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从扫腿舞到“宝宝上车啦”，从《万物生》到《溯》，最近只要刷过短视频，基本都被这几首团播神曲洗脑过。和传统的单人直播不一样，团播把帅哥美女放在同一个画面里，一起跳舞、互动、PK，更像一档随时在直播的偶像综艺。

从这期节目开始，我们想要和大家多聊聊我们三个共同关注到的互联网现象。第一次尝试，就从团播为什么这么火聊起。主播怎么被训练和安排，观众为什么愿意持续打赏，平台规则又在其中起到了什么作用？我们也会聊到团播和日韩偶像选秀之间的相似之处，以及“养成系”粉丝关系在直播间里是怎么被放大的。通过团播，或许我们能看到的是，在经济下行、注意力经济当道的大背景下，亲密感和陪伴感是否被赋予了新的意义。

From leg-sweep dances to catchphrases like “Baby, hop on,” and from All Things Grow to Backflow (N.B. all of these are too Chinese to translate), anyone who’s scrolled through short-video apps lately has likely had these group-streaming hits stuck in their head. Unlike traditional solo livestreams, group streaming features multiple attractive hosts in the same frame—dancing together, interacting, and competing in real-time—feeling more like an idol variety show that never goes off air.

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大家好，我是从火人节回来的一闻，我已经蜕变了（不是。

从黑石城回来的那一天，我在新新人类群聊里说：“朋友们，不幸的消息：这大概是我这辈子过的最棒的一周。”

在诸多主流叙事中，每年八月底在美国内华达州举办的火人节（Burning Man），就是一场放任自由主义（Libertarianism）的精英狂欢。我过去也因为它和硅谷之间的精神与文化纽带，对它有过先入为主的成见。而如果你告诉去年的我，我会在沙漠里坚持八天不洗澡，我一定不会相信。但事实上，在这一周里，我放声痛哭过，也开怀大笑过。我在燃烧的熊熊烈火中，看到了让灵魂为之颤栗的景象。在狂风暴雨之间，我也感受到了人与人之间最简单、真诚和美好的联系。这一切，都彻底改变了我对火人节的印象。

但在我们聊黑石城的魔幻与灵性的同时，我们也不可避免的要提到这场起源于嬉皮士精神的活动在逐渐主流化、现代化的过程中所经历的变化。在这期播客中，我们探讨了资本主义逻辑之下“假期”的概念，与建立乌托邦所需要的经济成本。安蕤也分享了她所经历的一次位于黑山的生活实验，引发了我们对于社群建构的探讨。为什么这些精神实验总有一个截止日期？在控制变量环境下，人与人之间的善意，又是否能被带回现实世界？

Hi everyone, this is Yiwen reporting back from Burning Man.

The day I returned from Black Rock City, I wrote in our Pixel Perfect group chat: “Friends, I regret to report that this may actually be the best week of my life.” In mainstream narratives, Burning Man — held every late August in Nevada’s desert — is often seen as an elitist playground for libertarianists. I used to think the same, especially because of its deep cultural and spiritual ties with Silicon Valley. And if you had told me last year that I’d spend eight days in the desert without showering, I would never have believed you. Yet over that week, I cried my eyes out, laughed until my stomach hurt, and stood before burning flames that made my soul tremble. In the middle of storms and rain, I also felt the most simple, genuine, and beautiful forms of human connection. All of this completely changed my view of Burning Man.

But alongside the magic and spirituality of Black Rock City, we can’t avoid talking about how this countercultural gathering — rooted in hippie ideals — has evolved as it’s become more mainstream and modernized. In this episode, we explore the idea of “vacation” under capitalism and the economic cost of creating utopias. Anrui also shares her experience living in a temporary community during Zuzalu, which sparked our discussion on intentional community building. Why do these social experiments always have an expiration date? And in a controlled environment, can the kindness people show each other actually be carried back into the real world?

