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This episode of We Chat Divorce dives into a critical but often misunderstood reality of high-conflict divorce: truth alone is not enough—how you organize and present information is what ultimately matters. Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan are joined by family court strategist Courtney Gil Martin, who shares her firsthand experience navigating nearly a decade of post-divorce litigation. Together, they unpack why so many individuals feel frustrated in court despite having “proof,” and how disorganized documentation, emotional overwhelm, and lack of strategy can weaken even valid claims.

The conversation reframes documentation as more than just saving emails or journaling experiences—it’s about building a structured, usable system that supports your case, your attorney, and ultimately the court. Courtney emphasizes the importance of creating a centralized “case hub,” where timelines, evidence, and financial records are organized in a way that allows for quick access, clear narratives, and strategic use. This approach not only strengthens credibility but can also reduce legal costs by making it easier for professionals to advocate effectively on your behalf.

Karen and Catherine connect this concept directly to the financial side of divorce, highlighting a key distinction: not all information leads to a meaningful outcome. Emotional events, past behaviors, or even perceived injustices may feel important, but without a clear purpose or legal relevance, they can create distraction rather than impact. Instead, they encourage listeners to focus on what data actually supports their goals—whether that’s custody, financial settlement, or long-term stability—and to approach documentation with intention, not reaction.

Ultimately, this episode reinforces a powerful message: confidence in divorce comes from clarity, not emotion. When you are grounded in facts—organized, accessible, and aligned with a defined outcome—you shift the power dynamic. You’re no longer reacting to the situation; you’re leading it. And in a system where time is limited and decisions carry lasting consequences, that level of preparation can make all the difference in protecting your future.

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In this episode of We Chat Divorce, Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan unpack one of the most common—and costly—realities in divorce: financial blind spots within a marriage.

Inspired in part by the broader conversation sparked by the popular book Strangers: a Memoir of Marriage , this discussion moves beyond the emotional narrative and into the financial truth many individuals face when divorce becomes real. Because while the emotional impact often gets the attention, it’s the lack of financial clarity that can have lasting consequences.

About My Divorce Solution

We Chat Divorce is produced by My Divorce Solution (MDS) — a financial divorce preparation company dedicated to helping individuals navigate divorce with clarity, confidence, and a strategic financial plan. Founded by Karen Chellew, Legal Liaison, and Catherine Shanahan, Certified Divorce Financial Analyst (CDFA), MDS was created to solve one of the most common and costly mistakes in divorce: entering the legal process without fully understanding your financial picture.

Divorce is not just a legal event — it is a financial transition that can shape your long-term security. Through the MDS Divorce Financial Portrait™, clients receive expert financial analysis, organized financial disclosures, and scenario planning to understand how different settlement decisions impact their future. This financial preparation often reduces legal fees, shortens the divorce process, and helps individuals negotiate from a position of knowledge rather than fear.If you are considering divorce or already in the process, you can begin by taking the Free Divorce Financial Assessment to better understand your options. You can also join the MDS Community for expert guidance, educational resources, and live Q&A events designed to help you move from uncertainty to clarity.

At My Divorce Solution, the mission is simple: replace fear with knowledge so you can make informed, confident financial decisions during divorce.

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Divorcing a narcissistic or high-conflict partner is one of the most emotionally and strategically complex experiences you can face.

In this episode of We Chat Divorce, we’re joined by high-conflict divorce coach, mediator, and author Victoria McCooey, who shares what it really looks like to navigate divorce when manipulation, control, and emotional abuse are part of the dynamic.

Victoria brings both professional expertise and lived experience—offering clear, grounded insight into how narcissistic behavior shows up in divorce, why so many people feel stuck or confused, and what it actually takes to protect yourself and move forward.

If you’ve ever felt like you’re questioning your reality, being pulled in multiple directions, or struggling to make clear decisions—this conversation will help you understand why—and what to do next.

You don’t need to have everything figured out—you need clarity. And clarity starts with understanding what you’re dealing with.

At My Divorce Solution, we see this every day—when emotions are high and information is low, decisions become reactive. That’s why financial clarity is critical, especially in high-conflict situations. When you understand your full financial picture, you regain control of your decisions—not just your circumstances.

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There’s a quiet kind of divorce that doesn’t start with papers being filed. It starts years earlier—when the relationship has already ended emotionally, but nothing changes on the outside.

In this episode of We Chat Divorce, Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan are joined by returning guest Karen Covy—divorce coach, attorney, mediator, and author—to unpack what it really means to feel “stuck” in a marriage.

If you’ve been living in that in-between space—where fear, uncertainty, and obligation keep you from moving forward—this conversation will help you understand why.

