In this special episode - recorded during their final trip before becoming parents - Ben and Vanessa join Melissa for a heartfelt conversation about their unforgettable time together at Intelligent Change in Ibiza. Ben and Vanessa open up about their path from a Hinge match to true love. Vanessa shares how shifting her mindset and letting go of ego and expectations, allowed her to approach dating with more openness and curiosity. Meanwhile, Ben came in with bold, undeniable energy from the start. As one of Melissa’s favorite couples and love stories, their connection is both inspiring and deeply moving. Together, they explore the dynamics of masculine and feminine polarity, the importance of emotional safety, and how a powerful medicine-led experience helped Vanessa unlock her heart. The conversation also delves into the idea of the “pain body” and how past wounds can shape the way we give and receive love.

Listen to Ben’s first episode, here! 

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