Christianity After Deconstruction: Cabernet and Pray

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Christianity After Deconstruction: Cabernet and Pray episodes

July 16, 2025 Shame-Sex Attraction (with Lucas Wilson) | Ep. 51
What if we told the stories the church has tried to bury? In Episode 51 of Cabernet and Pray, I sit down with Lucas Wilson—academic, editor of Shame-Sex Attraction, and survivor. We dive into the sobering realities of conversion therapy, explore the toxic cocktail of shame and theology, and examine how fear—especially the fear of hell—is weaponized to cause unimaginable harm. Lucas brings a mix of wit, candor, and charm to one of the hardest conversations the church needs to have. If you’ve ever wondered how the church got this so wrong (and how we can start making it right), this one’s for you.
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1 hr 22 min
July 02, 2025 What Makes a Nation Christian? | Ep. 50
Is America a Christian nation? In this bold milestone episode of Cabernet and Pray, we take a hard look at Jesus’ own criteria for judging nations from Matthew 25. Spoiler: Jesus doesn’t mention Supreme Court rulings, Ten Commandments in schools, or how many evangelicals show up to vote. He talks about the poor, the immigrant, the sick, and the prisoner. This episode might make you uncomfortable. It might make you angry. But it just might make you see Jesus more clearly. And that’s the whole point. Grab a glass and join us at the intersection of wine, politics, and the Kingdom of God.
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34 min
June 18, 2025 The Cosmic Christ and Concrete Jesus (with Kevin Sweeney) | Ep. 49
What if there’s more to Jesus than the guy in sandals from Nazareth? In this episode, Kevin Sweeney returns to dive into the deep end of the theological pool—exploring the radical beauty of the Cosmic Christ and the liberating call of the Concrete Jesus. It’s the episode where mysticism meets justice, the black prophetic tradition meets the mystics, and we explore how to resist the “abstract white Jesus.”
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1 hr 14 min
June 04, 2025 The Paradox of Tolerance: When Is Exclusion Christlike? | Ep. 48
What if loving your neighbor means confronting someone else? In this episode, Jeremy takes a deep dive into a misunderstood (and rarely discussed) concept in Christian ethics: the paradox of tolerance. What happens when hospitality toward one becomes hostility toward others? And what if Jesus intentionally excluded people... for the sake of the vulnerable?
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31 min
May 21, 2025 Rethinking and Rebuilding (with Josh Patterson) | Ep. 47
Ever wondered what happens when two theologically curious podcast hosts bring their shows together over a glass of wine? Episode 47 is part divine disruption, part spiritual therapy session, and 100% a good time. Jeremy Jernigan sits down with Josh Patterson of Rethinking Faith to talk about reconstructing theology, open and relational views of God, and why some former pastors become bartenders. This episode is an unfiltered swirl of laughter, wisdom, and spicy takes on hell, omnipotence, and what we do after leaving church leadership.
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1 hr 50 min
May 07, 2025 Theology with Imagination (with Brian Zahnd) | Ep. 46
What happens when one of the most provocative theological voices of our time sits down with a glass of wine and reimagines everything? In this episode, Jeremy talks with Brian Zahnd about peacemaking, the prophetic role of the church, why evangelicalism may not recover, and what happens when we start to believe Jesus actually meant what he said. It’s bold, it’s challenging, and it’s full of grace. Plus, there are a few surprises, like pipe collecting and Scotch favorites. Whether you're curious, skeptical, or just thirsty for better conversations about faith, this one’s for you.
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1 hr 13 min
April 23, 2025 Curiosity and Poor Eyesight | Ep. 45
What if the only thing separating you from deeper faith… is your doubt?
In this episode, we uncork the connection between spiritual curiosity and our inability to see clearly — and why that’s not a flaw, but a feature of real theology. Jesus doesn’t demand certainty. He invites wonder.
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31 min
April 09, 2025Queer and Christian (with Brandan Robertson) | Ep. 44
This week, we’re uncorking a bold conversation that challenges assumptions, celebrates authenticity, and dives into the complexity of faith and identity. What does it mean to be queer and Christian? You’ll hear personal journeys, tough questions, unexpected grace, and the beauty of holding space for queerness in spirituality. Whether you're in the pews or at Pride, this one’s for you.
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Wines in this episode:
