In this week's episode, we're revisiting a powerful conversation that originally aired back in 2015 — one that feels even more relevant today. Brené Brown joined me to talk about courage, connection, and what it really means to find true belonging in a divided world. Her insights on creativity, loneliness, and the power of standing alone have only become more urgent as we navigate today's culture of comparison and noise.

Since our original conversation, Brené has continued to expand this body of work through her bestselling books — including Atlas of the Heart and Dare to Lead — and her podcasts Unlocking Us and Dare to Lead. She remains one of the most trusted and transformative voices on leadership, belonging, and vulnerability in the modern era.

Whether you're hearing Brené for the first time or revisiting an old favorite, this episode is a reminder that belonging isn't something we negotiate with the world — it's something we carry within us. It's about having the courage to stand alone, create from your truth, and use your art to help others feel seen and connected.

Some highlights we explore:

• Why true belonging starts within — and how creatives can hold space for both solitude and connection.
• How art transforms loneliness into shared humanity and despair into hope.
• The four practices of true belonging — from speaking truth to BS (with civility) to holding hands with strangers.
• Why every creative must be willing to be misunderstood and stand alone in the wilderness.
• How boundaries and self-worth protect your creative energy and integrity.

This conversation reminds us that the path to connection begins with courage — the courage to show up, tell the truth, and make something real. As Brené says: "Stop walking through the world looking for confirmation that you don't belong… because you will always find it."

Enjoy the revisit!