Welcome to This Glorious Mess Big Kids. A twice-weekly look at parenting as it really is - confusing, exhausting, inspiring, funny, and full of surprises. So many surprises!

Our kids ask us all the time - can I quit? 

But do we let them? 

Attitudes around quitting seem to be changing, 'winners never quit' doesn't resonate like it used to. Pro athletes like Naomi Osaka and Simone Biles have showcased this year that, winners can quit.

So what does that mean for us parents? Are our kids allowed to be quitters? 

Plus, on parenting mentors - how do you make friends at the school gate? 

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