More importantly, it will show you what’s actually missing: clarity.

What a “hidden divorce” really is—and why so many people are living in one

The real reasons people stay stuck (it’s not just fear of divorce)

Why not knowing your financial picture keeps you in indecision

How misinformation from spouses, friends, Google, and AI can lead to costly mistakes

Why divorce is not a binary decision—and the options most people never consider

The role of financial independence and confidence, especially in long-term marriages

How to make decisions using head, heart, and gut—not just fear

Why clarity before action can dramatically reduce conflict, cost, and regret

Resources Mentioned

My Divorce Solution

MDS Financial Portrait™

MDS Community (free support + live Q&A)

Visit https://karencovy.com/ to find Karen’s resources

When Happily Ever After Ends (book)

Divorce Roadmap 3.0

Off the Fence Podcast

If you’re questioning your marriage—or quietly feeling stuck—you don’t need to rush into a decision.

Start with clarity.

At My Divorce Solution, we help you understand your full financial picture before you take your next step—so your decisions are grounded in knowledge, not fear.

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Most people enter divorce focused on legal steps. But divorce is ultimately a financial process—and the biggest mistakes happen before negotiations even begin.

In this episode of Divorce Explored, Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan break down financial discovery in divorce—what it is, why it matters, and what happens when it’s skipped.

If you don’t fully understand your financial picture, you’re negotiating without the full story.

They walk through real client scenarios, including undisclosed retirement accounts, missing financial documents, and investment portfolios with hidden tax consequences. These are the kinds of details that can completely change the outcome of a settlement—and they’re often missed.

This conversation explains the difference between collecting documents and actually verifying them, why incomplete or outdated information leads to costly decisions, and how financial clarity creates confidence during negotiation.

You’ll also learn where attorneys, financial planners, and other professionals fit into the process—and why financial preparation must come first.

The bottom line: financial discovery is not a technical step. It is the foundation of every financial decision in divorce.

If you’re considering divorce, in the middle of the process, or preparing for negotiation, this episode will help you understand what needs to happen before any agreements are made.

Start with clarity before making decisions that impact your financial future.

Learn more or begin with a free Divorce Financial Assessment:
https://mydivorcesolution.com/

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Children don’t experience divorce through court documents or financial agreements. They experience it through tone, tension, and the daily communication between their parents.

And when that communication stays reactive, unclear, or emotionally charged, children carry that instability with them.

In this episode of We Chat Divorce, Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan sit down with family law attorneys Elle Barr and Rebecca Perra from OurFamilyWizard to discuss one of the most important — and often overlooked — factors affecting children after divorce: parental conflict.

Drawing on decades of family law experience and research like the ACEs (Adverse Childhood Experiences) study, this conversation explores why unmanaged conflict between parents can have lasting emotional and health consequences for children.

But there is good news: conflict can be reduced when parents use the right systems, tools, and communication structures.

You’ll learn how co-parenting platforms like OurFamilyWizard help parents:

You’ll also hear why financial clarity — understanding expenses, support, and shared responsibilities — is critical to building a sustainable co-parenting plan.

This episode is essential listening for parents navigating divorce, co-parenting challenges, or ongoing communication struggles with a former spouse.

Because divorce doesn’t have to damage children. Conflict does — and conflict can be reduced.

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Real Estate in Divorce: Selling, Buying, and Financial Risks

Hosts: Karen Chellew, Legal Liaison & Co-Founder, My Divorce Solution

In Part 2 of this conversation on real estate and divorce, Karen and Catherine focus on what happens when real decisions are made—buying property, selling the marital home, or dividing proceeds. While these steps may feel like progress during a difficult time, they can create unexpected financial risks if the details aren’t fully understood.

Through real client scenarios, they explain why clauses written into real estate contracts may not actually protect you in divorce and why agreements like indemnification don’t always provide the security people expect.

Risks of buying property before your divorce is finalized

Why realtor clauses may not protect you in a divorce

Key considerations when selling the marital home

Why splitting proceeds too early can create problems

The limits of indemnification in divorce agreements

Real estate decisions during divorce aren’t just legal or emotional—they’re financial risk decisions. Before buying, selling, or signing anything, it’s important to understand ownership, liability, and how the transaction could impact your final settlement.

If you want verified numbers and a clear strategy before negotiating property division, learn more about the MDS Divorce Financial Portrait™ at:
MyDivorceSolution.com

Part 1 of this episode covers the foundational concepts behind real estate in divorce, including the difference between the deed, mortgage, and promissory note, and why understanding those documents matters before making any decisions.

Episode OverviewWhat You’ll LearnKey TakeawayResourcesListen to Part 1

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