Christianity After Deconstruction: Cabernet and Pray

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Christianity After Deconstruction: Cabernet and Pray episodes

December 03, 2025The Root and the Fruit (with David Hayward) | Ep. 61
What if the faith you inherited isn’t the faith you actually want to keep? In this episode, I sit down with David Hayward—yes, the Naked Pastor himself—to talk about the root systems beneath our beliefs, the fruit they produce in real life, and why so many of us feel torn between what we were handed and what we’re becoming. If you’ve ever wondered whether God can survive your questions… or if your questions might actually be the doorway into something truer… this conversation is going to hit you right where you live.
Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/MmrIOoNqD98
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Links:
www.nakedpastor.com
www.instagram.com/nakedpastor
1 hr 28 min
November 19, 2025Between the Pulpit and the Pub (with Gavin Linderman) | Ep. 60
What happens when a pastor decides the real mission field isn’t inside the church walls… but somewhere between the pulpit and the pub? In this episode, Gavin Linderman and I dive into the beautifully messy overlap of Anabaptist theology, creativity, and craft beverages. We talk about churches that accidentally turn coffee shops into Christian bookstores with bad espresso, bars that become modern monasteries, and the wild idea that the best conversations about Jesus might happen over a pint rather than in a pew.
Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/90M13BPuL4A
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Links:
www.projectbanquet.com
www.axiomchurchaz.com
www.thecreatecommission.org
1 hr 35 min
November 05, 2025A Beautiful Year (with Diana Butler Bass) | Ep. 59
What if beauty isn’t something we chase, but something that’s been waiting for us all along? In this episode of Cabernet & Pray, we sit down with author and theologian Diana Butler Bass to talk about what it means to truly live a beautiful year. We discuss how joy, grief, and gratitude can all coexist at the same table. We explore what happens when faith stops being a checklist and starts becoming an experience of wonder again.
Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/YAd73fCJCoU
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Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in
Links:
Diana's new book: https://amzn.to/3LmL6Er
Diana's Substack: https://dianabutlerbass.substack.com/
1 hr 31 min
October 22, 2025Separation of Church and Hate (with John Fugelsang) | Ep. 58
What happens when Christianity gets weaponized for political gain? When culture wars hijack the gospel of love? In this episode, we unpack John Fugelsang's book, Separation of Church and Hate, exploring why following Jesus might actually mean breaking up with some forms of Christianity. Pour a glass, lean in, and let’s talk about what it really means to love God and neighbor in an age of outrage.
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Links:
Get John's book: https://amzn.to/4qnnyiD
John's podcast: https://www.johnfugelsang.com/podcast
John on Substack: https://johnfugelsang.substack.com/
1 hr 4 min
October 08, 2025 Bonhoeffer, Hitler, and Christian Nonviolence: The Fellowship of Guilt | Ep. 57
What if doing the right thing still made you guilty? Dietrich Bonhoeffer believed that following Jesus sometimes meant stepping straight into the mess—into what he called “the fellowship of guilt.” But was he right? In this episode, we grapple with one of the most challenging ethical questions in the Christian narrative: Can faithfulness ever necessitate breaking the rules?
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Trying to make sense of faith? There's something better waiting for you. Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in
29 min
September 24, 2025Hell Bent (with Brian Recker) | Ep. 56
What happens when Christians start rethinking the very idea of hell? In this episode of Cabernet and Pray, we sit down with Brian Recker to ask the questions many of us were told we weren’t allowed to ask. Is hell really eternal conscious torment? What about annihilation? Could universalism actually be more faithful to Jesus? And how do history, culture, and scripture all play into the pictures we’ve inherited? We pour a glass of wine, get honest about our doubts, and wrestle with what kind of God we actually believe in. If good theology is theology that looks like Jesus, then what does that mean for our view of hell? If you’ve ever felt the tension between fear-based religion and the radical love of Jesus, this conversation might be the permission you’ve been waiting for. Want to find out why so many Christians are hell-bent on rethinking hell? Listen in.
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Trying to make sense of faith? There's something better waiting for you. Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in
Links:
Order Brian's book: Hell Bent
Brian on Substack
Brian on Instagram
1 hr 24 min
September 10, 2025Downsizing Evangelicalism (with Michelle Van Loon) | Ep. 55
What if the shrinking of evangelicalism isn’t a crisis to be feared but an opportunity to rediscover something truer, leaner, and more like Jesus? In this episode, I sit down with author Michelle Van Loon to talk about what’s being lost, what’s worth keeping, and why smaller might actually be better for the future of faith. Grab a glass, pull up a chair, and join us as we explore how downsizing could make room for growth that actually matters.
Click here to watch it on video.
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Trying to make sense of faith? There's something better waiting for you. Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in
Links:
Michelle's book Downsizing
Michelle's website: michellevanloon.com
Michelle's Substack: substack.com/@michellevanloon
1 hr 1 min
August 27, 2025 Learning to Change Your Mind: The Water Had Not Yet Turned into Wine | Ep. 54
What if you’re not the same person you used to be—and that’s exactly the point? In this episode, I explore the strange and beautiful truth that growth requires us to let old versions of ourselves fade away, like water waiting to be turned into wine. From awkward past opinions (yes, I found some of mine in print!) to Taylor Swift lyrics and even a little wisdom from Brian Zahnd and Rob Bell, we’ll talk about what it means to thank yesterday’s “you” and make space for tomorrow’s.
Click here to watch the episode on video.
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Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in
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36 min
August 13, 2025Reviving the Golden Rule (with Andrew DeCort) | Ep. 53
In this episode, we dig into why the most famous command in Christianity has become more of a coffee mug slogan than an actual way of life. We’ll explore how we’ve domesticated Jesus’ radical ethic into something polite and toothless… and what it would take to bring its wild, world-flipping power back. We’ll look at what happens when faith stops being about certainty and starts being about curiosity. Pour a glass, pull up a chair, and let’s talk about how to actually live the thing Jesus said was the point all along.
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Links:
https://amzn.to/4ouvZbf - Preorder "Reviving the Golden Rule"
andrew-decort.com - Andrew's newsletter
iffglobal.org - learn more about Andrew's work
andrewdecort.substack.com - Andrew's series "Reframe"
1 hr 36 min
July 30, 2025 The Myth of Redemptive Violence: The Good News About Evil | Ep. 52
What if evil is never as strong as it seems? In this episode of Cabernet and Pray, we wade into the heaviness of the world (child trafficking, genocide, injustice) and wrestle with what it means to have hope in the face of it. We explore a surprising biblical theme that runs throughout the Psalms and the prophets. We consider Bonhoeffer’s call to jam a spoke in the wheel, Brueggemann’s reminder that tyrants fear artists, and the unexpected spiritual significance of South Park.
Click here to watch the episode on video.
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Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in
31 min

About Christianity After Deconstruction: Cabernet and Pray

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Cabernet and Pray is a podcast for people who still have questions about Jesus but have complicated feelings about the church and Christianity. Hosted by Jeremy Jernigan (a recovering megachurch pastor), each episode pairs a glass of wine with honest conversations about the Bible, deconstruction, reconstruction, and what it means to explore faith outside of the boundaries of the theological mainstream. If you've ever felt like your doubts disqualified you, or you've wondered whether there's a version of Christianity that can hold your questions without flinching, then you've found your people.