【聊了什么 The What】

本期《残言片语》特别活动开启啦！我们将送出《破形记：童话内外，那些残障之身》一书，共 6 本，两种方式参与：

这是一本带我们重新进入童话深处的书：为什么童话中的残障角色，不是被塑造成反派，就是等待拯救的对象？为何这些经典故事会深刻影响我们现代人对“健全”“美”“善恶”的理解？本期节目中，主播仁慈与八如邀请到《破形记》译者张书嘉老师，一起讨论那些被忽视的残障元素与隐喻。当残障者讲述自己的童话，故事会如何改变？让我们一起想象一种属于新世纪、能够容纳多元身体与多样结局的童话世界。

**This episode of Disabled Talks comes with a special giveaway! **

We’re giving away six copies of "Disfigured: On Fairy Tales, Disability, and Making Space". You can enter in two ways:

Hosts Mercy and Baru speak with Shujia Zhang, translator of Disfigured: On Fairy Tales, Disability, and Making Space, to explore the overlooked disability metaphors embedded in classic tales. What happens when disabled storytellers reclaim and rewrite these narratives? Together, let’s journey into the depths of fairy tales and imagine a new century of stories—ones that embrace diverse bodies and many possible endings.

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【我们是谁 Who We Are】

残言片语是一档用残障视角看主流问题的中文播客。残障是人类无法逃避的脆弱性问题，我们致力于在日常生活和社会热点中搜寻被忽视的残障视角，期待和观众一起挑战刻板印象，打击健全中心主义（Ableism），从而真诚地感知、理解、创造自己与世界。

“Disabled Talks” is a Chinese podcast that explores mainstream issues through a disability lens, recognizing disability as an unavoidable aspect of human vulnerability often overlooked in mainstream discussions. Our mission is to uncover overlooked disability perspectives in everyday life and current events, challenge stereotypes, combat ableism alongside our audience, and foster genuine ways to perceive, understand, and shape ourselves and the world. Join us in reimagining societal narratives through the vital prism of disability experience.

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几天前，台湾歌手郑智化在社交平台发文，称在深圳宝安机场因无障碍服务缺失，导致自己“连滚带爬”地登机，引发网友热议。初期大家纷纷声援，但随着一则剪辑过的视频曝光，舆论风向却急转直下。这期播客中，仁慈邀请了轮椅使用者大程子和盲人音乐家孔铭，三位残障者从自己的真实出行经验出发，讨论了“轮椅进不了机舱”“盲人被强制坐轮椅”“导盲犬过安检”“机场安检缺乏尊严”等多个极具现实张力的议题。节目的对话不只是关于愤怒，更在于揭示制度背后的冷漠与困境，以及在日常出行中如何争取更体面、更普惠的无障碍服务。

为什么国内机场轮椅上不了飞机的现象仍然普遍存在？当残障服务变成“形式主义”，谁来决定残障者的行动方式？为什么一个坡道的缺失，能够成为登机过程中的“生死鸿沟”？网友对“措辞”的敏感是否掩盖了对“权利”的漠视？

A few days ago, Taiwanese singer Zheng Zhihua posted on Weibo criticizing Shenzhen Bao’an Airport for failing to provide accessible boarding for disabled passengers. He described having to “crawl and roll” onto the plane—an account that first gained public sympathy but quickly turned controversial after an edited video surfaced online.

In this episode, host Renci is joined by Da Chengzi, a wheelchair user and video creator, and Kong Ming, a blind musician with a guide dog. Together, they unpack the deeper issues behind the viral incident, sharing personal stories and sharp observations about disability, dignity, and public infrastructure. From wheelchair inaccessibility to forced assistance for blind travelers, the conversation goes far beyond this single case—it's about the everyday friction faced by disabled individuals in supposedly public spaces.

Why is wheelchair inaccessibility still so common in Chinese airports? When accessibility services become rigid protocols, who gets to decide how disabled people move? How can the absence of something as simple as a metal ramp become a critical barrier? Is the online obsession with language and tone a way to avoid confronting structural inequality?

