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- 11 The Systematic Investor Series – November 26th, 2018Welcome to The Systematic Investor series. It's a great privilege for me to invite you to a behind the scenes conversation between some of my favorite systematic investors namely Jerry Parker and Moritz Seibert. We get on a "call" each week to discuss the events that took place through the lens of a Systematic Investor and how the trading strategies we work with are reacting. It's a raw and honest exploration and we hope you will join and be part of...not least by sending us questions that we can discuss. Please send your questions to [email protected]Episode Summary0:00 - Intro1:30 - Weekly review26:50 - Top tweets35:50 - Question 1: Brian; How do you onboard clients?43:40 - Question 2: Mike; If you could only choose one word to describe the key benefit of TF what would it be/how would you describe TF in a minute or less?50:10 - Question 3: George; Since TF rules are known, why hire a manager (vs build my own TF strategy)?1:00:30 - Question 4: George; How should an investor select a specific TF manager?1:05:20- Question 5: George; Why hire an active TF manager with higher fees vs hiring a lower fee TF “beta” manager?1:09:30 - Question 6: Francois; Are there CTAs/HFs still using point and figure charts?1:13:00 - Performance recapSubscribe on:1 hr 17 min
- 11 The Systematic Investor Series – November 26th, 2018Welcome to The Systematic Investor series. It's a great privilege for me to invite you to a behind the scenes conversation between some of my favorite systematic investors namely Jerry Parker and Moritz Seibert. We get on a "call" each week to discuss the events that took place through the lens of a Systematic Investor and how the trading strategies we work with are reacting. It's a raw and honest exploration and we hope you will join and be part of...not least by sending us questions that we can discuss. Please send your questions to [email protected]Episode Summary0:00 - Intro1:30 - Weekly review26:50 - Top tweets35:50 - Question 1: Brian; How do you onboard clients?43:40 - Question 2: Mike; If you could only choose one word to describe the key benefit of TF what would it be/how would you describe TF in a minute or less?50:10 - Question 3: George; Since TF rules are known, why hire a manager (vs build my own TF strategy)?1:00:30 - Question 4: George; How should an investor select a specific TF manager?1:05:20- Question 5: George; Why hire an active TF manager with higher fees vs hiring a lower fee TF “beta” manager?1:09:30 - Question 6: Francois; Are there CTAs/HFs still using point and figure charts?1:13:00 - Performance recapSubscribe on:1 hr 17 min
- SI11: Why hire a manager when you can DIY your Trend Following?
Welcome to The Systematic Investor series. It’s a great privilege for me to invite you to a behind the scenes conversation between some of my favorite systematic investors namely Jerry Parker and Moritz Seibert. We get on a “call” each week to discuss the events that took place through the lens of a Systematic Investor and how the trading strategies we work with are reacting. It’s a raw and honest exploration and we hope you will join and be part of…not least by sending us questions that we can discuss.
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50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS - CLICK HERE
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Follow Niels on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTube or via the TTU website.
IT’s TRUE ? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.
And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfolio” here.
Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.
Send your questions to [email protected]
And please share this episode with a like-minded friend and leave an honest Rating & Review on iTunes or Spotify so more people can discover the podcast.
Episode TimeStamps:
00:00 – Intro
01:30 – Weekly review of performance
26:50 – Top tweets
35:50 – Question 1: Brian; How do you onboard clients?
43:40 – Question 2: Mike; If you could only choose one word to describe the key benefit of TF what would it be/how would you describe TF in a minute or less?
50:10 – Question 3: George; Since TF rules are known, why hire a manager (vs build my own TF strategy)?
01:00:30 – Question 4: George; How should an investor select a specific TF manager?
01:05:20- Question 5: George; Why hire an active TF manager with higher fees vs hiring a lower fee TF “beta” manager?
01:09:30 – Question 6: Francois; Are there CTAs/HFs still using point and figure charts?
