In this Wicked Smart Master’s Class, I sit down with Joe Jensen—a thrill-seeker turned real estate investor who scaled from 5 to 34 units in less than two years. Joe’s story takes us from growing up on a rural ranch in Utah, to a decade in door-to-door sales, to building a diverse real estate portfolio that gave him the freedom to raise his kids and live life on his terms.

Joe shares how divorce reshaped his mindset, why leveraging debt safely was a game-changer, and how he used multiple creative strategies such as seller financing, subject-to deals, partnerships, and even buying dirt lots to hit his freedom number within one year. 

Whether you’re new to investing or looking to pivot, Joe’s journey is packed with practical insights, mindset shifts, and a reminder that clarity of goals is everything.

Key Talking Points of the Episode

00:00 Introduction

01:03 Who is Joe Jensen?

02:13 Podcasts: Real Estate Investing School & Not So Average Joe

02:51 Growing up on a ranch in rural Utah & lessons in hard work

04:20 First sales jobs: roofing, waiting tables, and a church mission that taught grit

06:01 Getting into real estate through an FHA townhome & rental properties

07:11 The turning point: divorce, two kids, and a year to figure out real estate

08:12 Breaking old beliefs about debt and learning the power of leverage

09:56 Using multiple strategies: seller finance, subject-to, cash buys, partnerships

12:38 Why he experimented with every asset class to “teach what he did”

13:14 Dirt lots: renting land to RV/mobile homeowners for passive income

15:11 The importance of defining your goals, timeframe, and resources

19:26 Perspective is Power: Leveraging life challenges instead of excuses

21:36 Breaking out of the “safe bubble” and taking more risks after the divorce

23:17 Thrill-seeking adventures: cliff swings, triathlons, and making play a priority

26:25 Advice to W-2 employees: the importance of a clear plan and timeframes

28:28 How to get in touch with Joe

29:21 Current plan: simplifying the portfolio, buying quality assets, and future multifamily

31:05 The power of clarity and community

Quotables

“Blame is the enemy of progress. Ownership is the fuel for momentum.”

“Debt felt like the devil growing up but once I understood leverage, it became the game-changer.”

“You don’t get rich off cash flow, you get freedom. You get rich off equity growth.”

Links

Joe Jensen

https://linktr.ee/josephfjensen

Real Estate Investing School Podcast

https://open.spotify.com/show/6X10Xeascsh6LIWzGdDlht

The Not So Average Joe Podcast

https://open.spotify.com/show/2WR4MqlTXJa1p2AlFbiSdo

QLS Live

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/qlspodcast

QLS 4.0

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/qls4.0podcast

Apprentice Program

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/apprenticepodcast

In the Trenches Bootcamp

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/ittbpodcast

3 Paydays Virtual Event

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/3paydayspodcast

Masterclass ($297)

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/webinarpodcast

Masterclass (Apprentice)

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/masterspodcast

Wicked Smart Books

http://wickedsmartbooks.com/podcast

Strategy Session

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/actionpodcast

REI Blackbook

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/reibb-dd

7 Figures Funding

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/7figures-pod

Landvoice

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/landvoice-pod

In this Wicked Smart Master’s Class, I sit down once again with Adam Carroll—internationally recognized financial literacy expert, best-selling author, TEDx speaker, and creator of The Shred Method.

Adam has been a repeat guest on our podcast because every time he joins us, he brings fresh strategies and insights that help our community accelerate their journey to financial freedom. In this episode, Adam shares the foundation of his 10-Year Freedom Plan, how The Shred Method helps people pay off mortgages and debt faster than they ever thought possible, and why mastering liquidity and cash flow makes the leap from employee to entrepreneur less risky and more rewarding.

Whether you’re preparing to leave a job, scaling your investing business, or just looking to get ahead financially, this episode will give you practical, proven steps to take control of your money and create lasting wealth.

Key Talking Points of the Episode

00:00 Introduction

01:07 Who is Adam Carroll?

