Uncensored CMO

Today I'm speaking with one of the most awarded creatives on the planet, David Droga, founder of iconic agency Droga5, and now CEO of Accenture Song, one of the largest creative groups in the world. Described by David himself as "therapy", this conversation spans topics from his start as life as a copywriter, how he created some of the most creative work on the planet and what it's like to transition from a creative to a CEO.

00:00 - Intro
01:58 - How David Droga got into advertising
07:36 - Working at Saatchi and Saatchi Singapore
12:19 - Pushing boundaries and making yourself uncomfortable
14:29 - Moving to Saatchi London
20:32 - Why David Droga started Droga5
25:55 - Droga5’s first campaign for Marc Ecko
31:23 - The first idea Droga5 presented: GE Olympics Campaign
38:30 - Droga’s Unicef campaign
43:25 - Droga’s Newcastle Brown Ale work
46:25 - Huggies Super Bowl Ad
48:44 - The Coinbase QR Code Super Bowl ad
52:22 - Characteristics of the best CMO’s Droga has worked with
56:23 - What it’s like being CEO of Accenture Song

In this episode, Antonia Wade, CMO of PwC, turns the tables and interviews our usual host, Jon Evans. From tax intern to marketing podcast host, we delve into Jon's journey through entrepreneurial endeavours at Britvic, through to being fired at Lucozade to finding a successful role in B2B at System1. We also discuss lessons Jon has learned from 150 podcast episodes with CMO's, agency creatives, founders and more.

Timestamps

• 00:00 - Intro
• 00:43 - Jon’s journey from tax to marketing
• 10:18 - Deciding if you’re more suited to corporate or entrepreneurial life
• 12:35 - Why Jon got fired at Lucozade
• 17:15 - Traits of a confident CMO
• 18:35 - How do you go from tax to research?
• 25:21 - Why Jon chose Richard Shotton as his first guest
• 27:10 - Lesson’s we can take from COVID times
• 30:20 - What makes a great CMO
• 36:49 - Do emotional ads really work?
• 39:44 - Favourite campaign that didn’t perform well with System1
• 41:19 - Is winning a Cannes Lion worth it or not?
• 44:42 - How important is purpose in advertising?
• 48:37 - Is AI the saviour of creativity?
• 52:35 - What has Jon learned about leadership from Uncensored CMO guests?
• 56:25 - Who would Jon love to have on the podcast?
• 57:34 - Happy 50th Birthday Jon!

Welcome to the 150th edition of the Uncensored CMO podcast. To celebrate, I'm joined by Orlando Wood, my colleague at System1 and author of Lemon and Look Out, with the legend that is Sir John Hegarty, iconic founder of BBH. Today we're talking about why they believe a creative revolution is necessary for the industry and why they are collaborating on a new course "Advertising Principles Explained" as the antidote.

Timestamps

00:00:00 - Intro
00:02:22 - Have Oasis created the most effective ad of all time?
00:16:13 - What can we learn from the history of advertising?
00:22:43 - The advertising landscape when John started BBH
00:28:04 - The next creative revolution - Advertising Principles Explained
00:32:32 - The scientific evidence for emotional advertising
00:38:38 - Who is doing the best, most effective advertising today?
00:41:58 - BBH work with Lynx / Axe
00:44:55 - Why we need more humour in advertising
00:49:32 - Advice to CMOs for selling in this approach
00:51:44 - When does Advertising Principles Explained launch?
00:54:42 - Campaigns that didn’t go well for Sir John Hegarty
00:57:11 - What role do planners have in the success of the creative
00:57:33 - How did they sell in flat Eric to Levi’s
00:58:34 - How to challenge clients to think differently
00:59:13 - What emerging trends will shape the future of advertising
01:00:05 - What skills will the CMO of the future need?
01:02:58 - What trend needs breaking today?

Regular listeners of the podcast will know how much I love challenger brands, and Gymbox are one of the best examples of a challenger brand really shaping up their industry. Rory McEntee is the Brand and Marketing Director for the challenger Gym brand, and is responsible for some of the most creative campaigns (which have often come along with a side helping of legal letters) that have really put Gymbox on the map.

Timestamps

00:00 - Intro
00:45 - Rory’s marketing background
02:27 - Rory’s time at Paddy Power
08:18 - Why Rory joined Gymbox
10:11 - The Gymbox founding story
14:01 - Reframing how people see the gym
16:05 - Using your constraints to your advantage
25:15 - Using every touch point as media
35:11 - Being obsessed with execution
39:27 - Forgiveness not permission with your marketing
46:43 - Dealing with taking risks
48:56 - Why the Gymbox culture is so important
53:44 - How does the business of a challenger gym work

Rebecca Hirst is the Chief Marketing Officer of EY UK, a TEDx Speaker and a winner of Campaign's 40 over 40. Before joining EY and making the switch to B2B, Rebecca was Marketing Director at Samsung and working on brands including Coca-Cola, Schweppes, Kellogg’s, Kleenex, Microsoft, IBM, United Airlines, Lufthansa and Star Alliance.