01:13:00 – Benchmark performance update
Copyright © 2025 – CMC AG – All Rights Reserved
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PLUS: Whenever you're ready... here are 3 ways I can help you in your investment Journey:
1. eBooks that cover key topics that you need to know about
In my eBooks, I put together some key discoveries and things I have learnt during the more than 3 decades I have worked in the Trend Following industry, which I hope you will find useful. Click Here
2. Daily Trend Barometer and Market Score
One of the things I’m really proud of, is the fact that I have managed to published the Trend Barometer and Market Score each day for more than a decade...as these tools are really good at describing the environment for trend following managers as well as giving insights into the general positioning of a trend following strategy! Click Here
3. Other Resources that can help you
And if you are hungry for more useful resources from the trend following world...check out some precious resources that I have found over the years to be really valuable. Click Here
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1 hr 17 min - 109 Risk Mitigation Whilst Trading Exotic Markets with Doug Greenig of Florin Court Capital – 2of2"What is your edge? Why do you think you have it? Why do you think it will persist?" (Tweet)Moritz Seibert and I continue our conversation with Doug Greenig, talking about the many different ways risk can manifest in your firm, how best to minimize it, and why building a strong team is one of the most important elements in staying ahead in the trend following space. Listen in to learn the many benefits of getting into exotic markets, how to best manage your risk, and what all investors should be asking themselves to better their portfolio.Thanks for listening and please welcome our guest Doug Greenig.Subscribe on:In This Episode, You'll Learn:What makes the exotic market space so good to trade in right nowHow Doug knows there is still a lot of room left for trading in the exotic market spaceThe difficulties Doug has had in attracting investors to investing in exotic marketsWhy momentum should be your key signal when investing in exotic markets"When things break and start moving quickly, if you're trading momentum as opposed to other kinds of signals, you're very likely to be going in the right direction. Then, when the peak of the crisis occurs, that's when liquidity 'dries up'." (Tweet)The role cash equities play in Doug's portfolioWhy Doug has reservations in trading VIXThe different varieties of risk and how to minimize themThe importance of focusing on model risk"I don't want to spend a lot of my time having to worry about, or explaining our position in volatility, because the VIX can positively explode." (Tweet)Benefits of building and maintaining a good teamWhat questions investors should be asking themselvesConnect with Florin Court Capital:Visit the Website: Florin Court CapitalCall Florin Court Capital: +44 207-016-3473E-Mail Florin Court Capital: [email protected]Follow Doug Greenig on LinkedIn"The [exotic market] space has a fair bit of room to grow. The CTA space has about 300-350 billion in AUM, and we're talking about a number in the neighborhood of ten for the exotic markets." (Tweet)37 min
- 109 Risk Mitigation Whilst Trading Exotic Markets with Doug Greenig of Florin Court Capital – 2of2"What is your edge? Why do you think you have it? Why do you think it will persist?" (Tweet)Moritz Seibert and I continue our conversation with Doug Greenig, talking about the many different ways risk can manifest in your firm, how best to minimize it, and why building a strong team is one of the most important elements in staying ahead in the trend following space. Listen in to learn the many benefits of getting into exotic markets, how to best manage your risk, and what all investors should be asking themselves to better their portfolio.Thanks for listening and please welcome our guest Doug Greenig.Subscribe on:In This Episode, You'll Learn:What makes the exotic market space so good to trade in right nowHow Doug knows there is still a lot of room left for trading in the exotic market spaceThe difficulties Doug has had in attracting investors to investing in exotic marketsWhy momentum should be your key signal when investing in exotic markets"When things break and start moving quickly, if you're trading momentum as opposed to other kinds of signals, you're very likely to be going in the right direction. Then, when the peak of the crisis occurs, that's when liquidity 'dries up'." (Tweet)The role cash equities play in Doug's portfolioWhy Doug has reservations in trading VIXThe different varieties of risk and how to minimize themThe importance of focusing on model risk"I don't want to spend a lot of my time having to worry about, or explaining our position in volatility, because the VIX can positively explode." (Tweet)Benefits of building and maintaining a good teamWhat questions investors should be asking themselvesConnect with Florin Court Capital:Visit the Website: Florin Court CapitalCall Florin Court Capital: +44 207-016-3473E-Mail Florin Court Capital: [email protected]Follow Doug Greenig on LinkedIn"The [exotic market] space has a fair bit of room to grow. The CTA space has about 300-350 billion in AUM, and we're talking about a number in the neighborhood of ten for the exotic markets." (Tweet)Full TranscriptThe following is a full detailed transcript of this conversion. Click here to subscribe to our mailing list, and get full access to our library of downloadable eBook transcripts!NielsI read an article the other day, actually, about the AUM and funds that focus on exotic markets and your firm was definitely mentioned in that article. It talked about the total assets in those kinds of strategies having gone up from about a billion dollars, five years ago, to (they're estimating) seven billion today, I think was the number. Of course, I know that your firm has grown a lot as well. How do you view that development, and how big, as a space (not necessarily as a firm but as a space) can this become without too many people chasing the same exotic markets?DougI think that the space has a fair bit of room to grow. The CTA space has, I think, about three hundred to three hundred and fifty billion in AUM. We're talking about a number in the neighborhood of ten for the exotic markets. Some of the exotic markets are very big and deep markets. The Chinese commodity markets are huge, for example. Some of the interest rate markets are quite large as well. Some of the foreign exchange markets are pretty large.Now, one piece of evidence that it's not getting that crowded, just empirical evidence, is when we went to a one hundred percent exotics focus in April of 2017, before that we were about fifty percent exotic and fifty percent not. But, we said we're going to be a pure play exotic CTA - that was in April of 2017. From then to the end of September or even to now... I believe from April to the end of September we were up twenty-one percent when the CTA index was down...37 min
- TTU109: Risk Mitigation Whilst Trading Exotic Markets ft. Doug Greenig of Florin Court Capital – 2of2
Moritz Seibert and I continue our conversation with Doug Greenig, talking about the many different ways risk can manifest in your firm, how best to minimize it, and why building a strong team is one of the most important elements in staying ahead in the trend following space. Listen in to learn the many benefits of getting into exotic markets, how to best manage your risk, and what all investors should be asking themselves to better their portfolio.