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【我们是谁 Who We Are】

残言片语是一档用残障视角看主流问题的中文播客。残障是人类无法逃避的脆弱性问题，我们致力于在日常生活和社会热点中搜寻被忽视的残障视角，期待和观众一起挑战刻板印象，打击健全中心主义（Ableism），从而真诚地感知、理解、创造自己与世界。

“Disabled Talks” is a Chinese podcast that explores mainstream issues through a disability lens, recognizing disability as an unavoidable aspect of human vulnerability often overlooked in mainstream discussions. Our mission is to uncover overlooked disability perspectives in everyday life and current events, challenge stereotypes, combat ableism alongside our audience, and foster genuine ways to perceive, understand, and shape ourselves and the world. Join us in reimagining societal narratives through the vital prism of disability experience.

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【聊了什么 The What】

这一期，主播仁慈邀请了三位有导盲犬经验的视力障碍朋友，一起聊聊关于导盲犬的那些真实与误解。节目一开始，嘉宾就澄清了一个常见误区——盲人会用手机导航，而导盲犬的主要功能是带领盲人避开障碍，而不是导航。基于视障者的生活经验，他们讨论了为什么各种“高科技助残产品”都无法真正取代导盲犬的作用，也谈到在中国、美国和德国，培养导盲犬为什么都如此昂贵。节目还探讨了一个重要的问题——为什么在任何情况下把导盲犬和主人分开都是不人道的。最后，他们从“带导盲犬爬泰山”这一事件出发，反思导盲犬的权利究竟由谁来保障。如果你想了解导盲犬背后的真实世界，这一期节目就够了！

In this episode, host Mercy invites three visually impaired guests who have experience working with guide dogs to talk about the realities and misconceptions surrounding them. The conversation begins by clarifying a common misunderstanding—blind people can use smartphones for navigation, while the main function of a guide dog is to help its handler avoid obstacles, not to navigate. Drawing from their lived experiences, the guests discuss why various “high-tech assistive devices” can never truly replace guide dogs, and why training guide dogs is so costly in China, the United States, and Germany alike. They also explore an important question—why separating a guide dog from its handler under any circumstances is considered inhumane. Finally, starting from the incident of a person climbing Mount Tai with a guide dog, they reflect on who should be responsible for protecting guide dogs’ rights. If you want to understand the real world behind guide dogs, this episode is all you need.

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【我们是谁 Who We Are】

残言片语是一档用残障视角看主流问题的中文播客。残障是人类无法逃避的脆弱性问题，我们致力于在日常生活和社会热点中搜寻被忽视的残障视角，期待和观众一起挑战刻板印象，打击健全中心主义（Ableism），从而真诚地感知、理解、创造自己与世界。

“Disabled Talks” is a Chinese podcast that explores mainstream issues through a disability lens, recognizing disability as an unavoidable aspect of human vulnerability often overlooked in mainstream discussions. Our mission is to uncover overlooked disability perspectives in everyday life and current events, challenge stereotypes, combat ableism alongside our audience, and foster genuine ways to perceive, understand, and shape ourselves and the world. Join us in reimagining societal narratives through the vital prism of disability experience.

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拜托了同志们，残障叙事可不可以先倒掉鸡汤再谈影视美学？本期节目，仁慈和八如聚焦四字弟弟主演的《小小的我》以及迪士尼大电影《听见颜色的女孩》(Out of My Mind) 的观影体验，通过“理性”批判讨论两部电影对脑麻患者日常的不同呈现，火热探讨残障角色在大众电影中的形象和叙事。残障选角请优先残障演员！残障选角请优先残障演员！残障选角请优先残障演员！重要的事情说三遍。好故事不轻易，灵感不等于你可以随手贴个“残障标签”。欢迎粉丝听友来杠！

Please, comrades, can we dump the inspirational schmaltz before we discuss film aesthetics in disability narratives? In this episode, Renci and Baru focus on "Little Me" starring Four-Character Brother and Disney's "Out of My Mind," examining their viewing experiences and "rationally" critiquing how these two films present different portrayals of daily life for people with cerebral palsy. We hotly debate the image and narrative of disabled characters in mainstream cinema. Cast disabled actors for disabled roles! Cast disabled actors for disabled roles! Cast disabled actors for disabled roles! Important things bear repeating. Good stories aren't easy—inspiration doesn't mean you can just slap on a "disability label" at random.

