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In this episode of Disordered, Drew and Josh tackle one of the most frightening anxiety symptoms: air hunger - that terrifying feeling that you can't get a deep enough breath or fully fill your lungs.

Drew and Josh draw from both their clinical expertise and personal recovery experiences to explain why this sensation happens, why trying to "fix" your breathing often makes things worse, and how the compulsive need to control your breath can actually create the problem you're trying to solve.

They explore how air hunger connects to stress, anxiety disorders, and OCD, discussing why breathing techniques and breath work - while potentially helpful for general stress - can become problematic compulsions when you're dealing with disordered anxiety. The hosts emphasize a key principle: there's a critical difference between feeling like you can't breathe and actually not being able to breathe.

The episode includes inspiring "Did It Anyway" stories from listeners who faced their fears - from pushing through panic during a music gig, to driving 40 minutes despite intense anxiety, to confronting her OCD fears, and a transformation from being unable to stay in a room alone to enjoying solo time at home.

Drew and Josh offer practical guidance rooted in acceptance-based approaches: get out of your own way, let your body regulate itself naturally, and resist the urge to constantly check, control, or perfect your breathing. As they remind listeners, your body has successfully kept you breathing your entire life - it doesn't need micromanagement now.

Topics covered:

• What air hunger is and why it happens
• The connection between stress, anxiety, and breathing sensations
• Why breathing techniques can become compulsions
• The role of interoceptive exposure in treatment
• How to respond when you notice air hunger (hint: not by trying to control it)
• Why sleep proves your body knows how to breathe on its own

Whether you're experiencing air hunger yourself or supporting someone who is, this episode offers a compassionate, reality-based approach to one of anxiety's most unsettling symptoms.

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One of the most common questions we hear from people working through anxiety disorders and OCD is: "How long is this going to take?" In this episode, Drew and Josh tackle the timeline question head-on—but probably not in the way you're expecting.

We explore why asking "how long until I recover?" might be the wrong question, and why shifting to "how long until I'm desensitized?" can be a game-changer in how you approach your anxiety journey. We discuss the reality that there's no universal timeline, no magic number of weeks, and why that's actually okay.

In this episode:

• Why the concept of "recovery" as a finish line may not be helpful for anxiety disorders
• The difference between recovery and desensitization
• How urgency and pressure can actually slow your progress
• Why some people seem to progress faster than others (and why that doesn't matter)
• The role of self-compassion, patience, and realistic expectations
• Why hard days are a normal part of the process—even after significant progress
• How perfectionism and the need for certainty can keep you stuck

We also share inspiring "Did It Anyway" stories from listeners who are moving forward with their lives—traveling, attending events, and even jumping into mosh pits—alongside their anxiety, not waiting for it to disappear first.

Whether you're struggling with panic disorder, agoraphobia, OCD, health anxiety, or other anxiety disorders, this episode offers a realistic, compassionate perspective on what it means to make progress and why the journey looks different for everyone.

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Can your focus on getting better actually make things worse? In this episode, we explore what happens when the recovery process itself becomes an obsession - coining the term "Recovery OCD" to describe the fixation many people develop around their anxiety recovery journey.

We dig into the counterintuitive reality that constantly checking "Am I recovered yet?" or "Am I doing this right?" can actually signal to your brain that anxiety is still something urgent and important to monitor. When recovery becomes the thing you're obsessing about, complete with checking behaviors, rumination, and compulsive information-seeking, you may have fallen into this particular trap.

What we cover:

• The obsessive-compulsive patterns that can emerge around recovery
• Why asking "Am I recovered?" might mean you've answered your own question
• How metrics and comparisons can feed the recovery obsession
• The difference between recovery as a state versus recovery as function
• Why uncertainty tolerance is the real skill being developed
• Practical ways to recognize when you've become obsessed with recovery itself

Key insights:

• Recovery isn't about reaching a perfect state - it's about building distress tolerance skills
• The more you fixate on recovery, the more you're teaching your brain that anxiety matters
• Real progress often looks boring and unmeasurable
• Sometimes the question "Am I recovered?" isn't the right question to ask

We also share inspiring "Did It Anyway" stories from listeners who demonstrate what it really looks like to move forward while uncertain, anxious, and imperfect - including someone who performed on stage despite a massive adrenaline flood and another who went to a Pokemon card convention while experiencing depersonalization.

This episode challenges common assumptions about what recovery should look and feel like, offering a more realistic and sustainable approach to anxiety recovery that doesn't require constant self-monitoring or perfect emotional states.

The content in this episode aligns with evidence-based, third-wave therapeutic approaches including Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) and mindfulness-based treatments for anxiety disorders.

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How do you handle anxiety when the news feels overwhelming? 

With constant exposure to current events, political tensions, and global crises through social media and traditional news sources, it's no wonder many people with anxiety disorders find themselves struggling.

This week on Disordered we're talking about the complex relationship between news consumption and anxiety, discussing when avoidance might be helpful versus when it could be problematic. You'll hear about the difference between primary anxiety (normal human responses to disturbing events) and secondary anxiety (fear of your own internal experiences).

