Autism, Relationships & PDA (Pathological Demand Avoidance or Pervasive Drive for Autonomy

The challenges people have maintaining relationships can be related to relational trauma, PDA, the desire for consistency and/or adherence to high or unrealistic expectations. PDA is a profile of autism, and people with PDA may have no problem making friends, but they may have difficulty keeping them. Can someone who is autistic become more flexible and lower their expectations if they want to? What elements are needed in relationships to accommodate for neurodivergence?

CO-HOST

Jen Perry, MSEd, MA, LPC 

HIGHLIGHTS

·         The challenges faced in maintaining consistency and connection in friendship.

·         Autism and neurodiversity, and the importance of being aware of different types of neurodiversity.

·         The importance of consistency and pattern in the lives of neurodivergent people, and how it can relate to your emotional state.

·         The evolving nature of human experience and how things get put in and taken out of official stances.

·         TikToks that poke fun at the DSM and how it's revised.

·         The experience with ADHD and HSP, and how it relates to your emotional state. The importance of being aware of the current thought on certain topics, such as autism.

·         The challenges of being well-educated enough about certain topics, such as autism.

·         The importance of being intimate with different types of neurodiversity.

·         The importance of being fascinated by how we collectively as a culture and field talk about things.

·         The challenge of sharing your process without disenfranchising anyone or alienating anyone especially when talking about sensitive topics.

·         The challenges of studying and understanding neurodivergent experiences.

·         The importance of being aware of different types of neurodiversity, such as autism and HSP.

·         The importance of including autistic listeners in the conversation.

·         The importance of being aware of the imperfection of the process of studying and understanding neurodivergent experiences.

·         The importance of being aware of the evolving nature of human experience and how things are constantly changing.

·         How their autism shows up in their life.

·         The importance of being fascinated by how we collectively as a culture and field talk about things, while being aware of the challenges of studying and understanding neurodivergent experiences.

 Personal insights about autism

·       Historically, they (Patricia) could be very self-centered and talk about her interests incessantly without realizing that not everyone is as fascinated by those things.

·         Patricia can have high and unrealistic expectations of how people should behave and how the world should be, which can lead to disappointment.

·         Patricia learned that she can change her rigid patterns of thinking and behavior with the help of a support system and feedback.

Insights about how consistency and patterns show up in relationships

·       Relationships have an ebb and flow to them, with periods of high contact and periods of low contact.

·         The amount of contact in a relationship can be influenced by external factors, such as custody schedules or work demands.

·         Consistency and patterns in relationships can be important for some people, but not for others.

·         It's important to communicate with your partner about your needs and expectations for consistency and patterns in the relationship.

·         Consistency and patterns in relationships can change over time, and it's important to be flexible and adaptable.

·         It's important to have a support system outside of the relationship to help manage expectations and provide perspective.

Information about PDA (Pathological Demand Avoidance or Pervasive/Persistent Drive for Autonomy

·         PDA is a clinical term that stands for pathological demand avoidance.

·         The term "pathological" is not liked by some people, as it implies that there is something wrong with the person.

·         PDA is characterized by a pervasive drive for autonomy, which means that the person needs to feel that they have a sense of efficacy over their life.

·         Demands can be either external or internal, and can cause stress and anxiety for people with PDA.

·         PDA can come up around internal demands, such as taking a shower or getting work done.

·         People with PDA may have a different experience of it depending on whether they are an internalizer or externalizer.

·         PDA is a profile of autism.

·         The clinical term for PDA is not liked by some people, as it implies that there is something wrong with the person.

·         People with PDA may have experienced relational trauma, which can make it difficult for them to feel safe and secure in relationships.

·         People with PDA may have difficulty with demands and expectations, and may need to have a sense of control over their environment to feel safe.

·         PDA is a complex condition that requires a nuanced understanding of the individual's experience.

·         People with PDA may benefit from support and understanding from others, as well as strategies for managing demands and expectations.

·         PDA is just one aspect of the neurodiversity spectrum, and it is important to be aware of the different types of neurodiversity and how they can affect people's lives.

·         People with PDA may have unique strengths and abilities, and it is important to recognize and celebrate these strengths.

·         PDA is a complex condition that requires a nuanced understanding of the individual's experience, and it is important to be aware of the challenges and opportunities that come with it.

