If you’ve ever watched your child struggle and felt that almost unbearable pull to step in, fix it, smooth it over, or make it disappear, this episode is for you. In this conversation, I sit down with author and parent coach Michelle Icard to explore why setbacks—real, uncomfortable, sometimes humiliating ones—are not detours from development but the very path toward adulthood.

Michelle joins me to talk about her latest book, Eight Setbacks That Can Make a Child a Success, and to unpack why adolescence is meant to include missteps, awkward experiments, and moments of regret. We explore rites of passage, identity formation, impression management, and the fine line between support and overprotection. Most importantly, we discuss how parents can respond when things go sideways in ways that build resilience rather than shame.

Episode Highlights:

[0:00] – Why we revert to old parenting habits, even when we know better
[2:06] – Why watching kids struggle is painful—and why that discomfort is necessary
[5:00] – Rites of passage: separating, stumbling, and reintegrating wiser
[9:46] – “Am I doing this for them, or for me?” A powerful parenting pause
[10:28] – Impression management: how teens hide, deflect, and protect their identity
[15:00] – Modeling mistakes out loud so kids can learn how adults process setbacks
[18:25] – Friend shifts, value testing, and why adolescence requires trial and error
[21:21] – Why insisting on values can backfire—and how to invite real conversation instead
[26:33] – Curiosity over correction when teens embrace rigid or controversial ideas
[30:52] – Why natural consequences are often enough—and why piling on rarely helps
[38:11] – Failure vs. setback: when disconnection becomes the real danger
[40:00] – Contain, Resolve, Evolve: a three-step model for responding to setbacks
[43:45] – Letting the bruise heal: why parents must eventually stop poking
[46:23] – The turkey story: a rite of passage, public shame, and lasting growth
[51:00] – The question parents answered almost unanimously: would you erase the hard years?

Links & Resources:

8 Setbacks That Can Make a Child a Success by Michelle Icard

Homesick and Happy by Michael Thompson

14 Talks by Age 14 by Michelle Icard

MichelleIcard.com

Erving Goffman: The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life 

Scott Galloway: Notes on Being a Man 

Sarah Rosensweet: Reimagine Peaceful Parenting 

Dr. Devorah Heitner: Mentoring Kids in a Connected World 

Dr. Lisa Damour: Untangling 10-20

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