Key topics covered:

• Why we weren't designed for constant exposure to triggering content
• The nuanced difference between protecting your mental health and avoidance behaviors
• How news consumption can trigger OCD themes and intrusive thoughts
• The importance of metacognitive awareness in making decisions about news consumption
• Compassion fatigue and the reality of having finite emotional resources
• Practical strategies for finding balance in staying informed vs. protecting your wellbeing

Listener highlights:

• A powerful "Did It Anyway" story about overcoming religious scrupulosity OCD
• Another inspiring update about relationship OCD recovery
• A thoughtful question about wedding anxiety and planning major life events while managing panic disorder

Whether you're someone who doom-scrolls for hours or completely avoids the news, this episode offers a balanced, reality-based approach to navigating current events without letting anxiety make the decisions for you. We emphasize that there's no one-size-fits-all answer – it's about developing the awareness to know why you're making the choices you're making.

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Welcome to another inspiring round of "Did It Anyway" stories, where we celebrate real wins from our community members who chose to move forward despite their anxiety.

In this episode, Drew and Josh share powerful listener stories that illustrate a fundamental truth about anxiety recovery: you can take meaningful action even when you feel scared, uncertain, or overwhelmed. From someone driving to the gym after a panic attack at work, to a listener climbing a boulder wall despite intense fear, to another person attending a job interview while experiencing physical symptoms - these stories show what's possible when we stop waiting for anxiety to disappear before we live our lives.

You'll hear about:

• Breaking the pattern of retreating when anxiety shows up
• Navigating workplace anxiety while still showing up professionally
• Taking on new challenges like rock climbing and learning musical instruments
• Attending job interviews despite panic symptoms
• Managing health anxiety during an actual medical situation
• The difference between an "acceptable bubble" and true recovery

These aren't stories of people who suddenly felt better - they're accounts of individuals who learned they could be capable and engaged with their lives even when anxiety was present. Each story demonstrates core principles from acceptance-based approaches: willful tolerance of difficult emotions, psychological flexibility, and values-driven action.

Whether you're just starting your recovery journey or you've been working on anxiety for years, these real-world examples offer hope and practical inspiration. They remind us that recovery isn't about eliminating anxiety - it's about reclaiming your ability to do what matters to you, regardless of how you feel in the moment.

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In this essential episode, Drew and Josh are joined by Dr. Birthe Macdonald, a psychologist and neuroscience researcher who's become a vital voice in combating mental health misinformation on social media. The conversation tackles the overwhelming sea of questionable advice that anxious people encounter online, from vagus nerve stimulation devices to "nervous system regulation" quick fixes.

Dr. Macdonald shares her journey from neuroscience researcher to science communicator, sparked by sponsored ads for electrical vagus nerve stimulators that made bold claims without solid evidence. The trio explores why these pseudoscientific approaches are particularly appealing to people struggling with anxiety disorders – and why they can actually be harmful.

Key topics include:

• The dangerous appeal of "one thing" solutions that promise instant relief
• Why sponsored vagus nerve stimulation devices and similar products exploit vulnerable people
• How social media algorithms amplify misinformation while evidence-based content gets overlooked
• Red flags to watch for when consuming mental health content online
• The difference between what we know about how the brain works versus being able to "work" the brain directly
• Why ChatGPT and AI can become problematic reassurance-seeking tools for people with anxiety
• How to become a more critical consumer of pop psychology content

The conversation doesn't dismiss that some techniques may provide temporary relief, but emphasizes understanding why they work (often through distraction rather than magical nervous system manipulation) and recognizing when they become compulsive behaviors that maintain anxiety in the long run.

This episode serves as both a reality check and a guide for navigating the complex landscape of mental health information online, helping listeners distinguish between evidence-based approaches and appealing but potentially harmful quick fixes.

Find Birthe Online:

• https://www.instagram.com/dr.birthe.macdonald/
• https://www.birthemacdonald.com
• https://substack.com/@drbirthemacdonald

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In this episode, we explore how the language we use to describe our anxiety experiences can either fuel our struggles or support our recovery. We examine the difference between helpful and unhelpful ways of talking about panic attacks, intrusive thoughts, and anxiety symptoms.

We discuss why saying "it feels like I'm dying" versus "I'm experiencing intense physical sensations" can dramatically impact your recovery journey. We challenge common phrases like "sit with it," "just ignore it," and "regulate yourself," offering more accurate and useful alternatives.

We also address the importance of changing how others around you talk about your anxiety, and we introduce a memorable analogy: treating your anxiety disorder like an ex you're pretending to ignore at a party - acknowledging it's there without giving it center stage.

This episode features inspiring "Did it Anyway" stories from listeners who did what they didn't think they were cable of doing, along with the usual dose of humor.

We conclude with practical advice for responding to tinnitus-related anxiety, emphasizing how attention and resistance amplify symptoms, while acceptance allows the brain's natural filtering system to work.