PODCAST HOST

Patricia was a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, but is now exclusively providing coaching. She knows what it’s like to feel like an outcast, misfit, and truthteller.  Learning about the trait of being a Highly Sensitive Person (HSP), then learning she is AuDHD (ADHD and autistic) helped Patricia rewrite her history with a deeper understanding, appreciation, and a sense of self-compassion.  She created the podcast Unapologetically Sensitive to help other neurodivergent folks know that they aren’t alone, and that having a brain that is wired differently comes with amazing gifts, and some challenges.  Patricia works online globally working individually with people, and she teaches Online Courses for HSPs that focus on understanding what it means to be an HSP, self-care, self-compassion, boundaries, perfectionism, mindfulness, communication, and creating a lifestyle that honors you

CO-HOST BIO

Jen Perry, MSEd, MA, LPC has been a psychotherapist for 20 years. She specializes in helping Highly Sensitive People thrive in love, work, and parenting Highly Sensitive Children. Jen is passionate about using mindfulness and compassion-based approaches to ameliorate human suffering.

LINKS

Jen’s Links

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Jen’s website: https://heartfulnessconsulting.com/

Patricia’s Links

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AFAB Autism Assessment: Common Questions Answered

Dr. Jessica Myszak, who provides autism assessments for late-diagnosed, high masking women answers the following questions: How does autism present differently in women? Is self-diagnosis valid? Why haven’t the lived experiences of women been included in the diagnostic criteria? What might social differences, repetitive and stimming behaviors look like in someone who is AFAB? We explore thoughts about HSP vs. autism? What is Pathological Demand Avoidance PDA (also known as Pervasive Drive for Autonomy)?

GUEST

Dr. Jessica Myszak, Licensed Psychologist

HIGHLIGHTS

Questions asked in this episode

·         Why are so many assigned female at birth AFAB being diagnosed with autism?

·         Is it a fad? People say you watch Tik Tok and think you’re autistic

·         Is self-diagnosis valid?

·         Why haven’t women and their experience and presentation of autism been included in the DSM criteria?

·         How does autism present differently for women?

·         Why is there a gap between the written criteria for autism and the lived experience for those who are AFAB?

·         If someone is an internalizer, what might stimming and repetitive behaviors look like?

·         What are your thoughts about HSP vs. autisim?

·         Do you think that HSP is a subtype of autism, or is there a profile of autism where deep feeling, deep thinking and empathy are present?

·         What is Pathological Demand Avoidance PDA, also knows as Persistent/Pervasive Drive for Autonomy?

Common misconceptions about autism in females

• The assumption that autistic females are not interested in socializing, when in fact they may be on the fringes of social groups but never feel like they truly belong. –
• The assumption that autistics do not have feelings, nor do they have empathy is grossly false. Many autistics feel so much, that it is overwhelming
• The assumption that autistics don’t or can’t make eye-contact.
• The assumption that autistics will stim in apparent ways like rocking, hand-flapping etc. vs. thinking/processing, hair twirling, sucking cheeks in, using thumb to gently stroke hand, rubbing feet together, counting things.
• The assumption that autism only affects males, and as a result, assessment tools and education are often skewed towards recognizing autism in males. –
• Many psychologists and neurologists still rely on outdated information about autism that was learned many years ago in graduate school, which can lead to misdiagnosis or missed diagnosis in females. –
• There is a gap between healthcare professionals who are following updated information about autism in females and those who are not.

Some characteristics of autistic females

• Autistic females may be on the fringes of social groups but never feel like they truly belong. –
• Autistic females may have a strong desire to socialize and make friends, but may struggle with social cues and maintaining friendships. –
• Autistic females may have a tendency to mask their symptoms in social situations, which can lead to exhaustion and burnout. –
• Autistic females may have a strong interest in certain topics or activities, but these interests may be more socially acceptable than stereotypical "male" interests like trains or vacuum cleaners. –Interests may include relationships, personal growth, hobbies and crafts, medical information, being an avid reader, parenting, etc.
• Autistic females may be more likely to experience anxiety or depression than their neurotypical peers. –
• Autistic females may be more likely to receive a misdiagnosis or missed diagnosis due to the fact that assessment tools and education are often skewed towards recognizing autism in males.
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Examples of repetitive or stimming behavior in women

·         Deep thinking and processing.  –

·         Using weighted blankets or heavy blankets for comfort.  –

·         Hair twirling, pursing lips, having tongue against the roof of the mouth, sucking on the inside of cheeks.

·         Rubbing fingers or toes together, using fidget toys, doing cricket feet (rubbing feet together). –

·         Doing a figure eight or pattern with fingers or thumbs on clothes.  –

·         Watching shows on repeat, listening to music on repeat, rereading books.

·         It's worth noting that these are just a few examples, and that repetitive or stimming behavior can take many different forms and vary widely between individuals.

