As a map of our interior world, the Enneagram is meant to bring about or enable spiritual transformation. But what does it look like when we are far enough down our path to see a difference? Our guest, actor/musician and Enneagram three Josh Radnor illustrates that vision today. Josh talks to Ian about growing in his compassion for himself and others, transforming from an unevolved three to an evolved three, recognizing the tension that plays out as a three with a four wing, and what spirituality looks like for him right now.

JOSH RADNOR, most famous for his role on the long-running hit sitcom HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER, also has an impressive body of dramatic work. Josh wrote, directed, and starred in Sundance feature hits LIBERAL ARTS and HAPPYTHANKYOUMOREPLEASE, and co-starred alongside Katheryn Hahn in Jill Soloway’s AFTERNOON DELIGHT, which also premiered at Sundance. Josh has also starred in numerous plays on Broadway. On television, he starred for two seasons on PBS's MERCY STREET and on NBC’s one-hour drama RISE. He is in a band with musician Ben Lee, called Radnor & Lee, and they just released their second album GOLDEN STATE. You can also see him alongside Al Pacino as the Nazi hunter Lonny Flash in Amazon's HUNTERS.

We're kicking off season 4 with a great episode! Today, Enneagram Four pop star Tori Kelly and former professional basketball player André Murillo join me to talk about how the Enneagram has impacted their relationship.  Right out of the gate the conversation goes deep into how the Enneagram fosters a better understanding of the needs of their friends and family, encourages them to respect each other’s strengths, and helps them navigate the different ways they each approach emotions.

Tori Kelly is an American singer, songwriter, actress, and record producer who first gained recognition after posting videos on YouTube as a teenager, and appeared as a semi-finalist on the ninth season of American Idol in 2010. Thereafter, she independently released her self-produced debut EP in 2012, Handmade Songs by Tori Kelly.

Since making her debut with 2015’s Unbreakable Smile, a widely acclaimed album that entered the Billboard 200 at No. 2, Tori has lit up the pop landscape with her breathtaking vocals and full-hearted songwriting.  Over the past year, she’s continued to captivate with her sophomore effort Hiding Place: a passion project whose R&B-tinged take on classic gospel won Best Gospel Album at the 2019 Grammy Awards.  And though Hiding Place marks a stylistic departure from Kelly’s work in the pop world, each song shows the steadfast commitment to uncompromising artistry that carries through her music.  

Her husband, André Murillo is a former German-American professional basketball player who was raised in Lake Forest, California. He started his basketball career at Hamburg Towers in the German Pro A Basketball League then played for the Sea View League MVP. He currently has a passion for writing and sharing his personal life experiences.

When I first heard an Improver wrote a book titled, The Lazy Genius Way, I had to get her on the show.  How on earth does an Enneagram One, who typically can’t stop working to perfect the world and relax, come to embrace laziness?

In today’s episode, author Kendra Adachi explains why it’s so important to be a genius about the things that matter, but to be lazy about things that don’t.  She also talks about the impact the Enneagram has had on growing in self-awareness, helping her recognize and find compassion for her inner critic, and adopting simple practices to help break out of the trap of her personality.  

What makes a great leader? We typically think of a strong leader as someone who knows where they are going and how to motivate others to get there.  But how do you effectively lead your team if you don’t have a clear vision of your future?

On this edition of Typology, Michael Hyatt explains what a Vision Driven Leader is and why a strategic vision is the most essential ingredient in leadership, not just in business but in all aspects of our lives.

Known for his New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestselling books advising leaders in the area of productivity and goal achievement, Michael is uniquely qualified with over 40 years of experience as an entrepreneur and executive to discuss the make-or-break factor in successful leadership: vision.

In this podcast, you’ll discover:

• What a vision script is and why it’s so important

• How an irresistible, clear vision can rally your team

• How to avoid distractions and focus on opportunities that connect with your vision

Listen to this great episode then make sure to grab your copy of The Vision Driven Leader: 10 Questions to Focus Your Efforts, Energize Your Team, and Scale Your Business.

This week I’m thrilled to welcome podcast goddess and Enneagram Five, Elizabeth Evans. Having previously wrestled with a scarcity mindset that kept her wrapped up in her mind, she shares her powerful story of how she flipped the script of her fear and stepped into a mindset that led her to become a successful, female business owner. 

An expert in storytelling, Elizabeth shares how she integrates the Enneagram into her business, opens up about how she manages her “go-to” fears, and explains how she taps into the superpowers that come with being an Enneagram Five.

Elizabeth is a podcast producer, economics fanatic and founder of Elizabeth Evans Co.  Her 360 boutique podcast studio helps creatives strategically build their show from conception to launch. Her uniquely created podcast methodology has helped world-renowned artists, best-selling authors, award-winning musicians, and impactful influencers to create transformative podcasts full of timeless, quality conversations that empower listeners into extraordinary action. 

