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"I love to do things that will give me temporary comfort, that will make me very uncomfortable somewhere down the road."

A woman with 30+ years of sobriety shared this in Steve's Wednesday meeting, and it hit hard. Because that's exactly what drinking was - temporary relief that created long-term pain. But here's the real question: when you quit drinking, what are you actually missing?

In this episode, Matt and Steve dig into what happens when you remove alcohol but don't replace it with anything. Matt shares his painful 10-month white-knuckle attempt at sobriety back in 2001 - going to parties, feeling like hell, not drinking but not actually changing anything. It led exactly where you'd expect: relapse.

They explore the ritual of drinking - not just the buzz, but the physical act of holding a drink in a social setting, being part of the club, that first moment of "ahh, I got my drink" before things went sideways. And why ordering a tonic water with lime to "look like you're drinking" feels so uncomfortable and wrong.

Steve opens up about the difference between his first attempt at sobriety (physically beaten down) and his second (morally, spiritually, emotionally spent). How he realized he couldn't just replace alcohol with running 10 miles or hitting the gym seven days a week. He needed something internal to change - which is where the 12 steps came in.

We talk about:

• Why white-knuckling doesn't work (and what actually does)
• The ritual you lose when you stop drinking - and what replaces it
• Steps 4 & 5 as the real game-changers (not just Steps 1-3)
• Transferable addictions: when is the gym healthy and when does it become destructive?
• That uncomfortable feeling of being the only one not drinking (and when it finally goes away)
• The difference between missing alcohol and missing the escape it provided

Plus: Why Steve now happily orders his wife a glass of wine without needing to order himself anything, Matt's take on why mocktails feel like "perverted versions of alcohol," and the relief that comes from replacing the bar ritual with the breakfast ritual.

If you've ever tried to quit drinking on your own and couldn't make it stick, or if you're wondering what the hell you're supposed to DO when you're not drinking anymore, this episode is for you.

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