Ways healthcare professionals can better recognize and diagnose autism in females: -

·         Healthcare professionals should be aware that autism looks different in autistic females than it does in males, and should not rely solely on assessment tools and education that are skewed towards recognizing autism in males. –

·         Healthcare professionals should be aware of the common misconceptions about autism in autistic females, such as the assumption that they are not interested in socializing or that autism only affects males. –

·         Healthcare professionals should be aware that autistic females may mask their symptoms in social situations, which can make it more difficult to recognize their autism. –

·         Healthcare professionals should ask questions about the individual's social experiences and interests, and should not assume that their interests are stereotypical "male" interests. 

·        Healthcare professionals should be aware that autistic females may be more likely to experience anxiety or depression than their neurotypical peers, and should take this into account when making a diagnosis. –

·         Healthcare professionals should stay up-to-date on the latest research about autism in autistic females, and should seek out training and education on how to recognize and diagnose autism in this population.

PODCAST HOST

Patricia was a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, but is now exclusively providing coaching. She knows what it’s like to feel like an outcast, misfit, and truthteller.  Learning about the trait of being a Highly Sensitive Person (HSP), then learning she is autistic helped Patricia rewrite her history with a deeper understanding, appreciation, and a sense of self-compassion.  She created the podcast Unapologetically Sensitive to help other neurodivergent folks know that they aren’t alone, and that having a brain that is wired differently comes with amazing gifts, and some challenges.  Patricia works online globally working individually with clients, therapists, and she teaches Online Courses for HSPs that focus on understanding what it means to be an HSP, self-care, self-compassion, boundaries, perfectionism, mindfulness, communication, and creating a lifestyle that honors you

GUEST BIO

Dr. Jessica Myszak is a Chicago-area psychologist who specializes in autism assessment for both children and adults. Doing both in-person and telehealth evaluations in many states across the US, she has developed a niche in less-typical presentations of autism--autism in women, high-masking adults, and pathological demand avoidance (PDA). She also provides educational content on Tiktok about these topics. She is also the founder of the Autistic Support Network, a free private online community for members to share information and connect with other autistic adults. 

LINKS 

Dr. Myszak’s Links

Website—https://helpandhealingcenter.com/

LInkedin—www.linkedin.com/in/jessicamyszak

Tik Tok-- https://www.tiktok.com/@drjessicamyszak 

Facebook—https://www.facebook.com/helpandhealingcenter/ 

Autistic Support Network-- https://autisticsupportnetwork.com/ 

Patricia’s Links

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Emotional Intelligence in Relationships: Honoring Neurodivergent Needs and Communication Styles

How do you center yourself in relationships when you’re being told you’re difficult to be around, or people stop communicating with you? How do you navigate ambiguous communication? I go on a rant because I was feeling frustrated. I talk about neurodivergence and my experience being autistic. I also explore the following: Is self-diagnosis for autism valid? What are misconceptions about autism? What is hurtful to say to someone who is autistic?

HIGHLIGHTS

Common misconceptions about autism

• Autism is often portrayed as a "male" condition, with diagnostic criteria based on white boys who externalize. –
• Girls and women with autism may not fit the stereotypical image of someone with the condition, as they may be socialized to be polite and take care of others' needs and feelings. –
• There is a misconception that self-diagnosis is not valid or reliable, but it is. For those who self-diagnose, it can be very empowering.
• Some people believe that autism is a "disease" or something that needs to be "cured," I believe I AM autistic.  It’s how I’m wired.  I don’t have autism—there’s nothing wrong with me.–
• There is a stereotype that all autistic individuals lack empathy or emotional intelligence, but this is not true and is a harmful stereotype. –
• Many people assume that autistic individuals are not interested in socializing or making friends, but this is not always the case and is another harmful stereotype.

What are harmful hurtful things one can say to someone who discloses they’re autistic

• "You don't look autistic," or “You don’t act autistic.” This statement invalidates the person's experiences and reinforces stereotypes about how autism should appear. It also indicates that the person really has no idea what autism looks like.
• "Just try harder to fit in." This disregards the challenges that autistic individuals face in social situations and implies that they are not making enough effort.
• "You're overreacting." Dismissing or minimizing the person's sensory sensitivities or emotional responses can be invalidating and hurtful.
• "You're being too sensitive." This statement undermines the person's experiences and feelings, disregarding their unique sensory experiences and emotional responses.
• "You should act more normal." Pressuring someone to conform to neurotypical standards disregards their authentic self and can lead to masking or suppressing their true identity.
• "You're not trying hard enough to communicate." This places blame on the autistic individual for communication difficulties, disregarding the fact that communication styles may differ for autistic individuals. Allistics (non autistics) set the “norms” for communication, which is also invalidating for how autistic brains are wired.
• "You're just seeking attention." Accusing someone of seeking attention can be dismissive and hurtful. Invalidating the challenges autistics experience and blaming the autistic is ableist.
• "You're not capable of doing that." Underestimating someone's abilities based on their autism can be demeaning and limit their opportunities for growth and success.
• "You need to be fixed." Implying that autism is a flaw or something that needs to be cured can be deeply hurtful and perpetuates harmful ableist attitudes.
• "You're not normal." Labeling someone as "abnormal" or "not normal" can be stigmatizing and contribute to feelings of isolation and low self-worth. It is important to approach conversations with empathy, respect, and understanding, focusing on acceptance and supporting the individual's unique needs and experiences.