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他是 1997 年出生的硅谷新贵，28 岁就坐上了 Meta 首席 AI 官的位置。Alexandr Wang 从 MIT 辍学创业，到打造独角兽 Scale AI，一路高歌猛进。但相比履历，他的性格更耐人寻味：既是奥赛极客，又是派对常客；他不仅在硅谷的人脉网络中游刃有余，还在更为传统、精英的华盛顿为公司争取来了国防合同。同时，他也提出了争议极大的MEI（能力、卓越、智慧）招聘原则——这究竟是出于真心，还是精心的权力游戏？

本期，我们请到了Scale AI早期员工小蒋，透过第一手经历，聊聊这位“机会主义者”如何在极客与政客之间切换，在硅谷风口中找到属于自己的位置。

更正：节目中提到Meta Superintelligence Labs更名为TBD Lab，根据最新报道，TBD Lab是Meta Superintelligence Labs的一个部门

He is a rising star of Silicon Valley, born in 1997 and already serving as Meta’s Chief AI Officer at just 28. From dropping out of MIT to founding the unicorn Scale AI, Alexandr Wang’s ascent has been nothing short of meteoric. But beyond the dazzling résumé, his personality is far more intriguing: both an Olympiad geek and a party regular; equally adept at navigating Silicon Valley’s social networks and lobbying the more traditional, elite circles of Washington to secure defense contracts. He also introduced the highly controversial MEI (Merit, Excellence, Intelligence) hiring principle—was this a genuine belief, or a calculated power play?

In this episode, we’re joined by Xiao Jiang, an early employee of Scale AI, who shares first-hand stories about how this “opportunist” moves fluidly between geeks and politicians, carving out his place at the very heart of Silicon Valley’s AI boom.

Correction: The program mentioned that Meta Superintelligence Labs was renamed to TBD Lab. According to the latest reports, TBD Lab is a division of Meta Superintelligence Labs.

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当你的Twitter feed成精，会拍出一部怎样的电影？答案就是HBO的新电影《Mountainhead》。

本期节目，我们和疲惫娇娃和美轮美换共同畅聊这部《继承之战》导演的最新力作。雪山豪宅里的四个科技巨头，一边俯瞰着因自家AI而陷入动荡的世界，一边上演着堪比现实硅谷大佬群聊的扯皮与交锋。为什么说这部电影像是“All-in Podcast”成了精？四个主角如何分别对应现实中的硅谷大佬们？当硅谷tech bro提起“有效加速主义”（E/acc）、创始人主权（Founder Sovereignty）与“大教堂”（The Cathedral）黑话时，他们到底在说什么？改变世界的宏愿如何一步步成为“想当皇帝”的委婉表达？如何用第一性原理重新发明公交车？

What kind of movie would your Twitter feed make if it came to life?

In this episode, we team up with our friends at 疲惫娇娃CyberPink and 美轮美换 American Roulette to dive into the latest work by the director of Succession. Set in a luxurious alpine mansion, the film follows four tech moguls as they gaze down at a world spiraling into chaos—thanks to their own AI creations—while engaging in arguments and power plays that feel eerily reminiscent of a real-life Silicon Valley group chat. Why does this film feel like the All-In Podcast personified? Which of the four characters map onto real-world tech titans? And when these Silicon Valley tech bros throw around buzzwords like "Effective Accelerationism (E/acc)," "Founder Sovereignty," and "The Cathedral"—what are they really talking about? How do lofty ambitions to "change the world" morph into thinly veiled power grabs? And what does it mean to reinvent public transportation from first principles?