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50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS - CLICK HERE
In This Episode, You’ll Learn:
- What makes the exotic market space so good to trade in right now
- How Doug knows there is still a lot of room left for trading in the exotic market space
- The difficulties Doug has had in attracting investors to investing in exotic markets
- Why momentum should be your key signal when investing in exotic markets
- The role cash equities play in Doug’s portfolio
- Why Doug has reservations in trading VIX
- The different varieties of risk and how to minimize them
- The importance of focusing on model risk
- Benefits of building and maintaining a good team
- What questions investors should be asking themselves
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Follow Doug Greenig on LinkedIn
Copyright © 2025 – CMC AG – All Rights Reserved
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PLUS: Whenever you're ready... here are 3 ways I can help you in your investment Journey:
1. eBooks that cover key topics that you need to know about
In my eBooks, I put together some key discoveries and things I have learnt during the more than 3 decades I have worked in the Trend Following industry, which I hope you will find useful. Click Here
2. Daily Trend Barometer and Market Score
One of the things I’m really proud of, is the fact that I have managed to published the Trend Barometer and Market Score each day for more than a decade...as these tools are really good at describing the environment for trend following managers as well as giving insights into the general positioning of a trend following strategy! Click Here
3. Other Resources that can help you
And if you are hungry for more useful resources from the trend following world...check out some precious resources that I have found over the years to be really valuable. Click Here
Privacy Policy
Disclaimer
37 min - 10 The Systematic Investor Series – November 17th, 2018Welcome to The Systematic Investor series. It's a great privilege for me to invite you to a behind the scenes conversation between some of my favorite systematic investors namely Jerry Parker and Moritz Seibert. We get on a "call" each week to discuss the events that took place through the lens of a Systematic Investor and how the trading strategies we work with are reacting. It's a raw and honest exploration and we hope you will join and be part of...not least by sending us questions that we can discuss. Please send your questions to [email protected]Episode Summary0:00 - Intro0:45 - Weekly review9:15 - Top tweets14:20 - Paper from Jim O'Shaughnessy from 198729:50 - Question 1: Andrew; How do you get the TF message across to advisors?39:40 - Question 2: George; Please discuss position sizing.39:40 - Question 3: George; Please discuss how far stops should be from entry (5%, etc.)39:40 - Question 4: George; Do you think the future is a hybrid of TF and discretionary?52:10 - Question 5; Francois; Long question about correlations57:15 - Performance recap58:00 - Additional discussions of systems tradingSubscribe on:1 hr 2 min
- 10 The Systematic Investor Series – November 17th, 2018Welcome to The Systematic Investor series. It's a great privilege for me to invite you to a behind the scenes conversation between some of my favorite systematic investors namely Jerry Parker and Moritz Seibert. We get on a "call" each week to discuss the events that took place through the lens of a Systematic Investor and how the trading strategies we work with are reacting. It's a raw and honest exploration and we hope you will join and be part of...not least by sending us questions that we can discuss. Please send your questions to [email protected]Episode Summary0:00 - Intro0:45 - Weekly review9:15 - Top tweets14:20 - Paper from Jim O'Shaughnessy from 198729:50 - Question 1: Andrew; How do you get the TF message across to advisors?39:40 - Question 2: George; Please discuss position sizing.39:40 - Question 3: George; Please discuss how far stops should be from entry (5%, etc.)39:40 - Question 4: George; Do you think the future is a hybrid of TF and discretionary?52:10 - Question 5; Francois; Long question about correlations57:15 - Performance recap58:00 - Additional discussions of systems tradingSubscribe on:1 hr 2 min
- SI10: How to set your Stop-Loss and Size your Positions?
Welcome to The Systematic Investor series. It’s a great privilege for me to invite you to a behind the scenes conversation between some of my favorite systematic investors namely Jerry Parker and Moritz Seibert. We get on a “call” each week to discuss the events that took place through the lens of a Systematic Investor and how the trading strategies we work with are reacting. It’s a raw and honest exploration and we hope you will join and be part of…not least by sending us questions that we can discuss.
