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In this episode, Kevin and Peter welcomes back Phil Lowry to discuss his experiences at the Moab 240 ultra marathon. They delve into the challenges of weather conditions, the importance of gear, and the mental aspects of ultra running, including sleep management and hallucinations. Phil reflects on aging in the sport and shares his future race goals, including the Triple Crown and Cocodona. The conversation highlights the camaraderie and shared struggles of ultra runners, emphasizing that everyone faces their own challenges during these grueling races.