Do you see yourself as a creative person? Sure, not everyone can be a musician or a sculptor but I wonder if your answer would change if you considered all of the things you do that aren't typically thought of as 'art'. No matter how we choose to express ourselves creatively, it says something about who we are. In this episode of Sunday Sanctuary, you'll meet three people who's creative practices intersect with their spirituality in different ways.

First, Petra talks to musician Holly Arrowsmith. She very generously shares for the first time about how her sense of spirituality and her faith has changed over the last 10 years, and what that means for her music.

Producer Sam is out on assignment once again, this time to visit icon writer Michael Pervan. At the Studio of St John the Baptist on Auckland's North Shore, discover how rabbit skin glue and plaster of Paris combine to help make the distinctive seen in churches worldwide.

Lastly Petra talks with internationally award winning graffiti and street artist (or "imagineer", Janine Williams. Alongside husband Charles, she has an incredible story of following her passion from tagging fences as a teen to being paid to create works visible all over Tāmaki Makaurau.

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Awe

The moment of awe in this episode is part of 'Speaking Whale', an episode of Erica Heilman's podcast Rumble Strip. Huge thanks to Erica for letting us share it! Listen to the full interview here.

Sacred texts

• The Creative Act: A Way of Being by Rick Rubin
• Give yourself permission to be creative by Ethan Hawke (TED Talk). Watch it here.
• The songs featured in Holly's interview are Desert Dove, Autumn, and The Gardener. Keep an eye out for her new album next year!