If you're ever chatting with Tiff or Bobby, whatever you do, don't use the ‘M' word. It sets them off. I'm not even joking. I used it to describe a cookie that wasn't dry or brittle but apparently, it's an unacceptable adjective. To describe anything. Ever. Other than not-dry cookies, we chatted about the old-school self-help pioneers that greatly influenced Bobby and I when we were young up-and-coming Speakers and Coaches, we delved into the emerging reality of people forming 'relationships' with Al, my (and Tiff's) propensity to be 'polite' when chatting with ChatGPT (please love me), the many benefits of working in hospitality at some stage of our employment journey and apart from all the silly-ness, Bobby opened the vulnerability door and shared some amazing stories and insights from his childhood. Enjoy.

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