In this powerful episode, I sit down with best-selling author, Pam Grout, to explore the profound journey of healing, love, and loss—and to discuss how, even in the darkest times, we can discover light and meaning.

Pam and I share a bond beyond our love for quantum physics and a belief in manifestation. We've both faced unimaginable losses: We both lost both our parents as well as a child. I lost my son Sammy, while Pam lost her daughter to a sudden aneurysm. We’ve walked through the pain of these losses and emerged with a sense of grace connection that feels almost otherworldly. We both agree that “lost” doesn’t feel quite right—our loved ones are gone, yet we still feel their presence, like gentle echoes guiding us forward.

Pam shares how completing A Course in Miracles after her daughter’s passing became a sanctuary and source of resilience, as writing has been for both of us. Together, we discuss how our work—whether through writing, teaching, or supporting others—has been shaped by these experiences. 

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Make sure to explore the E-Squared experiments on YouTube and dive into Pam’s insightful books:, E-Squared, E-Cubed, A Course in Miracles, and God Doesn't Have Bad Hair Days. You can also connect with Pam on her website for more inspiration. And don’t forget to check out all my courses and books on my website.

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