S9 E5 — There is a lot of conversation right now about the role of women and men in society. Whether we’re talking about the Jeffrey Epstein scandal or the viral essay "The Great Feminization" and all the commentary it sparked, it’s clear we’re in a cultural moment where we don’t quite know how to talk about men and women. Should we see men and women as interchangeable? What does equality look like when our bodies are not the same? Can we admit our neediness and maintain our dignity as women or as men? These are some of the questions I'm asking Leah Libresco Sargeant as we talk about her new book, The Dignity of Dependence.

00:00 The World is the Wrong Shape for Women
6:14 The Lie of Autonomy and How It Harms Everyone
21:09 Building a Just Society: Dismantling False Anthropology
22:52 Understanding Disability and Unemployment
25:43 Societal Examples of Dependent Communities
30:15 The Dignity of Dependence
32:51 Legacy of Care in Society
38:20 The Costs of Devaluing Vulnerability
41:14 Practices for Embracing Dependence

MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

• The Dignity of Dependence: A Feminist Manifesto by Leah Libresco Sargeant
• Sara Hendren’s What Can a Body Do
• Amy Julia’s interview with Sara Hendren: Who Belongs? Disability and the Built World with Sara Hendren

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ABOUT OUR GUEST:

Leah Libresco Sargeant is the author of several books, including The Dignity of Dependence. She runs the substack Other Feminisms, which focuses on how to advocate for women as women in a world that makes an idol of autonomy. She lives in Maryland and works in family policy in D.C.
Other Feminisms: https://www.otherfeminisms.com/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/leahlibresco

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