For more information about Elizabeth Evans visit her website and don't forget to check out her recently launched Podcast Society.

How many teams do you belong to?  Personally, I am part of numerous teams. Be it my marriage, my friendships, my church, my AA group, or my business, I use the Enneagram with each of my teams to reduce conflict, improve communication, and promote cooperation. It’s an invaluable tool for building stronger teams.

In this episode, guests Tim and Beckie Farrant join me to talk about how they apply the Enneagram in business, in leadership, and in marriage.

Beckie is a wildly successful DIY blogger and top producer for DoTERRA Essential Oils.  Tim has over 20 years in pastoral ministry and is the author of “She’s Selling What?!”  Together, they walk us through the ways they support each other and their teams using the Enneagram.

The Enneagram provides nine consistent, fairly predictable ways for us to understand and tell our narrative of how we operate in the world and make sense of our lives. It’s a tool that helps us enter into a conversation with ourselves about the recurring themes and patterns of behaviors that are self-defeating or hurtful to others. One of the themes that operates as a thread in each of our lives is shame. Next to love, I believe shame is the most powerful force in the universe, but in the wrong direction.

In today’s profoundly moving, heart-changing episode, author and psychiatrist Dr. Curt Thompson joins me for a deep conversation about shame and how it plays out as a human experience for all nine types.

In this episode we cover:

• The definition of shame… what it does as opposed to what it is
• Ways shame manifests in each Enneagram type
• How we can begin to heal shame through community

About Curt Thompson, M.D.

Curt Thompson, M.D., is a psychiatrist in private practice in Falls Church, Virginia, and founder of Being Known, which develops teaching programs, seminars, and resource materials to help people explore the connection between interpersonal neurobiology and Christian spirituality which lead to genuine change and transformation. 

Dr. Thompson is the author of Anatomy of the Soul and The Soul of Shame: Retelling the Stories We Believe About Ourselves.

Thompson graduated from Wright State University School of Medicine and completed his psychiatric residency at Temple University Hospital. He is board certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology.

He and his wife, Phyllis, are the parents of two children and reside in Arlington, Virginia. He serves as an elder at Washington Community Fellowship in Washington, D.C.

Today, psychologist, author, and spiritual director Chuck Degroat joins me for a killer episode about the nine faces of narcissism.  And we’re not talking about people with full-blown narcissistic personality disorder per se. We’re talking about narcissism on a continuum and what it looks like when each Enneagram type is manifesting a narcissistic style or type. Each of us is somewhere on that narcissistic spectrum. 

In this episode you’ll learn:

• What narcissism actually is
• How narcissism shows up in all nine types, and
• What the healing path is for all nines types to keep narcissism in check.

Earlier this season, Molly Fletcher and I talked about her struggle to relax and turn it off. At the end of our interview, I asked her to come back after she had done some work and really dug into the Enneagram. Now, seven months later, she joins us to share how time and reflection have truly helped her slow down and shift her focus to chasing fulfillment rather than achievement. What does that look like for an Enneagram Three?

Tune in to find out.

Molly Fletcher is a popular keynote speaker who shares the unconventional techniques that helped her thrive as one of the first female sports agents in the high stakes, big ego world of professional sports. As a highly sought-after motivational speaker, she delivers game-changing messages to top companies, trade associations, and teams worldwide.

Molly spent two decades as one of the world’s only female sports agents. She was hailed as the “female Jerry Maguire” by CNN as she recruited and represented hundreds of sport’s biggest names, including Hall of Fame pitcher John Smoltz, PGA TOUR golfer Matt Kuchar, broadcaster Erin Andrews, and basketball championship coaches Tom Izzo and Doc Rivers.

She currently serves as a National Trustee member for the Boys & Girls Clubs of America and on the board of directors for the Intercollegiate Tennis Association (ITA) and the national advisory board for the Positive Coaching Alliance (PCA).

What better way to wrap up our series on Enneagram and Parenting, than with a rich conversation with parenting experts, Amy and Jeffrey Olrick, Ph.D. Dr. Olrick is a clinical psychologist who has worked with children and families for over 20 years. Amy is an author and human rights advocate whose work and writing has been featured in the Guardian and USA Today. Together, they run GrowingConnected.com, offering scientifically grounded and faith-informed resources for parents.

Today we discuss:

• How the Enneagram can help parents identify and live into their strengths

• What the 6 Needs of Every Child are and how they feather with the Enneagram

• Co-parenting to meet the needs of your children with balance

Tune in for some great parenting insights on connecting with your children.