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You’re not being “nice”—you’re lying for safety.

In this episode, Kelly sits down with feminine embodiment teacher and unapologetic truth-teller Perri Chase to expose the hidden cost of the fawning response—why it works, what it protects, and how it hijacks your nervous system, your relationships, and your sense of self.

Perri, creator of the transformational practice Sex Bomb and a leader in modern feminine awakening, brings a raw and riveting perspective to the conversation. Her work unpacks the addictive loop of shame, the villainization of women’s needs, and the subtle ways we betray ourselves daily under the guise of “being good.” With decades of lived experience, provocative teachings, and a sharp lens on spiritual bypassing and codependent dynamics, Perri doesn’t just talk embodiment—she lives it.

This is not your average empowerment episode. It’s a permission slip to stop performing, start feeling, and finally claim what you actually want.

You’ll Learn:

• How the fawning response rewires your nervous system to lie for safety
• Why shame can become a seductive, self-reinforcing addiction
• How to identify and interrupt codependent communication loops
• What sexual energy reveals about your capacity to hold intensity
• Why regulating your nervous system doesn’t always require slowing down
• How unmet needs mutate into people-pleasing and self-abandonment
• What “negative empathy” teaches about dissolving the victim-perpetrator split
• How to use sensation-based awareness to dissolve reactive patterns
• Why “being good” often masks an avoidance of boundaries and truth
• How to shift from external validation to internal energetic sovereignty

Timestamps:

[00:00] Introduction

[01:05] What the fawning response is and why it works

[04:52] The link between fawning and lying for safety

[10:50] The cost of being “nice” instead of honest

[13:40] How feminine awakening shifts priorities from safety to self

[16:42] The fear of chaos and suppression of feminine life force

[20:15] The difference between survival-driven tribes and conscious communities

[24:40] What a healthy masculine container feels like in partnership

[27:00] Shame as a wet blanket and addictive emotional loop

[33:50] Why “there are no victims” isn’t always useful

[36:25] Family constellation theory and the victim-perpetrator mirror

[43:00] Transitioning from mental awakening to body-based awakening

[45:35] How sexual energy helps regulate the nervous system from within

[48:50] The shift from managing thoughts to creating from stillness

[54:10] The danger of staying in relationships out of fear of loss

[56:50] Maturing into a woman who no longer needs to fight to be herself

[59:50] Breaking generational silence around female embodiment

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Resources Mentioned:

Orgasmic Meditation (OM) by OneTaste | Website

My Mother/My Self by Nancy Friday | Book

Family Constellation Therapy | Website

Pussy Map – women's sexuality and embodiment course by Perri Chase | Course

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