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The steep stuff podcast delivers a fascinating glimpse into the minds of elite mountain runners in this special episode featuring the Bar Trail Mountain Race Elite Night panel. Host James Loriello brings listeners directly into the pre-race conversation with six accomplished athletes preparing to tackle one of Colorado Springs' most iconic trail races.

The episode opens with crucial safety information from El Paso County Search and Rescue, highlighting the unique challenges of the course, including the infamous Big Boulder section where traffic jams are inevitable. Their practical advice serves as a sobering reminder that even elite athletes must respect the mountain.

What follows is an intimate discussion with panelists Melissa Rogers, Wendy Roberts, Amanda Kozlowski, Benjamin Townsend, John Aziz, and Dean Abel. Each athlete shares their distinct running journey – from those who competed in high school to others who discovered their talent decades later. Their stories prove that elite performance can emerge at any age when passion and dedication align.

Particularly moving is John Aziz's experience balancing new fatherhood with elite competition. Just three weeks after his daughter's birth, he's toeing the line against Colorado's best mountain runners. Meanwhile, Benjamin Townsend provides a global perspective as he recounts racing across multiple continents on the Skyrunner World Series circuit.

The conversation takes unexpected turns as athletes reveal their preferences between climbing and descending, their favorite races worldwide, and even their non-running hobbies – from hacky sack to dog parenting. When asked about motivation, their answers range from supportive partners to the simple joy of experiencing nature without a phone in hand.

Whether you're preparing to race Bar Trail yourself or simply curious about what drives elite mountain runners, this episode offers candid insights into the physical challenges, mental strategies, and personal connections that make trail running such a rewarding pursuit. The camaraderie among these competitors reminds us that even at the highest levels, the trail running community remains supportive, genuine, and grounded in shared passion.

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Steve White brings a refreshing perspective to mountain sports as both the West Coast Race Director for the Cirque Series and an accomplished athlete in his own right. Through our conversation, Steve offers a glimpse behind the curtain of what it takes to create memorable race experiences while maintaining his personal connection to mountains and movement.

What sets Steve apart is his approach to adventure – less concerned with structure or external validation and more focused on inspiration and meaningful experiences. He describes finding running in his twenties not as a competitive pursuit but as a way to move his body and connect with nature. This philosophy has carried through to his current approach of pursuing what excites him rather than adhering to rigid training plans.

The highlight of our conversation revolves around an extraordinary human-powered adventure Steve undertook last summer. Linking three significant peaks – Gannet Peak, Granite Peak, and the Grand Teton – entirely by bike and foot, this journey exemplified the self-sufficient spirit he admires in mountain runners like Anton Krupicka and Kyle Richardson. Along the way, Steve experienced a rare face-to-face encounter with a wolverine, one of only three documented in the Wind River Range at that time – a moment of pure wilderness connection that transcended athletic achievement.

Throughout our discussion, Steve champions what he calls the "quiet crushers" – those who accomplish incredible feats without broadcasting them. In a social media age where adventures are often performed for an audience, his celebration of personal experience over external validation offers a compelling counterbalance to outdoor culture's sometimes relentless self-promotion.

Whether you're looking to understand the inner workings of mountain race directing, seeking inspiration for your next human-powered adventure, or simply wanting to reconnect with the pure joy of moving through mountains, Steve's story reminds us why we venture into wild places – not for recognition, but for the depth of experience and connection they provide.

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When Noah Williams crossed the finish line at Broken Arrow 46K in fourth place, beating dozens of elite international competitors, he knew something special had happened. "I felt almost out of body," he shares, describing that rare state where everything clicks perfectly into place. Just one week later, he stood on the podium at Italy's prestigious Lavaredo 80K.

This conversation takes us deep into the mind of one of America's most exciting mountain runners. From his Vermont roots to his current home in the thin air of Leadville, Colorado, Noah reveals how his winter as a ski patroller and dedicated skimo athlete built the foundation for his breakthrough performances. With remarkable candor, he explains how accumulating 20,000 feet of weekly vertical gain on skis translated directly into running power once the snow melted.