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在这期节目中，新新人类探讨了硅谷文化的右转现象，重点关注了一个显著征兆："恶德信号"。

如果说 Virtue Signaling 是将"政治正确"公开展示，并在硅谷的右转浪潮中遭到反噬，那么 Vice Signaling ——恶德信号—— 则是高举"我不善良，但真实"的旗帜。在加速主义笼罩下的硅谷，"理性崇拜"、恶德展示和"赛博雄性"已成为主流文化。节目通过分析特朗普、马斯克、Mark Zuckerberg 的 bad-boy makeover，Bryan Johnson刻意营造的"吸血鬼"式的biohacking，以及基因编辑狂人贺建奎在X平台的表演，深入解读了当代硅谷的时代情绪。另外和大家说一句：这期节目是六月份录制的，很多事件都经历了变化，这些变化也在默默证实这期节目当中我们讨论到的"恶德信号"的现象。

In this episode, Pixel Perfect discusses Silicon Valley's rightward cultural shift, focusing on a notable phenomenon: "vice signaling."

While virtue signaling is about publicly displaying "political correctness" - which has faced backlash amid Silicon Valley's rightward wave - vice signaling raises the banner of "I'm not virtuous, but I'm authentic." Under the shadow of effective accelerationism (e/acc), Silicon Valley's mainstream culture has become dominated by rationality worship, vice signaling, and cyber masculinity. The show provides an in-depth analysis of the contemporary Silicon Valley zeitgeist through examining Trump, Musk, and Mark Zuckerberg's bad-boy makeover, Bryan Johnson's deliberately cultivated "vampire-like" biohacking, and gene-editing maverick He Jiankui's performances on X platform.

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00:02:39 主播抛出 Vice Signaling 概念

00:19:47 Mark Zuckerberg：从书呆子程序员到金链子的 180° 转弯

00:22:08 Bryan Johnson：吸血鬼式长生实验与 “Don’t Die” 哲学

00:28:14 雄性文化 & 贺建奎：当疯狂科学家遇上社媒表演，贺建奎 X 自导 “反派叙事”

00:50:02 Peter Thiel: Vice Signaling 投资教父现身

01:09:46 旧金山那些充满黑话的广告牌：恶德展示的平台、只跟 AI 圈内人说话

01:14:25 有效加速主义的乌托邦

00:02:39 Hosts introduce the concept of Vice Signaling

00:19:47 Mark Zuckerberg: A 180° turn from nerdy programmer to gold chain wearer

00:22:08 Bryan Johnson: Vampire-like longevity experiments and the "Don't Die" philosophy

00:28:14 Masculinity Culture & He Jiankui: When mad scientists meet social media performance, He Jiankui's self-directed "villain narrative"

00:50:02 Peter Thiel: The godfather of Vice Signaling appears

01:09:46 San Francisco's cryptic billboards: A platform for displaying vices, speaking only to AI insiders

01:14:25 The utopia of effective accelerationism

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Meet Cathy Tie, Bride of “China’s Frankenstein”: The creator of CRISPR babies is flirting again with infamy, this time through a mysterious alliance with an Internet-savvy entrepreneur.

The Wink from Tech Billboards: From Elizabeth Holmes's haunting return to AI-jargon and vice-signaling, Bay Area billboards have become a coded language for a tech world in flux

Genes for Memes: He Jiankui and gene editing fantasies

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上一期聊中国工厂背后的全球化逆流打开了几位主播的话匣子，身处在动荡、多变的当下，我们越来越多看到同龄的新新人类开始陷入怀旧的情绪：从小时候观看奥运会和世博会的懵懂的激动，到互联网如何打开我们探索世界的大门，那个时代好像有一种开放、灿烂、向全世界问好的基调。朴树在千禧年写下“穿新衣吧，剪新发型呀。轻松一下，Windows 98”，却在2017年把这首歌改写成“时光不再，已不是我们的世界。它早已物是人非，让人崩溃意冷心灰”，去看看这两首歌的评论区，你就会看到大家都能感受到同样的集体情绪。