Neurodiversity Explained

• Neurodiversity is the concept that neurological differences are natural variations in human neurology, rather than disorders or deficits. –
• This perspective recognizes that every individual has unique strengths and challenges, and that these differences should be celebrated and accommodated rather than pathologized or stigmatized. –
• In the context of autism, the idea that autism is a "disease" or something that needs to be "cured." –
• It’s important to understand and honor how autistic individuals are wired, rather than trying to make them conform to neurotypical standards. –
• There is a lack of diversity in the diagnostic criteria for autism, which are often based on white boys who externalize. - This can lead to a narrow understanding of what autism looks like and can result in many autistic individuals, particularly girls and women, being overlooked or misdiagnosed. –
• The paradigm needs to be changed, so we are embracing neurodiversity and celebrating differences, finding one's own community of like-minded individuals, and rejecting the notion that there is a "normal" or "correct" way to be. –
• By understanding and respecting neurodiversity, we can create a more inclusive and accepting society that values and accommodates all individuals, regardless of their neurological differences.

PODCAST HOST

Patricia was a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, but is now exclusively providing coaching. She knows what it’s like to feel like an outcast, misfit, and truthteller.  Learning about the trait of being a Highly Sensitive Person (HSP), then learning she is autistic helped Patricia rewrite her history with a deeper understanding, appreciation, and a sense of self-compassion.  She created the podcast Unapologetically Sensitive to help other neurodivergent folks know that they aren’t alone, and that having a brain that is wired differently comes with amazing gifts, and some challenges.  Patricia works online globally working individually with clients, therapists, and she teaches Online Courses for HSPs that focus on understanding what it means to be an HSP, self-care, self-compassion, boundaries, perfectionism, mindfulness, communication, and creating a lifestyle that honors you

LINKS

HSP Online Course--https://unapologeticallysensitive.com/hsp-online-groups/

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Not Feeling Good Enough: Self-Criticism, Healing and Vulnerability

We talk about the origins of feeling not good enough, and even if you understand why you feel this way, you still may be stuck.  At the end, Jen and I have a tearful moment that is bursting with vulnerability sharing something we have never talked about before. We talk about our own rigidity, inflexibility and having high expectations for others. We explore the power of naming what is going on in the moment, even when it may not be pretty, but it can be extremely powerful.

CO-HOST

Jen Perry, MSEd, MA, LPC

HIGHLIGHTS

·         Importance of emotional intelligence in personal growth

·         Recognizing and managing emotions in oneself and others

·         Developing self-awareness and self-reflection skills

·         Cultivating empathy and compassion for others

·         Recognizing and challenging negative self-talk

·         Embracing imperfection and self-love

·         Benefits of self-acceptance and self-compassion

·         Navigating life's transitions with grace and humor 9. Power of vulnerability in authentic relationships

·         Importance of authenticity and vulnerability

·         Internalizing criticism and creating negative self-stories

·         Feeling unworthy and doing hurtful behaviors

·         Intellectual understanding vs. deep feeling healing

·         Integration of intellectual and emotional healing

·         Pre-verbal experiences and difficulty expressing with words

·         Benefits of unstructured play for emotional development

·         Lowering expectations and finding freedom

·         Holding oneself lightly and letting go of perfectionism

·         Finding joy in the midst of life's pressures

·         Cultivating a growth mindset and learning from mistakes

PODCAST HOST

Patricia was a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, but is now exclusively providing coaching. She knows what it’s like to feel like an outcast, misfit, and truthteller.  Learning about the trait of being a Highly Sensitive Person (HSP), then learning she is neurodivergent helped Patricia rewrite her history with a deeper understanding, appreciation, and a sense of self-compassion.  She created the podcast Unapologetically Sensitive to help other neurodivergent folks know that they aren’t alone, and that having a brain that is wired differently comes with amazing gifts, and some challenges.  Patricia works online globally working individually with people, and she teaches Online Courses for HSPs that focus on understanding what it means to be an HSP, self-care, self-compassion, boundaries, perfectionism, mindfulness, communication, and creating a lifestyle that honors you

CO-HOST BIO

Jen Perry, MSEd, MA, LPC has been a psychotherapist for 20 years. She specializes in helping Highly Sensitive People thrive in love, work, and parenting Highly Sensitive Children. Jen is passionate about using mindfulness and compassion-based approaches to ameliorate human suffering.