03:06 The Shred Method: The purpose behind it and what’s new

05:37 How Shred reduces monthly mortgage payments without refinancing

06:47 Overcoming undercapitalization through The Shred Method

07:35 The role of coaching, mentors, and masterminds in accelerating success

10:23 Stacking skills and knowledge for exponential growth

14:04 Overcoming status quo bias and pushing past excuses

15:03 The cave you fear to enter holds the answers you seek

17:59 Learn more about The Shred Method

18:14 Uncertainty in the economy = opportunity for prepared investors

19:30 Combining Smart Real Estate strategies with Shred for maximum results

Quotables

“The number one thing that will kill a business is being undercapitalized.”

“When you invest heavily in coaching and mentorship, your income expands tremendously.”

“Uncertainty breeds opportunity for the people who are prepared.”

Links

The Shred Method

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/shredmethod

QLS Live

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/qlspodcast

Real Estate On Your Terms and Deal Structure Overtime

https://wickedsmartbooks.com/podcast

FREE Master’s Class

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/masterspodcast

FREE Strategy Session with Chris Pre

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/actionpodcast

QLS 4.0

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/qlspodcast

Investor Resources

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/resources

Apprentice Program

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/apprentice-pod

In the Trenches Bootcamp

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/ittb-pod

3 Paydays Virtual Event

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/3paydayspodcast

REI Blackbook

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/REIBB-pod

7 Figures Funding

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/7figures-pod

Land Voice

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/landvoice-pod

Propsperity

https://propsperity.io

In this episode, I’m joined by Shaun Farr, President of Landvoice, a leading real estate technology and data firm that’s been helping investors and agents find profitable off-market deals since 1991.

Shaun shares exactly how Landvoice sources its unique lists that include pre-foreclosures, for-sale-by-owners, expired listings, and a brand-new distressed properties dataset—and why these tools give you an edge in today’s competitive market. We also dig into compliance, targeting strategies, and how combining great data with creative deal structuring can create win-win solutions for sellers and investors alike.

Whether you’re looking for your first deal or adding to an already robust portfolio, this conversation will open your eyes to data-driven ways to find opportunities other investors don’t even know exist.

Key Talking Points of the Episode

00:00 Introduction

01:28 What is LandVoice?

03:07 Specializing in off-market data for real estate investors

06:12 Pre-foreclosure and REO data: how Landvoice blends multiple sources for accuracy

08:04 Expired listings and why agents love partnering with investors

09:01 Neighborhood search tool for hyper-targeted prospecting

10:15 The new Distressed Property list: 4 levels of motivation before foreclosure

12:09 How distressed data + creative deal structuring creates win-wins

14:08 New tools coming to LandVoice in October

15:01 Join QLS Live in October!

Quotables

“We’re blending the biggest foreclosure sources to eliminate blind spots. You won’t find a better file in the country.”

“The distressed list gets you in front of homeowners before the foreclosure competition shows up.”

“Expired listings are gold because you’re negotiating directly with the homeowner, not through a licensed agent.”

Links

QLS Live

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/qlspodcast

Real Estate On Your Terms and Deal Structure Overtime

https://wickedsmartbooks.com/podcast

FREE Master’s Class

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/masterspodcast

FREE Strategy Session with Chris Pre

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/actionpodcast

QLS 4.0

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/qlspodcast

Investor Resources

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/resources

Apprentice Program

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/apprentice-pod

In the Trenches Bootcamp

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/ittb-pod

3 Paydays Virtual Event

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/3paydayspodcast

REI Blackbook

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/REIBB-pod

7 Figures Funding

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/7figures-pod

Land Voice

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/landvoice-pod

Propsperity

https://propsperity.io

In this Wicked Smart Master’s Class, I sit down with Jason Abell—speaker, coach, and co-founder of Rewire, to talk about what it really takes to make a sustainable transition from W-2 life to entrepreneurial freedom. Jason spent over two decades in the mortgage industry before answering the deeper calling to help others grow through mindset transformation.

We unpack the difference between skillset and mindset coaching, why emotional intelligence is the most underrated leadership tool, and how you can start preparing now to make your next leap, whether it’s quitting your job, scaling your business, or improving your personal life.

If you’ve ever felt “ready to be ready,” this episode will challenge you to take action today and get your inner house in order.