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本期节目迎来了特邀嘉宾——在第一线深入报道多家中资工厂出海故事的记者 Viola Zhou。这次，她刚刚从密歇根小镇Big Rapids回来，探访争议漩涡中的国轩高科（Gotion）电池厂。这个偏僻保守的小镇如何被一座中国电池厂搅动？为什么反对声浪不绝于耳，厂长却受到州政府热情接待？工厂管理者、工人、政客和普通居民，又在这场全球制造的再分配中扮演着什么角色？除了Gotion之外，Viola还分享了她去采访台积电亚利桑那工厂，以及富士康印度工厂的所见所闻。

我们从特朗普最新的关税政策谈起，一路聊到中美制造业从双向奔赴走向理想幻灭的故事。美国的“再工业化”离不开中国制造业的反向输出，更是一场效率与价值观的拔河。我们也聊到了这背后美国对“中国效率”的矛盾心理：一边想要复制，一边又排斥它背后的代价。在“Made in America”与“Built by China”的夹缝之间，工厂成了一种文化意象——它既承载希望，也埋藏幻觉。

This episode features special guest Viola Zhou, a journalist who’s spent years reporting from the frontlines of Chinese factories going global. Fresh off a trip to Big Rapids, Michigan, she shares what she saw at the center of the Gotion battery plant controversy. How did a small conservative town become a geopolitical flashpoint? Why is factory exec Chuck Thelen eating a battery on camera? Who are the “No Gos” protesting the plant—and why are state officials embracing it? From managers to residents, we unpack the roles each plays in this global industrial drama. Viola also reflects on her visits to TSMC’s Arizona plants and Foxconn’s factories in India.

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谁不想有七个男朋友呢？

在讨论AI如何提供情绪价值的同时，我们也探讨了AI陪伴产品存在的道德风险。明星初创公司character.ai在2024年就面临了多次诉讼，律师指控其聊天机器人在与未成年人的对话中的产生涉及自杀的内容。AI陪伴的边界究竟在哪里？我们在赛博空间中产生的真情实感，应该何去何从？

在节目的结尾，我们也邀请神秘嘉宾和大家打了招呼。也和我们一起分享你的AI陪伴故事吧！

Who wouldn’t want seven boyfriends? (Just kidding.) While most of us probably wouldn’t—and shouldn’t—have seven real-life partners (I mean, chatting with seven people at once sounds exhausting and like a recipe for disaster), today’s AI tools have given us a way to interact with multiple personalities in the digital world. From voice-enabled large language models to a growing number of AI companionship apps, many of us have found ourselves opening up a chatbot window late at night. What needs are these AI companions fulfilling that real-life therapists or partners might not? From jailbreak tutorials on Xiaohongshu to 3D-bodied “virtual lovers,” who exactly is falling head over heels for AI?

While exploring how AI provides emotional value, we also dive into the ethical risks of these companionship products. In 2024, buzzy startup Character.ai faced multiple lawsuits, with lawyers accusing its chatbots of generating suicidal content in conversations with minors. So, where do we draw the line for AI companionship? And what should we make of the genuine feelings we develop in these digital relationships?

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Mayday 五月天 回到那一天 25週年巡迴演唱會

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老司机有多喜欢开车，新手司机就有多头疼，然而在人工智能时代，这些考量好像都要翻篇了。这一期新新人类播客，我们聊了聊自动驾驶，从Waymo在旧金山停车场半夜鸣笛开会，到Cruise的高楼起了又塌，自动驾驶从科幻照进现实的路比过山车还要此起彼伏。

这一期主播安蕤请假，代班的嘉宾是曾在某自动驾驶企业工作过的托尼。托尼给我们分享了他的行业内部视角和丰富的无人驾驶出租车乘坐经验，最关键的是，他提出来一个至关重要的问题：

Some people love driving; others find it a nightmare. But in the age of AI, that whole debate might soon be irrelevant. In this episode of Pixel Perfect, we dive into the world of autonomous driving. From Waymo’s cars honking at each other in a San Francisco parking lot at midnight to Cruise’s meteoric rise and equally dramatic crash, the journey of autonomous driving tech has been nothing short of a rollercoaster.