LINKS

Drama of the Gifted Child by Alice Miller free YouTube audiobook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KPLXRvI_vQ 

Jen’s Links 

Email: [email protected] 

Jen’s website: https://heartfulnessconsulting.com/

Patricia’s Links

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Navigating Difficult Conversations: Communicating Honestly in Relationships

Being assertive with medical providers can be hard; does one disclose an autism diagnosis? I discuss the importance of vulnerability, as well as the challenges of transparency and balancing honesty and privacy. My birthday came with expectations and disappointments, and some unexpected healing. I explore the challenges of talking about personal experiences without hurting or offending others, and I discuss the importance of self-regulation, and using fidgets in public.

HIGHLIGHTS

1.    Navigating medical gaslighting and asserting oneself in medical situations.

2.    It talks about the challenges of managing expectations and coping with disappointment.

3.    Heartwarming messages from loved ones on a birthday are shared.

4.    The importance of vulnerability and finding one's voice in groups is discussed.

5.    The challenges of transparency and balancing honesty and privacy are explored.

6.    Coping with rejection and overcoming feelings of unworthiness are shared.

7.    The importance of self-care and prioritizing one's mental health is discussed.

8.    Navigating difficult conversations and communicating effectively in relationships is explored.

9.    Experiences with neurodivergence and having high expectations are shared.

10.The challenges of holding things more lightly and moving with things are discussed.

11.Experiences with medication and the decision not to take it are shared.

12.The challenges of talking about personal experiences without hurting or offending others are discussed.

13.Experiences with group dynamics and navigating relationships are shared.

14.The challenges of feeling excluded and not belonging in groups are discussed.

15.The importance of finding one's identity and belonging is explored.

16.Coping with disappointment and managing expectations are discussed.

17.The importance of self-reflection and learning from mistakes is explored.

18.The challenges of navigating relationships and communicating effectively are discussed.

  PODCAST HOST

   Patricia was a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, but is now exclusively providing coaching. She knows what it’s like to feel like an outcast, misfit, and truthteller.  Learning about the trait of being a Highly Sensitive Person (HSP), then learning she is neurodivergent helped Patricia rewrite her history with a deeper understanding, appreciation, and a sense of self-compassion.  She created the podcast Unapologetically Sensitive to help other neurodivergent folks know that they aren’t alone, and that having a brain that is wired differently comes with amazing gifts, and some challenges.  Patricia works online globally working individually with people, and she teaches Online Courses for HSPs that focus on understanding what it means to be an HSP, self-care, self-compassion, boundaries, perfectionism, mindfulness, communication, and creating a lifestyle that honors you

LINKS

HSP Online Course--https://unapologeticallysensitive.com/hsp-online-groups/

Online HSP Course Materials (no group included) https://patriciayounglcsw.com/product-category/hsp-classes/

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Disentangling from Emotionally Immature People

Dr. Lindsay Gibson, discusses her most recent book, and she offers practical strategies, reflective exercises, and tips for dealing with emotionally immature people (EIPs). We explore topics such as understanding emotional immaturity, healing from emotional immaturity, and developing emotional maturity. We discuss the importance of self-care, self-compassion, and self-improvement. Dr. Gibson offers hope, validation, and empowerment to those who want to build healthier relationships.

GUEST

Lindsay Gibson, PsyD.

HIGHLIGHTS

·       Emotional immaturity is characterized by a lack of emotional awareness, empathy, and responsibility.

·        Emotionally immature people often struggle with communication, conflict resolution, and intimacy.

·        Emotional immaturity can be caused by childhood trauma, neglect, or abuse.

·         Emotionally immature parents can pass on their behavior to their children.

·         The book is structured as a series of 50 questions and answers.

·         The book offers strategies, reflective exercises, and tips for improving emotional maturity.

·         The book is organized into five parts: Understanding Emotional Immaturity, The Impact of Emotional Immaturity on Relationships, Healing from Emotional Immaturity, Developing Emotional Maturity, and Living with Emotional Maturity.

·         Part One explains what emotional immaturity is and how it develops.

·         Part Two explores the effects of emotional immaturity on different types of relationships, such as romantic, familial, and professional.