Timestamps:

08:30 - Why "it feels like" is the most problematic phrase in anxiety recovery
16:45 - The difference between "soul-crushing panic attack" and "intense adrenaline rush"
23:45 - How compulsive commentary differs from detached awareness
28:15 - Why saying "just sit with it" can be misleading
32:20 - The "anxiety as your ex" analogy that will change how you think about ignoring symptoms
37:15 - Inspiring "Did it Anyway" story about grandparent anxiety recovery
38:45 - Comprehensive tinnitus and anxiety management advice

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In this episode, Josh and Drew tackle one of the most counterintuitive concepts in overcoming panic attacks: learning how to panic better, rather than trying to avoid panic altogether.

When facing a new job triggers familiar panic patterns, many people focus on preventing anxiety rather than developing a healthier relationship with it. Drew and Josh explore why "learning how to panic" is often the key to breaking free from panic disorder and agoraphobia.

Josh and Drew discuss the difference between panic attacks (the physical experience) and panic disorder (how we modify our lives to avoid those attacks). They challenge the common belief that panic attacks are disasters that must be prevented at all costs, instead suggesting that true recovery comes from accepting that panic might happen—and discovering that we can handle it.

• Why avoiding panic attacks keeps you stuck in the cycle
• The difference between learning "how to not panic" vs. "how to panic"
• Setting the right intention before challenging situations
• How catastrophic thinking creates unrealistic disaster scenarios
• The role of willful tolerance in anxiety recovery
• Addressing deeper fears about judgment and rejection at work

[03:45] - Josh and Drew introduce the concept: "This isn't about learning how to not panic. This is about getting better at panicking."

[11:30] - Drew challenges the core belief: "What would happen if I was wrong about that? What would happen if I'm wrong and I can actually handle having a panic attack at work?"

[18:30] - Josh on setting intentions: "I'm going to go and do this thing and see how well I can do whilst panicking."

[25:00] - Community win featuring someone who practiced "doing it anyway" during difficult existential thoughts

[30:10] - Success story: Concert attendance despite anxiety, demonstrating attention redirection techniques

[33:50] - Driving breakthrough story: Overcoming agoraphobia through gradual exposure and value-based action

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When you're struggling with anxiety disorders, you often do things that don't reflect who you really are - avoiding social gatherings, canceling plans, or making demands on loved ones that you normally wouldn't. As you start to recover, it's common to feel overwhelming guilt about how your anxiety affected the people around you.

In this episode, Drew and Josh explore the complex journey of self-forgiveness after anxiety recovery. They discuss why anxiety disorders can make people appear self-centered while emphasizing that the disorder isn't who you are as a person.

• Understanding that anxiety disorders are incredibly common and not your fault
• Why trying to achieve absolute certainty that you didn't hurt others keeps you stuck
• The difference between healthy regret and destructive self-criticism
• How to practice willful tolerance of difficult feelings like guilt and shame
• Why some people need to apologize while others don't - there's no universal approach
• Recognizing that feeling bad about past actions reflects your values, not your failures

[2:45] The Reality of Anxiety's Impact: Drew and Josh discuss how anxiety disorders make people do things against their nature and why this creates lasting guilt.

[6:50] You're Not Responsible for Having a Disorder: "We'd have to rent the city of Denver to fit all the people with panic disorder" - Drew explains why anxiety disorders are common medical conditions, not personal failures.

[12:15] The Impossible Standard: Why seeking absolute certainty that you never disappointed anyone is both unrealistic and counterproductive to healing.

[14:30] Drew's Personal Story: A vulnerable moment where Drew shares his ongoing regret about not visiting a dying friend, and why he doesn't want to "get over" this feeling completely.

[17:45] The Meta Problem: How the same tendency that creates anxiety disorders can turn against you when processing guilt about the past.

[27:40] Josh's Compassionate Reframe: "Would you rather be someone who doesn't feel bad when they act against their values?" - A powerful perspective on why guilt reflects your moral compass. 

This episode offers practical wisdom for anyone struggling with self-forgiveness while maintaining the hosts' signature balance of professional expertise and lived experience. Drew and Josh remind us that healing often means learning to sit with difficult feelings rather than trying to eliminate them entirely.

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When anxiety takes hold, one of the first casualties is our natural sense of wonder and openness to new experiences. In this episode of Disordered, lets explore how anxiety disorders systematically erode our curiosity about the world around us and our own capabilities.

Drew and Josh discuss how anxiety creates a rigid, self-focused mindset that asks only "How will this make me feel?" rather than "What might I discover?" They examine how this shift from external curiosity to internal fixation becomes a prison that keeps us stuck in patterns of avoidance and safety-seeking behaviors.

The hosts share practical strategies for rekindling curiosity as a pathway back to psychological flexibility, including:

• Asking "What would happen if..." instead of avoiding uncertainty
• Practicing willful tolerance while fostering genuine interest in experiences
• Using curiosity about the recovery process itself as a therapeutic tool
• Distinguishing between helpful curiosity and anxious rumination

Through inspiring listener stories, Drew and Josh demonstrate how curiosity can be gradually rebuilt, even during heightened anxiety states. They show how simple questions like "What just happened here?" and "What might I learn from this?" can begin to crack open the rigid thinking patterns that keep anxiety disorders alive.

This episode offers hope that the natural human capacity for wonder and exploration doesn't disappear with anxiety—it simply needs gentle cultivation and practice to flourish again.

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