Our usual host, Anrui, is on leave this episode, so stepping in is guest host Tony, who has firsthand experience working at a self-driving company. Not only does he bring an insider’s perspective and a wealth of robotaxi ride stories, but he also asks the million-dollar question: Why do human drivers feel zero guilt when aggressively cutting off robotaxis on the road?

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新新人类紧急召集！🎶各种颜色的皮肤，各种颜色的头发，嘴里念的说的开始流行中国话🎵 谁能料到，由于TikTok可能会被美国封禁，上百万的“洋抖难民”突然涌入小红书，一周之内完全改变了小红书的内容和用户生态。有的中国用户积极帮忙翻译，有的中国创作者利用这个机会吸了一波粉，但也有不少人在吐槽外国人的受欢迎程度或者小红书一夜变味的观感。

不少听众朋友们都希望我们来聊聊这个现象，因此我们紧急录制了第六期播客，想探讨为什么是小红书在这一刻承接住了泼天的流量，为什么这种突发的、充满了不确定性的中美交流让我们更加怀念互联网1.0时代，以及小红书这样的好日子还能过多久。我们请到了隔壁《大波福娃》播客的主播小苕串台，作为一个在小红书兼职营业的创作者，聊聊她亲身经历的这个“亿洋迁徙”时刻。

Who could have guessed? With the looming possibility of TikTok getting banned in the U.S., millions of “TikTok refugees” have suddenly flooded Xiaohongshu, completely transforming its content ecosystem in just a week. Some Chinese users are helping with translations, while local creators are seizing the opportunity to rake in new followers. Yet, plenty of others are grumbling about how popular the newcomers are—or lamenting how Xiaohongshu feels so “off” overnight.

Many of our listeners have asked us to unpack this phenomenon, so we rushed to record episode 06. We’re diving into why Xiaohongshu became the go-to platform for TikTok refugees, how such unpredictable events make us nostalgic for the Internet 1.0 era, and just how long Xiaohongshu can sustain its virality. We’ve invited Shao, host of the Dat Beauvoir podcast and a part-time creator on Xiaohongshu herself, to join us and share her firsthand experience of this epic TikTok exile to Xiaohongshu.

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15:18 小红书官方对这个意外事件的反应

20:02 TT难民为什么选择来到小红书而不是Instagram、Lemon8、抖音

37:08 如何理解小红书原生用户对外国人的不满情绪

44:46 外国“老嫂子”在小红书迅速找准定位

50:20 难得的互联网“真人味儿” wholesome 时刻

54:13 接下来故事怎么收尾？难民会留在小红书吗？

15:18 Xiaohongshu’s official reaction to the unexpected development

20:02 Why did these “TikTok refugees” choose Xiaohongshu instead of Instagram, Lemon8, or Douyin?

37:08 Unpacking the grievances from Chinese users of Xiaohongshu

44:46 How a foreigner immediately found his niche on the platform

50:20 The rare, wholesome, genuine internet moment that is now

54:13 How will the story end? Will the refugees stay?

【我们是谁 Who We Are】

新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。

马修：一个网瘾晚期的全职养猫人

杜安蕤：一个想当裁缝的科技/文化撰稿人

一闻：一个对地铁比手机更上瘾的记者

小苕：一颗泛薯类，最近的自我认同是夜市上的旋风大土豆，《大波福娃》主播

【拓展链接 The Links】

小红书用户：大牙 中国红脖(BigTooth)，@Daya_Redneck

小红书用户：Joey，@Joeynoble

美国记者Ryan Broderick对TT难民为什么选中小红书的考证：https://www.garbageday.email/p/america-s-youth-longs-for-chinese-e-commerce

《今生缘》在TT是怎么火起来的：https://www.whatsonweibo.com/the-chinese-viral-tiktok-song-explained-no-its-not-about-samsung/

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