·         Part Three offers guidance on healing from emotional immaturity, including setting boundaries, grieving losses, and forgiving oneself and others.

·         Part Four provides practical advice for developing emotional maturity, such as practicing self-awareness, empathy, and responsibility.

·         Part Five discusses the benefits of living with emotional maturity, such as better relationships, self-esteem, and resilience.

·         The book emphasizes the importance of self-care, self-compassion, and self-improvement in overcoming emotional immaturity.

·         The book encourages readers to seek therapy, support groups, and other resources for healing and growth.

·         The book acknowledges that emotional maturity is a lifelong journey and that setbacks and challenges are normal.

·         The book is written in a conversational and accessible style, with anecdotes, examples, and humor.

·         The book is aimed at adult children of emotionally immature parents, but it can be helpful for anyone struggling with emotional immaturity.

·         The book offers hope, validation, and empowerment to readers who want to break the cycle of emotional immaturity and build healthier relationships.

GUEST BIO

Lindsay Gibson, PsyD. has been a licensed clinical psychologist for over thirty years and specializes in individual adult psychotherapy and coaching with adult children of emotionally immature parents. She is the author of five books. Her book Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents remains a #1 Amazon Best Seller in parent-adult child relationships, with a five star rating and over 19,000 reviews, over 800,000 copies sold, and translated in 34 foreign countries. She has served as an Adjunct Assistant Professor for the Virginia Consortium Program for Clinical Psychology, leading doctoral student workshops and independent study classes. Her latest book, Disentangling from Emotionally Immature People, was released in July 2023. Her website address is www.lindsaygibsonpsyd.com. Dr. Gibson lives and works in Virginia Beach, Virginia. 

PODCAST HOST

Patricia was a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, but is now exclusively providing coaching. She knows what it’s like to feel like an outcast, misfit, and truthteller.  Learning about the trait of being a Highly Sensitive Person (HSP), then learning she is neurodivergent helped Patricia rewrite her history with a deeper understanding, appreciation, and a sense of self-compassion.  She created the podcast Unapologetically Sensitive to help other neurodivergent folks know that they aren’t alone, and that having a brain that is wired differently comes with amazing gifts, and some challenges.  Patricia works online globally working individually with people, and she teaches Online Courses for HSPs that focus on understanding what it means to be an HSP, self-care, self-compassion, boundaries, perfectionism, mindfulness, communication, and creating a lifestyle that honors you

LINKS

Dr, Gibson’s links

Website— http://lindsaygibsonpsyd.com

Patricia’s Links

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Empowerment in Vulnerability: Becoming the Heroine of Your Story

This episode includes wanting people to intuit what you want without having to ask; struggling with having to ask for what you want; not being chosen, and how to turn this around; identifying who your people are; assessing what others have to offer in relationships instead of assuming that you’re the one with the deficits. We also talk about how to have compassion for where you’re at, and the gifts of doing healing work.

CO-HOST

Jen Perry, MSEd, MA, LPC

HIGHLIGHTS

• Reflect on the mantra Who do I choose and who chooses me? and use it to empower yourself in relationships and activities.
• Embrace the idea that it's okay if not everyone likes you or understands you fully, and focus on being true to yourself.
• Practice setting boundaries and making choices that align with your values, even if they don't fit your self-concept or may cause conflict.
• Reflect on the phrase I am enough and embrace the idea that you don't need external validation to feel worthy.

• The concept of "vibrational match" is introduced, emphasizing that not everyone will resonate with each other.
• Setting boundaries is essential, even if it doesn't align with one's self-concept or requires distance from loved ones.
• It's empowering to accept that not everyone will like or understand you, and that's okay.
• The importance of having self-compassion and acknowledging that being human means making mistakes.
• The value of exploring one's emotional triggers and understanding the reasons behind them.
• Different people have different ways of approaching tasks and ideas, which can lead to misunderstandings.
• The realization that some activities may be enjoyable, but the people involved may not be a perfect fit.
• Embracing the truth about oneself and being comfortable with the role one plays in others' narratives.
• The journey of finding and embracing one's authentic self while acknowledging imperfections.
• The power of learning to say "no" and assert boundaries without compromising one's self-worth.
• Understanding that conflicts and bumps in relationships are natural and part of personal growth.
• Recognizing the need for distance and safety in certain relationships to protect one's emotional well-being.

