For the full interview with Today and Josiah go : HERE

Jeff sits down with Cody Harris and Josiah Goff, hosts of the Enneagram Five Podcast, to explore the inner world of Fives—especially male Fives who rarely get this kind of airtime.

Cody and Josiah talk about deconstruction, neurodivergence, learning to actually feel emotions instead of just analyzing them, and how their podcast slowly moved from “transparent” (talking about past struggles) to truly “vulnerable” (naming what they’re in the middle of right now).

If you love a Five, are a Five, or have ever wondered what’s really going on behind that stoic exterior, this one will give you language, stories, and a whole lot of compassion for the Five experience.