Key Talking Points of the Episode

00:00 Introduction

01:45 The voice inside: wanting to do for others what early mentors did for him

04:59 The reality of leaving your W-2 for entrepreneurship

05:48 The importance of running your life like a business and having options

08:07 “Start now”: practical steps for building your financial runway before making a leap

09:53 The power of coaching: why telling someone your goals brings them to life

12:02 How community and accountability will help you achieve your goals

15:42 Why readiness is the real secret to success

18:08 Emotional intelligence, mindset mastery, and how Rewire helps leaders think differently

21:19 Iceberg model: why you must go below the surface to create lasting change

23:34 Final reflections, Smart Real Estate Coach bootcamp info, and upcoming live events

Quotables

“We can’t do anything about yesterday—but we can start now.”

“Telling someone your goal changes everything. Even if it’s just your partner or friend, that accountability is powerful.”

“Results are the tip of the iceberg. If you want to change those, you have to go underwater to work on your thoughts and emotions.”

Links

Rewire

https://www.rewireinc.com/

Jason Abell

https://www.instagram.com/rewirejason

QLS Live

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/qlspodcast

Real Estate On Your Terms and Deal Structure Overtime

https://wickedsmartbooks.com/podcast

FREE Master’s Class

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/masterspodcast

FREE Strategy Session with Chris Pre

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/actionpodcast

QLS 4.0

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/qlspodcast

Investor Resources

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/resources

Apprentice Program

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/apprentice-pod

In the Trenches Bootcamp

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/ittb-pod

3 Paydays Virtual Event

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/3paydayspodcast

REI Blackbook

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/REIBB-pod

7 Figures Funding

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/7figures-pod

Land Voice

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/landvoice-pod

Propsperity

https://propsperity.io

In this episode, I sit down with real estate investor and entrepreneur Rob Chavez, CEO of Caza Group and founder of the GRID Investor Network. Rob’s built a vertically integrated real estate business spanning sales, construction, private lending, investments, and property management—and he didn’t do it by doing everything himself.

Rob walks us through his transition from solopreneur to CEO, the hard lessons he learned chasing too many rabbits at once, and how letting go of control ultimately 10x’d his income. 

Whether you’re just starting out or you’re an experienced investor stuck on the transaction treadmill, this conversation is packed with actionable insight to help you scale, leverage, and build wealth for the long haul.

Key Talking Points of the Episode

00:00 Introduction

01:11 Meet Rob Chavez: Caza Group, GRID Investor Network, and a mission to build wealth through real estate

02:40 Life as a D1 athlete, psych major, and the power of proximity to a mentor

06:03 Working 4:30 AM to 9 PM: Lessons from a serial entrepreneur who modeled success

10:00 Learning to utilize the power of leveraging to streamline and scale the business

13:02 Rob’s operating system B.O.S.S. and the 7 Levels of Freedom

17:05 Helping entrepreneurs evolve from self-employed to business owner

20:00 Overcoming burnout, broken marriages, and bottleneck thinking as a solopreneur

21:25 Why scaling takes 2–3 years and what most people get wrong

24:01 Mastering money math, building leverage, and hiring right

28:05 The importance of inventory stacking, strategy shifts, and recession lessons

30:26 You’re one relationship away from your next breakthrough

Quotables

“Solopreneurs are often stuck in this idea that nobody can do it better than them. That’s false.”

“Everything you want in life is usually one relationship away.”

“It takes 2 to 3 years to really build a scalable business model—don’t quit 18 months in.”