Noah offers a refreshing perspective on training philosophy, eschewing rigid workout structures for mountain-based efforts that keep him mentally engaged. "I try to focus on what really motivates me – interesting terrain and big climbs," he explains. This intuitive approach stands in contrast to conventional wisdom but has clearly yielded exceptional results.

The discussion expands beyond personal performance to tackle the current state of trail running culture. Noah doesn't hold back when addressing what he sees as an "ultra bias" in media coverage and sponsorship priorities. "Ultra running is not that competitive," he argues, pointing to the depth of fields in races like Broken Arrow compared to most hundred-mile events. His passionate advocacy for sub-ultra distances reflects a belief that the sport's future lies in developing athletes progressively rather than pushing them prematurely toward extreme distances.

Whether you're fascinated by elite training methods, curious about the intersection of skiing and running, or simply inspired by authentic mountain athletes, this conversation offers invaluable insights into what it takes to compete among the world's best. Join us for this riveting discussion with a trail runner whose star is clearly on the rise.

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The trail running world has a new star to watch, and she comes from an unexpected background. Rena Schwartz, fresh off her victory at the Mount Washington Road Race, joins the Steep Stuff Podcast to share the fascinating journey that took her from Nordic skiing champion at Dartmouth College to dominating some of America's most challenging mountain races.

What makes Reena's rapid rise in trail running so remarkable is how new she is to competitive racing. After graduating from Dartmouth in 2022 where she competed as an elite Nordic skier, Reena moved to Boulder and almost accidentally discovered her talent for mountain running. Within months, she stunned the trail community with a fifth-place finish at the US Mountain Running Championships at Sunapee Scramble before claiming victory at the iconic Mount Washington Road Race.

Throughout our conversation, Rena reveals how her extensive Nordic skiing background created the perfect foundation for mountain running success. The physiological adaptations, training approach, and mental toughness developed through years of elite skiing transferred seamlessly to the trails. "Most of [ski training] is honestly hiking," she explains. "Skiers, when they're going slow training, they're going slow training, and so you're hiking a lot. I think that's probably a huge part of the way I run today."

What truly sets Rena apart is her balanced perspective on athletic achievement. Currently pursuing a master's degree in social work, she views running as one component of a multifaceted life rather than her sole focus. As she navigates the possibilities of sponsorships and more competitive racing, she brings a refreshing mindset to a sport often defined by singular dedication. For anyone fascinated by athletic crossover potential, the science of endurance performance, or simply inspiring stories of unexpected excellence, Reena's journey offers valuable insights into what's possible when Nordic skiing precision meets mountain running passion.

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The mountain running world turns its attention to Palisades Tahoe this week for what promises to be an epic showdown at the Broken Arrow 46K. This isn't just any race – it's a Team USA selection event that has attracted virtually every elite mountain runner in the country, creating what might be the most competitive field ever assembled on American soil.

The race itself presents a formidable challenge: approximately 28 miles with a punishing 9,000 feet of vertical gain over two loops. Course record holder David Sinclair's time of roughly four hours could be under threat this year, with perfect weather conditions and extraordinary talent at the starting line. Unlike previous years where scorching heat played a factor, this year's forecast calls for cooler temperatures in the 60s, potentially setting the stage for blistering performances.

What makes this race particularly fascinating is the strategic complexity surrounding Team USA selection. Several favorites, including Eli and Tabor Hemming, have indicated they may decline team spots even if they qualify, preferring to focus on European races like OCC and CCC. This creates a dynamic where some athletes are racing purely for personal achievement while others see this as their golden opportunity to represent their country internationally. With limited spots available and such depth of talent, expect fierce competition down to the final descent.

The women's field features multiple former champions including Helen Mino Faulkner and Jennifer Lichter, with Grayson Murphy's potential participation looming large over the competition. On the men's side, Eli Hemming enters as the clear favorite after dominant performances this season, with Garrett Corcoran, David Norris, Brian Whitfield, and John Aziz among those battling for podium positions. For mountain running fans, Saturday's race represents a rare opportunity to witness America's best athletes pushing their limits on one of the sport's most challenging and prestigious courses.

