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Continuing her journey around the Enneagram, Katie talks to Meaghan, a freelance American Sign Language interpreter who loves traveling, new restaurants, and advocating for the deaf community.

We talk about the difference between anger and rage, how your childhood environment sticks with you, and get into some differences between 6 and 8.