Links

The Income Flip Podcast

https://www.gridinvestor.com/podcast

GRID Investor Network

https://www.gridinvestor.com/

Rob Chevez

https://www.instagram.com/robchevez

QLS Live

https://qlslive.com

Real Estate On Your Terms and Deal Structure Overtime

https://wickedsmartbooks.com/podcast

FREE Master’s Class

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/masterspodcast

FREE Strategy Session with Chris Pre

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/actionpodcast

QLS 4.0

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/qlspodcast

Investor Resources

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/resources

Apprentice Program

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/apprentice-pod

In the Trenches Bootcamp

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/ittb-pod

3 Paydays Virtual Event

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/3paydayspodcast

REI Blackbook

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/REIBB-pod

7 Figures Funding

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/7figures-pod

Land Voice

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/landvoice-pod

Propsperity

https://propsperity.io

In this episode, we’re sitting down with Jason Wojo, CEO and owner of Lifeonaire, to explore how real estate investors and entrepreneurs can build businesses that truly support the lifestyle they want—not enslave them. From earning a PhD to leaving science for flipping houses, Jason’s journey is anything but ordinary. He shares how he transitioned from rehabbing homes to coaching others on creating vision-driven businesses that don’t sacrifice life in the name of success.

You’ll hear Jason’s biggest mistakes, lessons from $90K in credit card debt, and why “grind culture” is not the path to freedom. Whether you’re just getting started or leveling up, this conversation will push you to rethink what wealth really means, how you spend your time, and how to build a business that supports—not sabotages—the life you actually want.

Key Talking Points of the Episode

00:00 Introduction

01:57 Jason’s backstory: From scientist to entrepreneur

04:07 How Jason got into real estate investing

05:41 The real estate trap: Early success, then burnout

06:29 From member to coach to CEO in Lifeonaire

07:11 Jason’s journey in real estate: Rehabbing, wholesaling, new construction, lending

08:01 The impact of having mentors throughout your career

10:39 How to overcome the fear of speaking to people about your deals

15:00 3 mistakes that nearly derailed Jason’s business

17:39 What Lifeonaire actually does and how it helps entrepreneurs

20:02 The danger of shiny object syndrome in real estate

22:17 The power of believing in delayed gratification

23:44 Why success takes years and not just months

25:00 You can have both the life and the business

Quotables

“Success is a crock pot business, not a microwave one.”

“You can absolutely have the life you want and the business you want at the same time.”

“I was making it all about me and that’s why I was scared to speak. But if you know you can help someone, it’s selfish not to speak up.”

Links

Jason Wojo

[email protected]

Lifeonaire

https://lifeonaire.com/

Smart Real Estate Coach Resources

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/getgoing

QLS Live

https://qlslive.com

Real Estate On Your Terms and Deal Structure Overtime

https://wickedsmartbooks.com/podcast

FREE Master’s Class

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/masterspodcast

FREE Strategy Session with Chris Pre

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/actionpodcast

QLS 4.0

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/qlspodcast

Investor Resources

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/resources

Apprentice Program

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/apprentice-pod

In the Trenches Bootcamp

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/ittb-pod

3 Paydays Virtual Event

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/3paydayspodcast

REI Blackbook

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/REIBB-pod

7 Figures Funding

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/7figures-pod

Land Voice

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/landvoice-pod

Welcome to another FamilyCast episode! Today, we’re sitting down with Steve Kinsley and Chuck Bingham, two associates in the Smart Real Estate Coach community who’ve teamed up to build their real estate business using creative financing strategies. Steve and Chuck share their journeys from ministry and design careers into the real estate investing world, and how they’re leveraging subject-to deals and lease purchases to generate cash flow while helping people in tough situations.

They also break down the details of their first deal together, how they structure their partnership roles, and why community support and accountability have been critical to their early success. 

If you’re curious about how to start in creative financing or why support, structure, and service matter—this episode delivers a roadmap and a ton of real talk.

Key Talking Points of the Episode

00:00 Introduction 01:23 Meet Steve and Chuck: life before real estate and the reasons that drove them in 04:18 First deal in New Orleans: 11 people on the deed 06:59 Joining the Wicked Smart community and attending the In the Trenches Bootcamp 08:43 How seeing real deals helps with confidence and going all in 10:05 Why resilience and support are key in this business 11:33 Support from coaches in the Wicked Smart Community 15:56 Smart Real Estate Coach Apprentice Program, In the Trenches Bootcamp 16:50 Deal Breakdown: Expired listing → subject-to → $47K in 3 paydays 20:36 The buyer vetting process and working with mortgage professionals 24:12 The power of being around like-minded investors

Quotables

“We knew we needed income outside a W-2. When I found the Wicked Smart community, it just clicked.”

