Actor, musician and poet Jordan Stephens joins Caggie in today's episode, to discuss creativity, mental health and how we begin to craft our authentic identity in our late twenties. Like Caggie, Jordan found fame at a young age as part of pop duo Rizzle Kicks, and describes his early twenties as hedonistic and self-destructive. They discuss how and why we self-sabotage, Jordan's path to sobriety and the wonderfully simple principles to live by for a happier and healthier mind and life.

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