Fans and listeners, bring on the debate!

【时间轴 The When】

【我们是谁 Who We Are】

残言片语是一档用残障视角看主流问题的中文播客。残障是人类无法逃避的脆弱性问题，我们致力于在日常生活和社会热点中搜寻被忽视的残障视角，期待和观众一起挑战刻板印象，打击健全中心主义（Ableism），从而真诚地感知、理解、创造自己与世界。

“Disabled Talks” is a Chinese podcast that explores mainstream issues through a disability lens, recognizing disability as an unavoidable aspect of human vulnerability often overlooked in mainstream discussions. Our mission is to uncover overlooked disability perspectives in everyday life and current events, challenge stereotypes, combat ableism alongside our audience, and foster genuine ways to perceive, understand, and shape ourselves and the world. Join us in reimagining societal narratives through the vital prism of disability experience.

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【聊了什么 The What】

你看过蕾哈娜超级碗表演中那位“抢镜”的手语翻译吗？为什么一个韩国男团的MV里会出现美国手语？本期残言片语，我们聊聊流行文化中那些引人注目的手语时刻，以及它们背后的故事。主播从一次追星经历聊起：去演唱会，我们追求的究竟是完美的音准，还是那种共享的氛围和情感体验？以此为切入点，我们深入探讨了聋人群体如何通过视觉、震动和情感共鸣，享受一场场音乐盛宴。从聋人艺术家Justina Miles如何将Rap的“态度”融入表情和动作，到Cardi B《WAP》露骨歌词的手语演绎为何带来别样的“视觉震撼”，我们剖析音乐是如何超越听觉，成为一种立体的、充满张力的身体表演艺术。

Have you seen the viral sign language interpreter from Rihanna’s Super Bowl performance? And why would a K-pop boy band’s music video feature American Sign Language (ASL)? In this episode, we talk about those striking sign-language moments in pop culture and the stories behind them.

When we go to concerts, are we chasing flawless pitch—or that shared atmosphere and emotional experience? How do members of the Deaf community enjoy a musical feast through visuals, vibration, and emotional resonance? From how Deaf artist Justina Miles infuses rap “attitude” into facial expressions and movement, to why the ASL performance of Cardi B’s “WAP” turns its explicit lyrics into a different kind of “visual shock,” we examine how music transcends hearing to become a multidimensional, physically charged performing art.

【时间轴 The When】

【我们是谁 Who We Are】

残言片语是一档用残障视角看主流问题的中文播客。残障是人类无法逃避的脆弱性问题，我们致力于在日常生活和社会热点中搜寻被忽视的残障视角，期待和观众一起挑战刻板印象，打击健全中心主义（Ableism），从而真诚地感知、理解、创造自己与世界。

“Disabled Talks” is a Chinese podcast that explores mainstream issues through a disability lens, recognizing disability as an unavoidable aspect of human vulnerability often overlooked in mainstream discussions. Our mission is to uncover overlooked disability perspectives in everyday life and current events, challenge stereotypes, combat ableism alongside our audience, and foster genuine ways to perceive, understand, and shape ourselves and the world. Join us in reimagining societal narratives through the vital prism of disability experience.

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【聊了什么 The What】

你看过蕾哈娜(Rihanna)超级碗表演中那位“抢镜”的手语翻译吗？为什么一个韩国男团的MV里会出现美国手语？本期节目，我们聊聊流行文化中那些引人注目的手语时刻，以及它们背后的故事。去演唱会，我们追求的究竟是完美的音准，还是那种共享的氛围和情感体验？聋人群体如何通过视觉、震动和情感共鸣，享受一场场音乐盛宴？从聋人艺术家Justina Miles如何将Rap的“态度”融入表情和动作，到Cardi B《WAP》露骨歌词的手语演绎为何带来别样的“视觉震撼”，我们剖析音乐是如何超越听觉，成为一种立体的、充满张力的身体表演艺术。

Have you seen the sign language interpreter from Rihanna’s Super Bowl performance? And why would a K-pop boy band’s music video feature American Sign Language (ASL)? In this episode, we talk about those striking sign-language moments in pop culture and the stories behind them.

