In this spicy episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, Joel and Chad sit down with Dr. Joel A. Davis Brown—lawyer, DEI guru, and human BS detector—to ask the big question: Is DEI really dying, or is corporate America just too chicken to say “diversity” out loud?

Inside the episode:

DEI isn’t dead, it’s just in hiding—like your CEO when reporters come calling.

JP Morgan swaps “DEI” for “DOI” like it’s a secret menu item. Smooth move, Jamie.

Dr. Brown breaks down why equity matters—using fire drills, because apparently metaphors are the only language execs understand.

McKinsey stats say diversity = profits. But sure, let’s keep pretending this is just “woke nonsense.”

Chad wonders if white guys are scared of 2045. Dr. Brown says: yep, and it’s called replacement theory with a side of panic.

Performative DEI? Pride flags in June and silence the rest of the year? We see you.

💼 Dr. Brown drops truth: DEI isn’t a feel-good HR hobby—it’s a business strategy, people. One that’s way more valuable than another foosball table or AI tool that filters out anyone with a “funny name.”

Listen now—before your company replaces “DEI” with “cultural cohesion vertical” and declares mission accomplished.

00:00 Introduction to Dr. Joel A. Davis

02:09 Current State of DEI

04:34 Understanding Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion

08:10 The Rebranding of DEI: A Pendulum Effect?

11:30 The Role of Leadership

17:58 The Business Case for DEI: Profitability and Community Engagement

22:30 Integrating DEI into Business Operations

28:10 Generational Perspectives on DEI

32:33 Fear and Change: The 2045 Shift

37:14 Voting with Your Dollars: Supporting DEI

41:11 Connecting with Dr. Joel A. Davis Brown