Fame is messing with us, interfering with our ability to discern our next right thing because maybe we're waiting for the next big thing. What a singer, a cyclist, and a make-believe boss have to teach us about faithfulness, fame, and the gift of obscurity.

If it seems like the people around you are taking big steps while all yours feel small and inconsequential, listen in.

Visit thenextrightthingpodcast.com for show notes + a full transcript. Find me on instagram @emilypfreeman