When we go to concerts, are we chasing flawless pitch—or that shared atmosphere and emotional experience? How do members of the Deaf community enjoy a musical feast through visuals, vibration, and emotional resonance? From how Deaf artist Justina Miles infuses rap “attitude” into facial expressions and movement, to why the ASL performance of Cardi B’s “WAP” turns its explicit lyrics into a different kind of “visual shock,” we examine how music transcends hearing to become a multidimensional, physically charged performing art.

【时间轴 The When】

02:03 - “聋人”与“音乐”这两个概念如何并存

02:03 – How the concepts of “Deaf” and “music” can coexist

【我们是谁 Who We Are】

残言片语是一档用残障视角看主流问题的中文播客。残障是人类无法逃避的脆弱性问题，我们致力于在日常生活和社会热点中搜寻被忽视的残障视角，期待和观众一起挑战刻板印象，打击健全中心主义（Ableism），从而真诚地感知、理解、创造自己与世界。

“Disabled Talks” is a Chinese podcast that explores mainstream issues through a disability lens, recognizing disability as an unavoidable aspect of human vulnerability often overlooked in mainstream discussions. Our mission is to uncover overlooked disability perspectives in everyday life and current events, challenge stereotypes, combat ableism alongside our audience, and foster genuine ways to perceive, understand, and shape ourselves and the world. Join us in reimagining societal narratives through the vital prism of disability experience.

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【聊了什么 The What】

本期节目，仁慈和八如邀请了正在纽约念法学院的钟老师，共同解构最近一跃成为美国政客和媒体热词的DEIA政策（多元，平等，包容，无障碍）。为什么一提到DEIA就有人破防？残障者、跨性别者、移民到底在这场身份政治中扮演了什么角色？精英是怎么把DEIA政策搞成门面工程，而保守派又是如何靠“狗哨政治”忽悠选民？让我们从残障者的真实处境出发，重新打开对多元政策的理解。

In this episode, hosts Mercy and Baru are joined by Zhong, a current law student in New York, to unpack the DEIA policy—Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Accessibility—which has recently become a buzzword among U.S. politicians and media. Why does DEIA trigger such strong reactions? What roles do disabled people, transgender individuals, and immigrants play in this game of identity politics? How have elites turned DEIA into a performative showpiece, and how are conservatives using “dog-whistle politics” to manipulate public opinion?

【时间轴 The When】

【我们是谁 Who We Are】

残言片语是一档用残障视角看主流问题的中文播客。残障是人类无法逃避的脆弱性问题，我们致力于在日常生活和社会热点中搜寻被忽视的残障视角，期待和观众一起挑战刻板印象，打击健全中心主义（Ableism），从而真诚地感知、理解、创造自己与世界。

“Disabled Talks” is a Chinese podcast that explores mainstream issues through a disability lens, recognizing disability as an unavoidable aspect of human vulnerability often overlooked in mainstream discussions. Our mission is to uncover overlooked disability perspectives in everyday life and current events, challenge stereotypes, combat ableism alongside our audience, and foster genuine ways to perceive, understand, and shape ourselves and the world. Join us in reimagining societal narratives through the vital prism of disability experience.

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【聊了什么 The What】

在这期新年碎碎碎碎念中，主播八如和仁慈从睡眠谣言聊到工作与生活的切割术，穿越冥想，最终汇报了各自的新年愿望。记得锁定下一期，继续感受一边残言片语，一边狠嚼硬核干货。

In this New Year's rambling episode, hosts Ba Ru and Mercy dive into everything from sleep myths to the art of work-life severance, take a detour through meditation, and finally share their New Year's resolutions. Stay tuned for the next episode—where casual banter meets hardcore insights!