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The trail running universe's spotlight turns to Squaw Valley as the Broken Arrow Sky Race earns its rightful place on the prestigious Golden Trail World Series. James Lauriello and Nick Tusa dive deep into this watershed moment for American mountain running, breaking down why this recognition has been long overdue and what makes this race so special.

The hosts explore the fascinating dynamics of the 23K course with its 4,500 feet of vertical gain over roughly 14.5 miles. They analyze the thoughtful race format that gives elite women their own separate start time—a progressive move that ensures clearer race dynamics and better visibility for women competitors.

Joyce Njeru enters with an unblemished record on American soil as defending champion in the women's field, while Anna Gibson, Allie McLaughlin, and Lauren Gregory lead a formidable American contingent fresh off impressive performances at recent races. The conversation highlights exciting up-and-comers like Courtney Coppinger, who's been turning heads with remarkable back-to-back victories.

On the men's side, Patrick Kipngeno returns to defend his title against El Hazine and Swiss mountain running legend Remy Bonet, who recently demonstrated exceptional uphill fitness in European competition. The hosts make compelling cases for American hopefuls Mason Coppi and Andy Wacker, both arriving in career-best form and poised to challenge the international stars.

The episode wraps with detailed predictions for both races, analyzing not just who might win, but the strategic battles likely to unfold across the challenging Broken Arrow terrain. Whether you're heading to Squaw Valley or following from afar, this preview provides everything you need to appreciate what promises to be one of the most competitive American trail races ever assembled.

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Welcome to a special preview of what might be the most competitive mountain race ever assembled on American soil. As the Broken Arrow Skyrace approaches, we're diving deep into the Ascent competition (formerly known as the VK) where the stakes couldn't be higher – the top four American men and women will earn spots on Team USA for the World Mountain Running Championships.

The star power in this year's field is simply astounding. Patrick Kipngeno returns to defend his title against an unexpected challenger – the legendary Killian Jornet, who's taking a detour from Western States preparation to test himself on American soil. Perhaps most exciting is the Broken Arrow debut of American mountain running GOAT Joe Gray, bringing decades of uphill expertise to a course that rewards pure running ability over hiking strength.

On the women's side, we're witnessing what could be the making of a historic rivalry. Kenya's Joyce Njeru, undefeated in American races, faces rising star Anna Gibson, whose trajectory suggests she might become one of the all-time greats in mountain running. Veterans like Ali McLaughlin mix with breakthrough talents like Allie Ostrander and Oakley Olsen to create a fascinatingly deep field.

We break down the modified course (3.61 miles with 2,840 feet of gain), analyze the key contenders, and make our predictions for both podium spots and Team USA qualification. The international talent is so strong that Americans might struggle to crack the top five, especially in the men's competition, making this one of the most compelling mountain races to watch this season.

Whether you're filling out your FanTrail fantasy picks or simply wanting to understand the significance of this incredible event, our detailed preview gives you everything you need to appreciate the epic battle that's about to unfold on the slopes of Palisades Tahoe.

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Sam Lewis brings a wealth of experience to the starting line of the Broken Arrow 46K, having represented Team USA three times internationally and competed in the 23K version of this iconic mountain race twice before. In this compelling conversation, she shares the meticulous preparation that has her feeling "in the best shape of my life" heading into one of the season's most competitive events.

Training from her temporary base in Boulder, Colorado has given Lewis the mountain-specific preparation needed for Broken Arrow's demanding terrain. Working with long-time coach Travis Fleck, she's compiled her highest-ever training volume while maintaining the physical health that's become the hallmark of their eight-year partnership. "He's always thinking about what I'm doing not just today, but five years from now," Lewis explains, highlighting the sustainable approach that's kept her performing at an elite level.

Lewis reveals her tactical approach to the challenging two-loop course, describing herself as a hunter who patiently waits to strike on the second loop. "I like to hunt down my prey," she says with understated confidence, drawing on lessons learned from aggressive European race starts that left her frustrated. This balanced strategy reflects both physical preparation and philosophical grounding—Lewis holds a PhD in philosophy of sport and embraces the ancient Greek concept of "arete" (pursuing personal excellence) rather than fixating on placements.