PODCAST HOST

Patricia was a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, but is now exclusively providing coaching. She knows what it’s like to feel like an outcast, misfit, and truthteller.  Learning about the trait of being a Highly Sensitive Person (HSP), then learning she is neurodivergent helped Patricia rewrite her history with a deeper understanding, appreciation, and a sense of self-compassion.  She created the podcast Unapologetically Sensitive to help other neurodivergent folks know that they aren’t alone, and that having a brain that is wired differently comes with amazing gifts, and some challenges.  Patricia works online globally working individually with people, and she teaches Online Courses for HSPs that focus on understanding what it means to be an HSP, self-care, self-compassion, boundaries, perfectionism, mindfulness, communication, and creating a lifestyle that honors you

CO-HOST BIO

Jen Perry, MSEd, MA, LPC has been a psychotherapist for 20 years. She specializes in helping Highly Sensitive People thrive in love, work, and parenting Highly Sensitive Children. Jen is passionate about using mindfulness and compassion-based approaches to ameliorate human suffering.

LINKS

Jen’s Links

Email: [email protected]

Jen’s website: https://heartfulnessconsulting.com/

Patricia’s Links

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Expressing Feelings When Systems Fail and Frustrate Us

I had a meltdown after reaching my frustration limit. Jen & I discuss how to discharge frustration, while navigating inefficient systems. What prevents us from speaking up, and our concern about how we are perceived. How to advocate for yourself, and get support from others, especially when you’re dysregulated. How do you stay grounded and focused on getting your needs met when things are breaking down? We also discuss how much healing we’ve done in our friendship, and how setting boundaries builds trust.

CO-HOST

Jen Perry, MSEd, MA, LPC

HIGHLIGHTS

1. Allowing oneself and others to fully experience and express emotions without judgment or shame has benefits.
2. Brene Brown's video on blaming offers insight into why people sometimes blame others instead of expressing emotions.
3. Discharging emotions in a healthy way, such as through howling or other outlets, can release pent-up energy.
4. Connection in relationships is prioritized over calmness, and supporting others' emotions is important.
5. Advocating for personal needs and setting boundaries is crucial in medical settings.
6. Seeking support from trusted friends or a support system when overwhelmed is valuable.
7. Expressing emotions responsibly can lead to less distress and better emotional well-being.
8. Suppressing emotions can result in anxiety, depression, or chronic stress.
9. Patricia reflects on her upbringing where emotions were often suppressed, while Jen encourages her children to express their feelings.
10. Navigating frustrations and meltdowns can teach resilience, patience, and personal growth.

PODCAST HOST

Patricia was a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, but is now exclusively providing coaching. She knows what it’s like to feel like an outcast, misfit, and truthteller.  Learning about the trait of being a Highly Sensitive Person (HSP), then learning she is neurodivergent helped Patricia rewrite her history with a deeper understanding, appreciation, and a sense of self-compassion.  She created the podcast Unapologetically Sensitive to help other neurodivergent folks know that they aren’t alone, and that having a brain that is wired differently comes with amazing gifts, and some challenges.  Patricia works online globally working individually with people, and she teaches Online Courses for HSPs that focus on understanding what it means to be an HSP, self-care, self-compassion, boundaries, perfectionism, mindfulness, communication, and creating a lifestyle that honors you

CO-HOST BIO

Jen Perry, MSEd, MA, LPC has been a psychotherapist for 20 years. She specializes in helping Highly Sensitive People thrive in love, work, and parenting Highly Sensitive Children. Jen is passionate about using mindfulness and compassion-based approaches to ameliorate human suffering.

LINKS

Set Boundaries, Find Peace: A Guide to Reclaiming Yourself by Nedra Glover Tawwab

Jen’s Links

Email: [email protected]

Jen’s website: https://heartfulnessconsulting.com/

Patricia’s Links

HSP Online Course--https://unapologeticallysensitive.com/hsp-online-groups/

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Music-- Gravel Dance by Andy Robinson www.andyrobinson.com

Navigating Neurodiversity: The Struggle to Figure out the Rules

We discuss the importance of emotional intelligence, & allowing oneself to feel the full range of emotions. We talk about the struggle to figure out what the unspoken expectations are. We talk about how neurodivergent brains process information compared to neurotypical brains, as well as communication styles that may be more effective. If you’re neurodivergent (HSP, autistic, ADHD etc.), being around others who also have high emotional intelligence may create more intimacy and understanding in your life.

 CO-HOST

Jen Perry, MSEd, MA, LPC

HIGHLIGHTS

·         1.Learn about the importance of feeling the full range of human emotion.

·         2. Discover that it can be safe and healthy to express your feelings.

·         4. Realize the importance of not toning down emotions.

·         5. Explore why cognitive behavioral therapy may not be helpful if you are neurodivergent.

·         8. Understand how the autistic and neurodivergent brain works from a bottom-up approach.