-----
50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS - CLICK HERE
-----
Follow Niels on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTube or via the TTU website.
IT’s TRUE ? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.
And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfolio” here.
Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.
Send your questions to [email protected]
And please share this episode with a like-minded friend and leave an honest Rating & Review on iTunes or Spotify so more people can discover the podcast.
Episode TimeStamps:
00:00 – Intro
00:45 – Weekly review of performance
09:15 – Top tweets
14:20 – Paper from Jim O’Shaughnessy from 1987
29:50 – Question 1: Andrew; How do you get the TF message across to advisors?
39:40 – Question 2: George; Please discuss position sizing.
39:40 – Question 3: George; Please discuss how far stops should be from entry (5%, etc.)
39:40 – Question 4: George; Do you think the future is a hybrid of TF and discretionary?
52:10 – Question 5; Francois; Long question about correlations
57:15 – Benchmark performance update
58:00 – Additional discussions of systems trading
Copyright © 2025 – CMC AG – All Rights Reserved
----
PLUS: Whenever you're ready... here are 3 ways I can help you in your investment Journey:
1. eBooks that cover key topics that you need to know about
In my eBooks, I put together some key discoveries and things I have learnt during the more than 3 decades I have worked in the Trend Following industry, which I hope you will find useful. Click Here
2. Daily Trend Barometer and Market Score
One of the things I’m really proud of, is the fact that I have managed to published the Trend Barometer and Market Score each day for more than a decade...as these tools are really good at describing the environment for trend following managers as well as giving insights into the general positioning of a trend following strategy! Click Here
3. Other Resources that can help you
And if you are hungry for more useful resources from the trend following world...check out some precious resources that I have found over the years to be really valuable. Click Here
Privacy Policy
Disclaimer
1 hr 2 min - 108 Why Trade in Exotic Markets with Doug Greenig of Florin Court Capital – 1of2"My background really is in fixed income quant and macro and I have a pretty good grounding in discretionary trading, but I've been moving in a more systematic direction for a number of years." (Tweet)Today on Top Traders Unplugged, I'm joined by my cohost Moritz Seibert to speak with Doug Greenig, the Founder, CEO, and CIO at Florin Court Capital. Doug's early experiences in economics at Princeton and UC Berkeley helped kick off his career in finance, and his work at BARRA in Berkeley started his eventual dive into the CTA space. Trading in exotic markets has helped Doug and his firm capitalize on unique opportunities and fully utilize the systematic trading model. Listen in to today's episode to learn how Doug got started in systematic trading and exotic markets, how he built his team at Florin Court, and how he has utilized exotic markets to their fullest potential.Thanks for listening and please welcome our guest Doug Greenig.Subscribe on:In This Episode, You'll Learn:How Doug got started in financeWhy Doug got into the CTA spaceHow systematic trading intrigued Doug more than discretionary tradingThe inspiration behind the name Florin Court Capital"The discipline of following the models and following the process [in systematic trading] is invaluable." (Tweet)Who influenced Doug in his financial careerWhat Doug learned from working with Fischer Black (co-inventor of the Black-Scholes model)How Doug found such an experienced team in the early days of Florin Court CapitalThe exotic markets that Doug is trading"I try to learn from as many people as I can, and some people have a lot to offer." (Tweet)What makes these exotic markets easier, or better to tradeWhere to find the right balance of exotic versus traditional marketsWhat gives an asset more or less momentum, and why crypto is so special in this regardHow Doug selects his markets, and his long-term strategy for maintaining that collection"I would rather have real economic players with different motives on the other side, than to be facing off against other CTA's with slightly different frequencies and other systematic shops." (Tweet)Why Florin Court Capital has stayed out of trading spot cryptoHow to adapt the different markets to the standard modelsConnect with Florin Court Capital:Visit the Website: Florin Court CapitalCall Florin Court Capital: +44 207-016-3473E-Mail Florin Court Capital: [email protected]Follow Doug Greenig on LinkedIn"Systematic trading has a number of advantages over discretionary trading. It forces you to figure out ahead of time what you believe and what you're going to do in a given set of market circumstances." (Tweet)40 min
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Top Traders Unplugged is where the world’s best investors come to share how they think - not just what they trade.
Hosted by Niels Kaastrup-Larsen, the show goes deep into systematic trend following, global macro, and the principles that drive long-term success.
No forecasts. No fads. Just real conversations with hedge fund managers, economists, authors, and allocators - revealing the timeless ideas, mental models, and risk frameworks behind robust performance.
If you're building resilient portfolios, allocating capital, or simply looking to cut through the noise - this is your edge.
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