthcare in Liverpool 8
summaryThe conversation explores the experiences of Katy Gardner and Susanna Graham-Jones and their colleagues at the Princes Park Health Centre, focusing on their commitment to providing healthcare in a deprived inner-city area of Liverpool. They discuss their personal journeys into medicine, the visionary leadership of Cyril Taylor, the challenges faced in inner-city medicine, and the importance of community engagement in addressing health inequalities. The conversation also highlights the evolution of general practice, the dynamics of teamwork, and the historical context of the NHS, emphasizing the role of nurses and the need for a holistic approach to patient care. This conversation explores the evolution of healthcare practices, focusing on the empowerment of team members, innovative patient care approaches, and the challenges faced within the NHS. They share their experiences in establishing clinics, navigating healthcare reforms, and the importance of supervision and support in maintaining resilience amidst systemic changes.
Read their book, A Radical Practice in Liverpool. https://writingonthewall.org.uk/shop/a-radical-practice-in-liverpool-the-rise-fall-and-rise-of-princes-park-health-centre/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Radical-Practice-Liverpool-Princes-Health-ebook/dp/B095J3YWST
takeaways
Working in inner-city medicine is both challenging and rewarding.
Community engagement is essential in addressing health inequalities.
Cyril Taylor's vision transformed general practice in Liverpool.
The emotional burden of patients significantly impacts their health.
Team dynamics play a crucial role in effective healthcare delivery.
Historical context is vital to understanding modern healthcare systems.
Holistic approaches are necessary for effective patient care.
The practice became a leader in innovative healthcare solutions.
Listening to patients is key to providing quality care.
Nurses play an essential role in the evolution of general practice. Cyril's vision fostered team member initiatives.
Encouragement led to the establishment of innovative clinics.
The importance of preventive health measures was emphasized.
Team autonomy was crucial for effective patient care.
Changes in the NHS impacted the delivery of services.
Supervision and support are vital for healthcare professionals.
Community engagement through arts was a unique approach.
Research initiatives were facilitated by supportive management.
Legacy projects continue to influence current practices.
Optimism and camaraderie are essential in challenging times.
1 hr 5 min
December 18, 2024Dr Marianne Trent (video); Navigating the World of Therapy: Insights from Dr. Marianne Trent
summaryIn this conversation, Dr. Marianne Trent, a clinical psychologist, discusses her journey in the field of psychology, the importance of finding qualified therapists, and the risks associated with unregulated therapy practices. She emphasizes the need for professional regulation in psychology to ensure patient safety and the significance of extensive training and experience in becoming a competent therapist. The discussion also touches on the challenges of podcasting and the commitment required to produce quality content. Marianne discusses the journey to becoming a practitioner psychologist, the differences between various mental health professionals, and the importance of understanding regulatory bodies. She emphasizes the need for aspiring psychologists to ask the right questions when seeking therapy and highlights the significance of neurodiversity in mental health. Additionally, she shares insights from her podcast, 'The Aspiring Psychologist,' and offers advice for those pursuing a career in psychology, stressing the importance of self-care and not rushing the process.
https://www.goodthinkingpsychology.co.uk/
takeaways
Dr. Marianne Trent is a clinical psychologist with extensive experience.
Finding the right therapist is crucial for mental health.
Unregulated therapists can pose significant risks to clients.
Professional regulation is essential for ensuring safe therapy practices.
A psychology degree alone does not prepare one for clinical practice.
Experience and training are vital in the field of psychology.
The podcasting process involves careful editing and planning.
Mental health awareness is critical in today's society.
Therapists should be questioned about their qualifications.
Continuous professional development is important for psychologists. The journey to becoming a psychologist involves rigorous assessments and support from supervisors.
Understanding the differences between psychiatrists, psychologists, and psychotherapists is crucial for therapy seekers.
Clients should feel empowered to ask questions about their therapists' qualifications and experiences.
Regulatory bodies like the HCPC ensure the standards of practice for psychologists in the UK.
The podcast aims to support aspiring psychologists by sharing experiences and insights from qualified professionals.
Neurodiversity in mental health can enhance the therapeutic process and improve client engagement.
Self-care and personal well-being are essential for those in the mental health field.
It's important to recognize that career paths in psychology can vary greatly and are not a race.
The podcast features discussions on various mental health topics, including complex trauma and parenting.
Ethical considerations in unpaid positions in psychology highlight the need for fair practices.
48 min

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