Timestamps

00:00 - Intro
00:54 - Winning Campaign’s 40 over 40
04:33 - Being a Ted Talk speaker
08:01 - Rebecca’s time at Samsung
13:08 - Why Jon loves being a challenger brand
17:08 - Working at Coca Cola vs Pepsi
23:00 - How Rebecca transitioned into a B2B role
25:46 - The power of compounding
32:03 - How is B2B marketing different to B2C?
37:36 - How to influence change at a large organisation
46:12 - How EY became UK’s strongest brand
52:14 - Rebecca’s advice to young marketers

Michelle Moscone is the VP of Brand and Content at GEICO, one of the most famous insurance brands in the US. Michele's career has spanned from project management at some of the biggest agencies in the world to leading creative at an organisation where creativity is at its core. In this episode we talk about why humour is so important for advertising and why we're so afraid to use it.

Timestamps

00:00 - Intro
01:08 - Michelle Moscone background and career
08:18 - How Michelle landed at GEICO
11:20 - Why are there so many characters in insurance?
21:42 - When insurance goes wrong
32:34 - Why humour is so important
36:37 - Why are we afraid of humour?
41:16 - GEICO’s greatest hits
49:51 - How to get the best out of your agency
55:43 - Michelle’s favourite GEICO campaigns

Greg Hahn is the Co-founder and Chief Creative Officer of Mischief. One of the hottest agencies in the world doing work for the likes of Tinder, Tubi and Coors Light. Previous to Mischief, Greg was the CCO of BBDO NY. During that time BBDO was recognized as the most awarded agency in the world by the Gunn Report. It was also named Agency of the Year at The One Show, ADC and The Webbys multiple times.

Timestamps

• 00:00:00 - Intro
• 00:01:10 - How did Greg Hahn get into the advertising industry?
• 00:02:42 - 14 years at BBDO
• 00:03:52 - Getting fired from BBDO
• 00:06:24 - From being fired to creating Mischief
• 00:11:08 - The extraordinary cost of being dull
• 00:14:11 - Why do so many companies play it safe?
• 00:16:36 - Winning a Grand Effie with Tubi
• 00:19:29 - The Mischief mindset
• 00:26:21 - The opposite of a good idea can also be a good idea
• 00:26:59 - How can you use you disadvantage as your advantage?
• 00:30:50 - How can you change the context and reframe things
• 00:34:10 - What would you do if you weren’t afraid
• 00:38:14 - How to make the best out of being fired
• 00:49:24 - What Mischief believes in
• 00:53:49 - How Mischief hires great people
• 00:55:29 - How does Mischief stay sharp as they grow?
• 00:56:29 - Choosing the right clients to work with
• 00:58:55 - What’s next for Mischief?
• 01:00:10 - Hardest part of growing and scaling Mischief
• 01:03:27 - Advice for starting an agency from scratch

Kofi Amoo-Gottfried is the CMO of DoorDash, the premier local commerce platform valued at over $40 billion and dominates over 65% of the market for restaurant delivery. In his role as CMO, he is responsible for driving growth and engagement across all three sides of the marketplace. Prior to DoorDash, Kofi was VP of Brand & Consumer Marketing at Facebook, having previously served as the company’s Head of Consumer Marketing for internet.org.

Timestamps

00:00 - Intro
01:03 - What it’s like judging a Cannes lion
02:34 - DoorDash Valentines Day Campaign
04:54 - Kofi’s background
08:56 - Starting an agency in Africa for Publicis
13:41 - From agency to brand side
15:13 - Kofi’s role at Facebook/Meta
18:11 - From Facebook to DoorDash
20:23 - DoorDash backstory
28:10 - Navigating through COVID at DoorDash
33:24 - How DoorDash prepared to IPO
37:23 - How successful have DoorDash been post IPO?
39:12 - How DoorDash stay on top of innovation
44:41 - DoorDash’s Sesame Street Super Bowl ad
48:40 - DoorDash’s most recent Super Bowl campaign
54:00 - In house vs external agencies
55:51 - The culture at DoorDash

Greg Nugent was the CMO for the London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games, one of the biggest events ever to take place. The entire world was watching as Greg’s work came to life. Before working on the Olympics, Greg oversaw the move of the Eurostar to St Pancras, which included creating the world’s longest champagne bar.

Timestamps:

00:00:00 - Intro
00:00:51 - How did Greg get into marketing
00:10:02 - Greg’s time at Eurostar
00:17:47 - The longest champage bar in the world
00:22:43 - Becoming the CMO of the London 2012 Olympics
00:29:49 - How the team was pivotal for putting on the Olympics
00:34:13 - The importance of the legacy of London 2012
00:37:53 - Why the Paralympics became so prevalent in 2012
00:45:38 - What happened after London 2012
00:50:37 - From Olympics to Rising Pheonix
01:01:05 - How to execute on big ideas - Magic and Logic
01:16:35 - The power of persistence
01:23:24 - Telling powerful stories about those with disability

I often get asked why are there not more marketers on boards of companies? It turns out that only around 2.6% of board positions are filled by marketers, so I'm joined in this episode by somebody who really knows what it's like to be a marketer on a board, Chris Burggraeve. Previously he was the Global CMO of AB InBev, he's since been on many boards and has even written a book explaining the playbook for being a successful CMO on board.

Timestamps

00:00 - Intro
01:00 - Chris’ marketing background
01:43 - What makes a great CMO
05:08 - Making the case for marketing in the boardroom
09:48 - How many CMO's have a seat at the table
14:36 - Why every board should have a marketer
24:06 - Is there a language problem for marketers in the boardroom?
30:03 - Stakeholder outreach
37:00 - What makes a successful board member
40:00 - Skills that CMO’s need to retain a board seat
46:26 - How to find board seats to get on
49:44 - Chris transistion from large to small companies