The conversation delves into equipment choices, including On's new Cloud Ultra Pro trail shoe that Lewis describes as "game-changing," nutrition strategies for mountain ultras, and the profound meaning she finds in representing her country. "Being on Team USA is one of the greatest honors of my life," she reflects, while maintaining perspective about the exceptional depth of American talent.

Most compelling are Lewis's insights on mental resilience, drawn from races like the 2023 Verbier Marathon where she battled severe stomach issues yet finished. "It's not if it's going to happen in these ultra races, it's when," she notes about inevitable low points. This hard-earned wisdom, combined with her physical preparation and measured approach, makes Lewis a formidable competitor at Broken Arrow and beyond as she looks toward OCC at UTMB later this summer.

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Denali Strabel returns to the Steep Stuff Podcast for a deeply personal conversation about her journey back to the Broken Arrow 46K Skyrace after a five-year hiatus. The Alaskan mountain runner opens up about the transformative path that led her here – through pregnancy, postpartum recovery, and the heartbreaking loss of her twin sister.

From the moment she arrived at the race venue, Denali's connection to this special place is palpable. Since 2008, she's been drawn to these mountains, first for college training camps and later with her sister when they craved elevation. Her 2019 race proved she could compete with the best "down in America," finishing fifth and feeling like her career was just beginning to soar. Then came pregnancy and the pandemic, dramatically altering her trajectory.

What emerges in this conversation is the portrait of an athlete reborn through challenge. "I wasn't fueling right," she admits about her pre-motherhood approach. The demands of breastfeeding while returning to training forced a revolution in her relationship with food: "I eat a lot and my body is strong." Working with coach David Roche, she's redefined success on her own terms, building back gradually from nerve damage and hormonal challenges through a quality-over-quantity approach.

While dreams of making Team USA flicker in her mind (especially poignant given one of her final conversations with her sister), Denali approaches this race with beautiful perspective. Her strategy reflects the wisdom gained through life's obstacles – patience on the first loop, then "catch the carnage, don't be the carnage" on the second. Most movingly, she carries her sister's ashes to spread on the mountain, merging her competitive ambitions with profound personal meaning.

Join us for this intimate look at motherhood, grief, comeback, and the enduring spirit that drives mountain runners back to the places that challenge and heal them. Follow Denali and the strong Alaskan contingent as they take on Broken Arrow and demonstrate what's possible when passion meets perspective.

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Meet Oakley Olson, a rising star in the trail running world who's breaking barriers between collegiate track and mountain racing. Fresh from her NCAA steeplechase season and now a Trail Team Elite selection for 2025, Oakley joins us just days before tackling both the Vertical Kilometer and 23K races at Broken Arrow Skyrace.

Oakley's story is remarkable – from showing up at her first trail camp in worn-out road shoes to finishing top-10 at the US Mountain Running Championships within months. Speaking from the Trail Team camp in Grand Lake, Colorado, she shares how this supportive community transformed her understanding of the sport. "I had no idea what Broken Arrow was, what a running vest was, or what trail running shoes were," she laughs, describing her bloody-legged introduction to mountain terrain just a year ago.

When the conversation turns to race strategy, Oakley reveals a mature approach beyond her experience level. Drawing from her NCAA racing background, she plans to start conservatively at Broken Arrow rather than getting caught in the frantic early pace. "I'd rather be the hunter than the hunted," she explains, a strategy that served her well at Snowbird last year against seasoned professionals.

Most powerful is Oakley's motivation – she runs for her two younger brothers who have Duchenne muscular dystrophy. Wearing a lime green ribbon on her shoes, she pushes through difficult moments by remembering their daily struggles. "When it got so hard, the only thing that got me through was thinking about my two younger brothers and how that's how they feel every day walking up a staircase," she shares with heartfelt emotion. Her family will be waiting at the aid station atop the Vertical Kilometer, making a potential Team USA qualification even more meaningful.

Listen now to this inspiring conversation with an athlete whose genuine passion, strategic intelligence, and heartfelt motivation are quickly making her one of trail running's most compelling figures. The future of American mountain running looks brighter with Oakley Olsen on the scene.

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