Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers host “Pantsuit Politics,” a podcast where they take a different approach to the news. They used to be “Sarah from the left and Beth from the right” but over the last few years, some ideologies have changed…and even circled back again.

Get the first part of this conversation in Episode 77 of Becoming Church, “Sarah Steward Holland & Beth Silvers: Now What.” Then listen in as Sarah, Beth and Kristin talk about politics in the church, the separation of church and state, if we should be one issue voters or straight ballot party affiliates, what to do with Project 2025 and what to do with the idea that “God is still in control” when it comes to elections.

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Now What: How to Move Forward When We’re Divided (About Basically Everything) by Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers

I Think You’re Wrong (But I’m Listening): A guide to Grace-Filled Political Conversations by Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers

Listen to Beth’s deep dive of Project 2025 on Patreon.

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Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers host “Pantsuit Politics,” a podcast where they prioritize curiosity over the conflict that often drives political conversations. It is possible to have nuanced conversations about politics and faith, as Kristin, Beth and Sarah demonstrate in this interview.

This episode covers many topics found in their first book, “Now What: How to Move Forward when we’re Divided (About Basically Everything).” Sarah and Beth will help you navigate trust, friction in friendships, how to exist in a family when you no longer align in beliefs, what to do with bad church experiences and how to know if it’s right to go back to church.

We’ll finish this conversation in Episode 78 of Becoming Church, “Pantsuit Politics: I Think You’re Wrong, But I’m Listening.”

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Grab Sarah & Beth’s books from our Becoming Church resource list on Amazon! (Your purchase will also send a few pennies to our tithe box.)

Now What: How to Move Forward When We’re Divided (About Basically Everything) by Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers

I Think You’re Wrong (But I’m Listening): A guide to Grace-Filled Political Conversations by Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers

Listen to Beth’s deep dive of Project 2025 on Patreon.

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Lovely Palm had never left the country. Then she went to Uganda and found her sons and daughters. While her story is full of surprises and beautiful moments, there have also been some really devastating ones, which she shares with us in this episode. Lovelyn’s story is inspiring even if it doesn’t look like yours. Our hope is that it will help you see where God is present in yours, especially when it feels like He isn’t.

Lovelyn also educates us on the adoption system, how to talk to blended families, and things to consider when going to a developing country for adoption, travel or a mission trip.

If you need to talk to someone about a traumatic experience, here’s a list of national helplines that are available 24/7.

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Hospitality is not a gift that only certain people were given. Gentle hospitality is more about the way you live, which can be as simple as showing kindness to a stranger or taking care of the people around your table.

Liz Bell Young has a gorgeous book, “Let There Be Havens: An Invitation to Gentle Hospitality” that will show you how to find the things that wake up your soul…and then gift those same experiences to others.

Liz has the gift of seeing life through the lens of optimism while still looking the real world square into the face. This interview will help you exhale and find some peace even in the midst of a cluttered kitchen.

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Read Liz’s other beautiful words in the Magnolia Journal or Haven Magazine.

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Did you memorize Bible verses as a child for stickers, gold stars or chintzy prizes? Did you star as the lead role in a play or musical about Jesus? Did growing up in the church maybe accidentally teach you that God doesn’t need you to prove your worthiness or value…but He maybe wants you to?

Kim Stuart’s book Star for Jesus (And Other Jobs I Quit): Rediscovering the Grace that Sets Us Free will break the chains of religion and help you live in the free, undeserving grace of God that even the best of us can’t earn - because we really don’t have to.

This episode will teach you about doinks, use both hairspray and junior high dances as faith analogies, and will hopefully make you laugh until you cry (or cry until you laugh) just like the words in Kim’s book.

You get a gold star just for showing up, so all you have to do now is sit back and listen.

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If you like this episode, you’ll love Kim’s book Star for Jesus and Other Jobs I Quit. You can find it on our Book List along with other books from previous guests.

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To get the insider understanding on Nick Conolly and Mary Van Geffen (both mentioned in this episode), click their names to listen to their interviews on this podcast.

