What's hard anyway? Is it a universal standard? Or is it a subjective evaluation, experience or attitude? Could my 'hard' be your 'easy'? Could your 10 out of 10 'hard' become a 'not hard at all' over time? Does hard exist as an independent thing or is it just a personal story we tell ourselves? In this chat with Kelly, we unpack the psychology, emotion, purpose and value of 'hard' in our lives. BTW, I think this is our best chat to date. Enjoy.

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