Steve talks with Mark Sayers about Systems Theory, leading with Bipolar and his upcoming book ‘Non Anxious Presence.’ 

Mark is the senior leader of Red Church in Melbourne, Australia. He is passionate about spiritual renewal and the future of the church. Mark is the author of a number of books including Strange Days and Reappearing Church.  Mark lives in Melbourne with his wife, Trudi, his daughter, Grace, and twin boys, Hudson and Billy.

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