We often expect separation to be marked by conflict and disconnection - but what if it didn’t have to be that way?

In this heartwarming and honest episode of The Separation Guide podcast, psychologist and host Sabina Read sits down with Jane and Matt Martino - former partners who chose a different path. Married for 12 years and separated for eight, they share how they put the needs of their three boys at the centre of every decision, even when it wasn’t easy.

From co-parenting holidays and family dinners to welcoming new partners into the fold, Jane and Matt have redefined what it means to be a family post-divorce. Their story is a testament to the power of communication, intention, and mutual respect.

Whether you're navigating your own separation or supporting someone who is, this conversation is a beautiful reminder that breaking up well is possible - and that love and laughter can still live in the space where marriage once did.