Deviate

Why you go someplace is less important than just going (with Tony Perrottet)


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“For ancient Roman tourists, the whole point of travel was to go where everyone else was going. Sightseeing was a form of pilgrimage.” –Tony Perrottet

In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Tony discuss the habits idiosyncrasies of ancient Roman tourists, and how they relate to modern travel (1:30); the class tensions and expectations inherent in different types of modern and historical travelers, and how the “unexpected” affects these journeys (17:00); the appeal of Egypt to both ancient and modern tourists (22:30); how mythic ages can be a prism through which to see a place (33:00); how travel and geographical endeavor is an important task for a historian (44:30); and how the experience of travel has and hasn’t changed over the years (55:30).

Tony Perrottet (@TonyPerrottet) is the author of six books, including Pagan Holiday: On the Trail of Ancient Roman TouristsThe Sinner’s Grand Tour: A Journey Through the Historical Underbelly of Europe; and The Naked Olympics: The True Story of the Greek Games.

Notable Links:

  • The Nomadic Network book club (online events with Rolf)
  • Vagabond’s Way sweepstakes (online giveaway)
  • Yousuf Karsh (Canadian photographer)
  • Petra (ancient Nabataean city in Jordan)
  • Troy (ancient city in modern-day Turkey)
  • Grand Tour (travel rite from 17th-19th centuries)
  • Explorer’s Club (professional society in New York)
  • Lionel Casson (historian who wrote on ancient Rome)
  • Ludwig Friedländer (scholar who wrote on ancient Rome)
  • Wenamun (ancient Egyptian traveler)
  • Appian Way (ancient Roman road)
  • Gladiator (2000 film)
  • Sultan Hotel (Rolf’s favorite hostel in Cairo)
  • Valley of the Kings (ancient tomb complex in Egypt)
  • Felucca (Mediterranean sailing boat)
  • Egypt’s Entrepreneur Awards
  • Belle Époque (period of French history)
  • Giacomo Casanova (Italian adventurer)
  • Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (German poet)
  • Theseus (mythical Athenian king)
  • Nero (Roman emperor)
  • Ephesus (ancient Greek city)
  • The ancient Greek Olympics (Deviate episode)
  • Sagas of Icelanders (medieval narratives)
  • Alhambra (Islamic-era fortress in Spain)
  • Souvenir (book by Rolf Potts)
  • True Cross (crucifixion cross sought by medieval pilgrims)
  • Holy Prepuce (foreskin sought by medieval pilgrims)
  • Paris Writing Workshops (Rolf’s writing classes)
  • The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lumber.

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