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If you’re intrigued by the idea that it’s not our job to save everyone, watch Kristin’s message: Hate the Sin, Love the Sinner. (Don’t worry, it’s not what you fear it is.)

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Whether you’re a worship leader or you make a joyful noise with your praise, award winning songwriter and producer KJ Scriven says there’s a place for your voice.

In this episode, KJ and Kristin scrutinize the ego of worship leaders, discuss how much lyrics matter and whether or not you should keep singing songs from churches that have gone through scandal.

BONUS: This interview took place on Juneteenth, and there’s a separate conversation available only on YouTube with KJ Scriven. You can find “Should Christians Celebrate Juneteenth,” and this entire conversation, on the MosaicChurchCLT page.

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Dig deeper into these scriptures:

Matthew 4

Ephesians 5

Revelation 4

Colossians 3

Nehemiah 10

Mark 1

Romans 10

Acts 2

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With her appeal and humor spanning the range of middle school to middle age, everyone will feel seen in this episode with Jami Nato. She pulls no punches and covers it all from perimenopause to spooning with Jesus to her relationship with the fundamental church. You will laugh, you will cry and you might leave with emotional whiplash, but you will certainly not be bored.

As you listen, think about a woman in your life who’s just trying to “fake it til you make it” as she tries to discover her purpose. Then send her this episode so can hear from God through Jami’s words on self-compassion, taking up space and living freely without hiding.

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Pick a recent news headline and the chances are, you have feelings about it. There’s someone in your life that you’re struggling to love through disagreement. You’re about ready to quit on social media altogether because every post feels like a landmine.

Ashlee Eiland recognizes all of the tension and complexity that’s wrapped around politics, theology and current events of today’s world. But when it’s easier to turn a blind eye or disassociate, Ashlee wants to call out your God given voice and teach you how to use it.

This conversation pulls some practical tips from her book, Say Good, as Ashlee and Kristin talk about the power of words, and when and how to use them.

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Say Good by Ashley Eiland

The Becoming Church list of resources

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How do you reflect Imago Dei?

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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:

Ephesians 3

Isaiah 58

John 17

2 Timothy 1

Ezekiel 37

Ephesians 4

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People can change, even the difficult ones. This is a fundamental belief of Shannan Martin, mostly because of the changes she’s seen in her own life. She went from a teen with the burden to “save the poor” to a candidate for City Council, actively creating change for her own neighbors to enrich the community she lives in.

Author of Start with Hello and The Ministry of Ordinary Spaces, Shannan Martin has lived experience that changed the black and white, fundamental way she viewed people. In this conversation, she’ll teach us how to do the same so we can lean in to proximity instead of pushing away or being afraid of people who might influence us for the worse.

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Start with Hello by Shannon Martin
The Ministry of Ordinary Spaces by Shannan Martin
I Think You’re Wrong but I’m Listening by Sarah Stewart Holland Beth Silvers
All Things Reconsidered: How Rethinking What We Know Helps Us Know What We Believe 

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Be Salty and Lit

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Church and State: A Healthy Partnership with Rich Villodas
Learning Immigration Laws with Bri Strensrud

 
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Humor and loss can coexist and Molly Stillman’s life shows us how in her memoir If I Don’t Laugh, I’ll Cry. After losing her mother, then squandering the quarter of a million dollar inheritance, life continued to bring experiences that made her both laugh and cry.

This episode explores how to have joy in the midst of grief, what God’s sense of humor is like, how to navigate complicated family relationships and how to focus on the people who choose to be in your life when others choose to walk away.

Content warning: As Molly shares her experiences, there is brief mention of death, depression, miscarriage - and vomit - but it’s also a really great conversation filled with hope, laughter and how to find joy in the midst of all of it.

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If I Don’t Laugh, I’ll Cry by Molly Stillman

Tired of Being Tired by Jess Connolly

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Kristin’s message on being an axolotl

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Breathing through Grief with Dorina Lazo Gilmore Young

The Bible is Funny with Anthony Ramos

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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:

Judges 3 (King Ehud’s violent bathroom break)

Proverbs 17:22

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