·         9. Discover that starting with details and then going to the bigger picture is often how neurodivergent folks tend to process.

·         10. Learn that allistics (non-autistics) tend to start with the broad and then go down to the details.

·         11. Discover the importance of learning different ways of communicating and processing information.

·         13. Learn why staying connected with friends is especially important during challenging times.

·         14. Discover how Jen and Patricia use various communication tools to stay connected.

·         16. Learn how sharing experiences and insights with friends can be helpful.

·         17. Discover the importance of being open and honest with friends.

·         18. Understand how being vulnerable with friends can lead to deeper connections.

·         19. Learn about the importance of active listening in communication.

·         20. Discover how practicing emotional intelligence can lead to better relationships and overall well-being.

PODCAST HOST

Patricia was a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, but is now exclusively providing coaching. She knows what it’s like to feel like an outcast, misfit, and truthteller.  Learning about the trait of being a Highly Sensitive Person (HSP), then learning she is neurodivergent helped Patricia rewrite her history with a deeper understanding, appreciation, and a sense of self-compassion.  She created the podcast Unapologetically Sensitive to help other neurodivergent folks know that they aren’t alone, and that having a brain that is wired differently comes with amazing gifts, and some challenges.  Patricia works online globally working individually with people, and she teaches Online Courses for HSPs that focus on understanding what it means to be an HSP, self-care, self-compassion, boundaries, perfectionism, mindfulness, communication, and creating a lifestyle that honors you

CO-HOST BIO

Jen Perry, MSEd, MA, LPC has been a psychotherapist for 20 years. She specializes in helping Highly Sensitive People thrive in love, work, and parenting Highly Sensitive Children. Jen is passionate about using mindfulness and compassion-based approaches to ameliorate human suffering.

LINKS

Drama of the Gifted Child by Alice Miller free YouTube audiobook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KPLXRvI_vQ 

Jen’s Links

Email: [email protected]

Jen’s website: https://heartfulnessconsulting.com/

Patricia’s Links

HSP Online Course--https://unapologeticallysensitive.com/hsp-online-groups/

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I Needed to Become the Person I Needed Most 

Kelly took the HSP Course 3 years ago. When life threw her a curveball 18 months ago, she had no idea the profound impact the Course would have on her. Kelly embraced her emotions without judgement, and she began to heal and grow. She allowed people to be there for her. She shares the mantras she used, and she talks about the beauty she experienced while being present and in discomfort. Kelly is thriving in spite of challenges. 

GUEST

Kelly Vance 

HIGHLIGHTS

·         The HSP Online Course can have a profound impact on personal growth and healing.

·         Embracing emotions without judgment is a key aspect of the course and leads to personal growth.

·         Distress tolerance is a powerful tool taught in the course, helping individuals navigate difficult situations.

·         Authenticity and acceptance are essential for living as a Highly Sensitive Person.

·         Open communication and vulnerability play a significant role in building meaningful relationships.

·         Setting boundaries and clarifying personal needs is necessary for maintaining healthy relationships.

·         The course provides support for the grieving process, and creating space for difficult emotions.

·         Being in community with other highly sensitive people allows for connection and validation.

·         Distress tolerance techniques are taught in the course to cope with challenging emotions and situations.

·         Surrendering in relationships and allowing vulnerability with safe individuals is explored.

·         Prioritizing self-care, self-compassion, and embracing discomfort are important for highly sensitive people.

GUEST BIO

Kelly Vance is an abstract artist, cat foster, animal shelter volunteer and highly sensitive ambivert.  She loves creative endeavors, irreverent shenanigans, enjoying delicious food with dear friends and is always working on ways to balance sensation-seeking with the need to rest.  She lives in Scottsdale, Arizona with her husband. 

PODCAST HOST

Patricia was a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, but is now exclusively providing coaching. She knows what it’s like to feel like an outcast, misfit, and truthteller.  Learning about the trait of being a Highly Sensitive Person (HSP), then learning she is neurodivergent helped Patricia rewrite her history with a deeper understanding, appreciation, and a sense of self-compassion.  She created the podcast Unapologetically Sensitive to help other neurodivergent folks know that they aren’t alone, and that having a brain that is wired differently comes with amazing gifts, and some challenges.  Patricia works online globally working individually with people, and she teaches Online Courses for HSPs that focus on understanding what it means to be an HSP, self-care, self-compassion, boundaries, perfectionism, mindfulness, communication, and creating a lifestyle that honors you

LINKS

HSP Online Course--https://unapologeticallysensitive.com/hsp-online-groups/

Online HSP Course Materials (no group included) https://patriciayounglcsw.com/product-category/hsp-classes/

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