We set up a false choice between pursuing creative work that you love, and maintaining a day job. In fact, some of the great artists, writers, thinkers, and scientists throughout history did their best work while simultaneously working a "day job". Today's guest, Adam Walker Phillips, has just released a mystery novel called The Silent Second. On this episode, we discuss the book, and how he managed to write and publish it while still having time for his family and his very successful career.

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Music for the AC podcast is by Joshua Seurkamp. Remix is by DJ Z-Trip.