“You’ve got to have resilience to be in this business. But once you get the momentum, the potential is massive.”

“It’s not theory here. It’s practice. And the support between coaches and community is second to none.”

Links

QLS Live

https://qlslive.com

Real Estate On Your Terms and Deal Structure Overtime

https://wickedsmartbooks.com/podcast

FREE Master’s Class

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/masterspodcast

FREE Strategy Session with Chris Pre

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/actionpodcast

QLS 4.0

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/qlspodcast

Investor Resources

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/resources

Apprentice Program

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/apprentice-pod

In the Trenches Bootcamp

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/ittb-pod

3 Paydays Virtual Event

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/3paydayspodcast

REI Blackbook

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/REIBB-pod

7 Figures Funding

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/7figures-pod

Land Voice

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/landvoice-pod

In this week’s Wicked Smart Master’s Class, we welcome Deidre Quinn, 22-year real estate veteran and founder of The Deidre Quinn Team at eXp Realty. Deidre is more than just a top-producing agent—she’s a forward-thinking entrepreneur, podcast host, media contributor, and coach who thrives on building relationships, amplifying her voice through content, and staying ahead of industry trends.

In this conversation, Deidre shares her journey through market shifts, technological disruption, and personal reinvention. From building a referral-based team culture to launching her Pending & Trending podcast and appearing on HGTV’s American Dream, she reveals what it takes to grow with integrity, pivot with purpose, and stay passionate about your work after two decades in the business.

Key Talking Points of the Episode

00:00 Introduction

01:16 Who is Deidre Quinn?

03:08 How real estate has evolved: From fax machines to AI

05:01 The impact of AI on coaching and client expectations

08:23 Market downturns, pivots, and staying relevant

09:09 Coaching, learning, and delegation in real estate

11:13 Building a referral-based business and expanding reach

15:24 Launching the Pending & Trending podcast and the power of platforms

17:58 Why Deidre never “sells” and how her business thrives on relationship-first principles

18:56 Taking part in HGTV’s American Dream to highlight Philadelphia

21:23 Operating in the Greater Philadelphia area and expanding to the Poconos market

23:21 How you can get in touch with Deidre and her team

24:06 Lead with value, stay adaptable, and prioritize the client

Quotables

“If you don’t pivot, your time in the industry is going to be really short.”

“People always need a place to live. And if you’re good at what you do, they’ll always need your help.”

“You can’t just stay the same and expect everything to stay the same around you.”

Links

The Deidre Quinn Team

https://www.deidrequinn.com/

https://www.facebook.com/DeidreQuinnTeam

https://www.instagram.com/teamquinnstagram

QLS Live

https://qlslive.com

Real Estate On Your Terms and Deal Structure Overtime

https://wickedsmartbooks.com/podcast

FREE Master’s Class

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/masterspodcast

FREE Strategy Session with Chris Pre

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/actionpodcast

QLS 4.0

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/qlspodcast

Investor Resources

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/resources

Apprentice Program

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/apprentice-pod

In the Trenches Bootcamp

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/ittb-pod

3 Paydays Virtual Event

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/3paydayspodcast

REI Blackbook

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/REIBB-pod

7 Figures Funding

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/7figures-pod

Land Voice

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/landvoice-pod

In this episode, we’re sitting down with Rick Marotto, a High 6 Associate in the Wicked Smart Community, who shares his incredible journey from healthcare professional to real estate investor. Rick and his wife Linda initially ventured into house flipping as a means to secure their retirement, only to face roadblocks, setbacks, and disappointing coaching. But their story didn’t end there.

After a rough start in traditional real estate, Rick discovered the Smart Real Estate Coach community and completely transformed his approach. In this episode, he shares how the “in-the-trenches” support, bootcamps, and clear planning helped him confidently close creative deals and generate three-payday profits—all while helping buyers get back on their feet. 

If you’re looking to ditch the W-2 and replace it with a step-by-step investing strategy, Rick’s story is packed with insight and encouragement.