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00:01:41 希望自己变得更懒一点——这也能算新年目标？

00:02:50 八小时睡眠是骗人的，复习睡眠需求和周期理论

00:05:57 接受自己的低能量时刻，如何高效地工作和休息

00:08:51 讨论工作和生活的Severance，如何不被工作绑架

00:10:59 冥想是焦虑主播们的救星

00:23:45 主播们慢慢成长的新年愿望

00:30:16 仁慈主播计划夏季前往加州旅行，讨论旅行与个人成长的关系

00:39:42 终结碎碎碎碎碎念，下一期继续干货满满

00:01:41 Hoping to become lazier—Can this really be a New Year's resolution?

00:02:50 The "8-hour sleep rule" is a lie! Reviewing sleep needs and cycle theories.

00:05:57 Accepting low-energy moments—how to work and rest efficiently.

00:08:51 Discussing work-life "Severance"—how not to be enslaved by your job.

00:10:59 Meditation: The ultimate savior for anxious podcast hosts.

00:23:45 The hosts' slowly evolving New Year's resolutions.

00:30:16 The kind-hearted host plans a summer trip to California—discussing travel and personal growth.

00:39:42 Wrapping up the endless rambling—next episode will be packed with solid content!

【我们是谁 Who We Are】

残言片语是一档用残障视角看主流问题的中文播客。残障是人类无法逃避的脆弱性问题，我们致力于在日常生活和社会热点中搜寻被忽视的残障视角，期待和观众一起挑战刻板印象，打击健全中心主义（Ableism），从而真诚地感知、理解、创造自己与世界。

“Disabled Talks” is a Chinese podcast that explores mainstream issues through a disability lens, recognizing disability as an unavoidable aspect of human vulnerability often overlooked in mainstream discussions. Our mission is to uncover overlooked disability perspectives in everyday life and current events, challenge stereotypes, combat ableism alongside our audience, and foster genuine ways to perceive, understand, and shape ourselves and the world. Join us in reimagining societal narratives through the vital prism of disability experience.

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当我们热烈讨论"有尊严地死去"的权利时，是否曾停下来思考，有多少人尚未获得"有尊严地活着"的条件？在当代政治与伦理的激辩场上，安乐死权利被包装为自由与选择的象征，但在一个对残障理解不足的社会里，这种自由选择是否真的如表面般简单？

When we passionately debate the right to “die with dignity,” have we ever paused to ask how many people still lack the conditions to “live with dignity”? In the contemporary arena of political and ethical debates, the right to euthanasia is often presented as a symbol of freedom and personal choice. But in a society that lacks a thorough understanding of disability, is that freedom and choice really as straightforward as it seems?

【时间轴 The When】

【我们是谁 Who We Are】

残言片语是一档用残障视角看主流问题的中文播客。残障是人类无法逃避的脆弱性问题，我们致力于在日常生活和社会热点中搜寻被忽视的残障视角，期待和观众一起挑战刻板印象，打击健全中心主义（Ableism），从而真诚地感知、理解、创造自己与世界。

“Disabled Talks” is a Chinese podcast that explores mainstream issues through a disability lens, recognizing disability as an unavoidable aspect of human vulnerability often overlooked in mainstream discussions. Our mission is to uncover overlooked disability perspectives in everyday life and current events, challenge stereotypes, combat ableism alongside our audience, and foster genuine ways to perceive, understand, and shape ourselves and the world. Join us in reimagining societal narratives through the vital prism of disability experience.

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This episode is a collaboration with the podcast “城市罐头”.

Click here for this episode’s transcript

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【我们是谁 Who We Are】

残言片语是一档用残障视角看主流问题的中文播客。残障是人类无法逃避的脆弱性问题，我们致力于在日常生活和社会热点中搜寻被忽视的残障视角，期待和观众一起挑战刻板印象，打击健全中心主义（Ableism），从而真诚地感知、理解、创造自己与世界。

“Disabled Talks” is a Chinese podcast that explores mainstream issues through a disability lens, recognizing disability as an unavoidable aspect of human vulnerability often overlooked in mainstream discussions. Our mission is to uncover overlooked disability perspectives in everyday life and current events, challenge stereotypes, combat ableism alongside our audience, and foster genuine ways to perceive, understand, and shape ourselves and the world. Join us in reimagining societal narratives through the vital prism of disability experience.

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