2020 Paso Ranches Zinfandel
Sonoma-Cutrer Chardonnay Sonoma Coast
Links:
Official site: www.brandanrobertson.com
Pre-order Queer and Christian: www.queerchristian.org
Podcast: The Queer & Christian Podcast – streaming on all major platforms
58 min
March 24, 2025#43: What's the Deal with Hell?
Are there different ways to understand hell in Christianity? In this thought-provoking episode, Jeremy tackles one of the most challenging theological concepts that many struggle with. If you've ever questioned traditional teachings about eternal punishment or wondered if there are other interpretations supported by scripture, this episode offers a refreshing perspective that might completely transform your understanding of Christianity.
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Key Points:
Three Historical Christian Views of Hell:
Infernalism/Eternal Conscious Torment: The traditional view where non-believers suffer eternally in hell.
Annihilationism: Those who reject God cease to exist after death (also called "soul sleep").
Christian Universalism: Jesus will ultimately save everyone, though some may go through a refining process after death.
Principles for Considering Hell:
Good theology should look like Jesus
Our view should reflect all New Testament writers
Christians should have humility about who is "in" or "out"
Your view of hell is not an essential part of Christianity
Fear of hell is a cheap motivator to follow Jesus
Biblical Foundation: The episode references 1 John 4:16 (perfect love casts out fear) and Romans 2:4 (God's kindness leads to repentance) to establish that God motivates through love, not fear.
Wine Featured:
2019 Sequoia Grove Cabernet Sauvignon (Napa Valley) with distinctive herbaceous notes (bell pepper, jalapeño) followed by secondary cherry and red fruit flavors.
Recommended Reading:
"Her Gates Will Never Be Shut" by Brad Jersak
"That All Shall Be Saved" by David Bentley Hart
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46 min
March 10, 2025#42: The Spirituality of Wine (with Gisela Kreglinger)
What if drinking wine was more than just a pleasure—it was a spiritual practice? In this episode, we sit down with theologian and wine expert Gisela Kreglinger to explore the deep connections between wine, faith, and community. Growing up in a German winery, Gisela brings a unique perspective on how wine shapes our conversations, our celebrations, and even our theology. From the role of wine in biblical times to the way it fosters deeper human connection today, this episode will challenge the way you think about your next glass.
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Key Points:
Meet Gisela Kreglinger: Theologian, author, and wine expert who grew up on a German winery.
Wine as a Spiritual Practice: Wine isn't just for drinking—it can shape conversations, enhance meals, and even act as a form of prayer.
Biblical Roots of Wine: Exploring wine’s significance in Scripture, including the Passover tradition of four cups of wine, Noah’s vineyard, and Jesus’ first miracle at the Wedding of Cana.
Cultural Differences in Wine Consumption: How European wine traditions differ from America’s relationship with alcohol and why that matters.
Holy Tipsiness: The fine line between drinking as an act of joy and overindulgence.
Reclaiming Wine in Christian Practice: How churches have distanced themselves from wine and why Gisela believes it’s time to restore its sacred role.
Wines in This Episode:
🍷 2020 Coastline Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon (Paso Robles, California) – A fruit-forward yet balanced cab with notes of blackberry, pipe tobacco, and wet gravel.
🍷 Moulin-à-Vent from the Dichon family (Beaujolais, France) – A full-bodied Gamay with rich complexity, imported by Kermit Lynch.
Final Thoughts:
This episode isn’t just for wine lovers—it’s for anyone interested in the intersection of faith, culture, and connection. Whether you’re a casual drinker or a wine aficionado, Gisela’s insights will make you rethink the way you experience wine.
Listen now and join the conversation! 🍇🍷
Links:
The Spirituality of Wine
The Soul of Wine
Cup Overflowing
Wine in the Word
Gisela's website
Gisela on Instagram
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1 hr 8 min

About Christianity After Deconstruction: Cabernet and Pray

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Cabernet and Pray is a podcast for people who still have questions about Jesus but have complicated feelings about the church and Christianity. Hosted by Jeremy Jernigan (a recovering megachurch pastor), each episode pairs a glass of wine with honest conversations about the Bible, deconstruction, reconstruction, and what it means to explore faith outside of the boundaries of the theological mainstream. If you've ever felt like your doubts disqualified you, or you've wondered whether there's a version of Christianity that can hold your questions without flinching, then you've found your people.