Key Talking Points of the Episode

00:00 Introduction 03:24 Rick’s story: from the medical field to real estate investing05:10 Bootcamp experience and a boost in confidence 07:27 Real-time coaching, dials, and how practice built belief 09:00 Managing full-time jobs while launching a real estate business 10:14 Setting a retirement plan vs. just a goal 14:42 Rick’s first creative deal and how it helped a buyer reclaim his family 18:51 How Rick’s 2nd deal turned a seller’s problem into a sub-to success 20:33 Defining terms in creative real estate: VA, AO, resetting the clock 24:06 Buyers vs. Sellers: Which is harder to find? 25:37 Why bootcamps and QLS Live are game-changers

Quotables

“We were working full-time, trying to get the flipping business off the ground. It just wasn’t sustainable.”

“After the bootcamp, I started making dials and I could hear myself differently. The confidence boost was huge.”

“Creative real estate creates a win-win-win. The buyer wins, the seller wins, and we win.”

Links

QLS Live

https://qlslive.com

Real Estate On Your Terms and Deal Structure Overtime

https://wickedsmartbooks.com/podcast

FREE Master’s Class

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/masterspodcast

FREE Strategy Session with Chris Pre

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/actionpodcast

QLS 4.0

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/qlspodcast

Investor Resources

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/resources

Apprentice Program

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/apprentice-pod

In the Trenches Bootcamp

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/ittb-pod

3 Paydays Virtual Event

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/3paydayspodcast

REI Blackbook

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/REIBB-pod

7 Figures Funding

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/7figures-pod

Land Voice

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/landvoice-pod

In this episode of the Smart Real Estate Coach Podcast, I’m joined by Tait Duryea, a seasoned airline pilot turned real estate investor and the founder of Turbine Capital. We explore how he’s helping fellow pilots and high-income professionals break free from the paycheck-to-paycheck grind by building generational wealth through alternative investments.

Tait unpacks why he launched a private equity firm tailored for pilots, how his team scouts high-quality operators across diverse asset classes, and the key mindsets and strategies investors need to thrive in today’s turbulent commercial real estate market. From multifamily syndications to water-rights-backed tiny home ventures, this is one conversation packed with eye-opening insights!

Key Talking Points of the Episode

[0:00] - Introducing Tait Duryea and the Passive Income Pilots podcast

[2:32] - Tait’s journey from aspiring entrepreneur to pilot and real estate investor

[5:18] - Why airline pilots need better financial strategies

[6:30] - Turbine Capital’s unique asset-agnostic approach

[7:43] - Exploring high-risk, high-reward ventures through Skunkworks

[10:23] - Mitosis Living: The Tesla of luxury tiny homes

[16:09] - Water rights, land, and asymmetric risk in alternative investments

[18:02] - Why diversification and passive investing matter more than ever

[19:27] - The harsh lessons from 2021–2022 commercial deals

[21:08] - How to vet syndications and think like a savvy LP

[23:13] - Asset allocation insights from Tiger 21

[24:51] - Turbine Capital’s personal approach to investor relationships

[25:23] - The ultimate goal: Freedom, not just money

Quotables

“Money is not the goal. Freedom is the goal. Money is just the tool to get there.”

“You can buy cash-producing assets first—and let your assets pay for the toys.”

“If this thing fails, we still own $12 million in water rights and a working factory.”

“Diversification is easy when you’re a limited partner—hard when you’re swinging hammers.”

“Never put all your eggs in one basket—especially not in a sub-3% cap rate deal.”

Links & Resources

Turbine Capital: https://www.turbinecap.com

Passive Income Pilots Podcast: https://passiveincomepilots.com/

QLS Live

https://qlslive.com

Real Estate On Your Terms and Deal Structure Overtime

https://wickedsmartbooks.com/podcast

FREE Master’s Class

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/masterspodcast

FREE Strategy Session with Chris Pre

http://smartrealestatecoach.com/actionpodcast

QLS 4.0

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/qlspodcast

Investor Resources

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/resources

Apprentice Program

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/apprentice-pod

In the Trenches Bootcamp

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/ittb-pod

3 Paydays Virtual Event

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/3paydayspodcast

REI Blackbook

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/REIBB-pod

7 Figures Funding

https://smartrealestatecoach.com/7figures-pod